fao Straef

[Straef]

hehe...very very well put
They all zerg and killed in a non fair fight. We all have. I didnt think it was anything to be ashamed of until the "do gooders" came and pointed it all out to us. We all know now And it feels expecially nice that the ones preaching it are mostly high rrs that all did same cause they couldnt kill anything higher themself when they were same rr. You have to search for a bigger hypocrosy tbh....so we shouldnt be suprised whats coming from those mouhths now. its all expected

How do you think we got high rr? I've played this game for well over three years, mainly focussing on one character and trying to get better at my character aswell as to group other better players, and I'm actually low rr compared to other people who played as long as I have or even for a lesser period.
The funny thing is that at a higher lvl you get more abilities and it gets more interesting to test your strength against other good groups rather than fighting a bunch of low rr zerging players. Coming from that reply I assume that you haven't done all too well in fg's, let alone had the chance to play in a decent fg, because when doing well, it's just a lot more fun.

It's this topic again. Straef is a damn RP horny graveyard camper, don't let it get too much into you if you have the desire to have some of his RPs.

I can understand it.

Oh, you mean me _roaming_ and actually passing by the graveyard? Or is that some kind of hilarious Manisch Funny, in which you pretend to take the piss out of me while actually mocking your own villa camping days, which, if my memory serves me right, lasted until iRvR moved away from HW. I'm fairly sure that in the last month or two, or however long we've been running in rvr, my group spent more time roaming in those three days a week than yours did ever since you started. And hey, our sorc actually demezzes =D
And what happened to me being on /ignore, got bored?

 

[ebenezer]

You're comparing totally different things there. You're comparing a fg picking a fight with one on three odds, with some other people ruining a fg's fight.
It is generally not ok for fg's to kill soloers and such, and a lot of fg's don't kill them if it can be helped. If it were a typical thing for people to fight 2fg-2fg or 3fg-3fg it would be a bad thing to interrupt the brehon zerg, but it isn't a common thing. How often do you see large fights with fair numbers on both sides? Not very often. In a fg-fg fight, however, it's 8-8, which is fair, which would be ruined when added on.

intresting....and if one of the groups are rr 3 and other rr10?
And one of the groups are opted and the other group is not?
Or if one of the group have ts and other not?
or if the other group use radar and the other not?

see....these are all factors as well as many others you have to take into account....or a fair fight isnt a fair fight So please get back to all of us when you have figured out a good way of deciding all that in the heat of battle and before anyone make their move...
Or who made up the "rules" for whats fair? You?...some other guy from game....ahhh..cause i doubt its the whole comunity or the designers who did.
over and out....

 

[ebenezer]

How do you think we got high rr? I've played this game for well over three years, mainly focussing on one character and trying to get better at my character aswell as to group other better players, and I'm actually low rr compared to other people who played as long as I have or even for a lesser period.
The funny thing is that at a higher lvl you get more abilities and it gets more interesting to test your strength against other good groups rather than fighting a bunch of low rr zerging players. Coming from that reply I assume that you haven't done all too well in fg's, let alone had the chance to play in a decent fg, because when doing well, it's just a lot more fun.


Now thats just it I have never been intrested to hurry to a high rr. I never choose to search for a rvr guild cause that is not my idea of fun in this game. My first choise would be to search after people i like....or stay with people i found in game and liked.i know that might sound strange to you...since i know many people that dont have time for that kinda gameplay when they wanna obtain high rr. If that means me and they have some good rvr...fine, thats one of the thrills of the game. And though i dont have a high rr i get the same thrills from rvring with my lower characters.(believe it or not)
I find myself testing myself against higher rr people everyday...be it solo or in group, me and my friends are always(except facing lower rrs) testing our strength against higher numbers or people higher in rr then us. many times we loose...many times its frustrating. Do i whine over it...do i even sometimes check who killed me? No..cause i dont care who why what killed me and how could he? etc etc...whats important did i have fun with the guys i played with? ok i did..good cause thats what important or i wouldnt stay in this game.
And to the thing you said about high rr...
its not unfortunatly a coincedence in this game that most of the people that whine is high rr, cause it seems like most that obtained the very high rr plays for totally different reasons that others. They seek out the best guild for rvr....they only rvr if possible and they suddenly change when they obtained the high rank. I have seen it...oh yes. I have played this game almost from release and seen so many players suck up and crawl to get their templates done....and zerg and kill whatever comes their way to finally obtain their desired rank. And then Poff the change comes....they suddenly dont need the rest of the realm cause they have their template...they dont need to socialize anymore. Then they get amnesia and cant remember their "work" to get there or how they did it. Then what they did is called "soloing " or fg vs fg " fights to get were they are today..and they cannot for the love of god lput themself into the lower rrs position, cause thats not what the game is about for them anymore...its just the competition that counts,,,

aint that funny?

I know a few high rrs to this day that i know have stayed with the people they like or have maintained their usuall self and not changed.
and thats a bit scary...

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

graveyard camping?

oh you mean helping the grp you was playing with last night whenever you had 2+ fg adding ?

been called again rp whore myself, so dont mind, but you shouldnt talk about rp whoreness tbh xd

Doh . Don't take my nonsense personal, all I wanted to say was that the graveyard was crowded and when most go to there and don't try to go to elsewhere for longer than a minute, much of this discussion here is just not needed.

 

[Straef]

intresting....and if one of the groups are rr 3 and other rr10?
And one of the groups are opted and the other group is not?
Or if one of the group have ts and other not?
or if the other group use radar and the other not?

see....these are all factors as well as many others you have to take into account....or a fair fight isnt a fair fight So please get back to all of us when you have figured out a good way of deciding all that in the heat of battle and before anyone make their move...
Or who made up the "rules" for whats fair? You?...some other guy from game....ahhh..cause i doubt its the whole comunity or the designers who did.
over and out....

Here's your good way: Don't add unless asked to. If you run by a fight, and someone is in help and asking you to help them, go ahead, but if they're just fighting and they don't ask for anything, keep walking. However clever your reply might have seemed to yourself, it isn't. Any self-respecting group uses a voicecom, and even a great number of pug's does the same and a rr3 can perform just as well as a rr10 group if they're all geared up and know how to play. Sure, they may lack some essential ra's, but I've seen it happen. That hib group wearing all grey in example.

 

[Entran]

well the post about doing well in FGs being more fun is just bullshit imo.

I regularly run with high RR FGs and i still find duoing/trioing with good mates much more fun.

So its a bit lame to try and tell ebe that hes crap cus he doesnt rvr the way you do. If someone is having fun whats the problem ? just cus they dont run in l337 madskillz rox0rz j00r b0x0rz groups doesnt mean they suck.

as for adding.. i never add but shit happens.

 

[Straef]

Now thats just it I have never been intrested to hurry to a high rr. I never choose to search for a rvr guild cause that is not my idea of fun in this game. My first choise would be to search after people i like....or stay with people i found in game and liked.i know that might sound strange to you...since i know many people that dont have time for that kinda gameplay when they wanna obtain high rr. If that means me and they have some good rvr...fine, thats one of the thrills of the game. And though i dont have a high rr i get the same thrills from rvring with my lower characters.(believe it or not)

You seem to think I was born 'high rr', or that I've never been in a pve-orientated guild, which is silly. I used to join guilds because I knew/liked people in them, but after a while I got to know people in more than one guild (funnily enough) and joining guilds over friends didn't work out quite well, so I joined guilds with similar interests rather than friends, which worked out just fine. I've been in 10-20 different guilds, and I've been low rr on a number of characters, so don't think I skipped all that ;p And in case you were wondering, I prefer winning fights and making big amounts of rps over playing with friends, as you can get rps and chat at the same time, so why shouldn't I? ;p

I find myself testing myself against higher rr people everyday...be it solo or in group, me and my friends are always(except facing lower rrs) testing our strength against higher numbers or people higher in rr then us. many times we loose...many times its frustrating. Do i whine over it...do i even sometimes check who killed me? No..cause i dont care who why what killed me and how could he? etc etc...whats important did i have fun with the guys i played with? ok i did..good cause thats what important or i wouldnt stay in this game.

Winning, and getting good close fights are part of the fun, which is being taken away by the zerglings, and I thus whine because I could've had more fun than I did ;p

And to the thing you said about high rr...
its not unfortunatly a coincedence in this game that most of the people that whine is high rr, cause it seems like most that obtained the very high rr plays for totally different reasons that others. They seek out the best guild for rvr....they only rvr if possible and they suddenly change when they obtained the high rank. I have seen it...oh yes. I have played this game almost from release and seen so many players suck up and crawl to get their templates done....and zerg and kill whatever comes their way to finally obtain their desired rank. And then Poff the change comes....they suddenly dont need the rest of the realm cause they have their template...they dont need to socialize anymore. Then they get amnesia and cant remember their "work" to get there or how they did it. Then what they did is called "soloing " or fg vs fg " fights to get were they are today..and they cannot for the love of god lput themself into the lower rrs position, cause thats not what the game is about for them anymore...its just the competition that counts,,,

aint that funny?

I know a few high rrs to this day that i know have stayed with the people they like or have maintained their usuall self and not changed.
and thats a bit scary...

I stopped socializing when the majority of my friends quit the game, rather than when I dinged another rr. Nine out of ten friends either got fed up, went to a different game or got banned/e-bayed, so I wasn't left with much to socialise with, and I hardly chose for that to happen.
As for the 'work', I remember taking a year to get 50, and I remember sticking an awful lot of effort into my templates/characters aswell, and even helping out some other people in the past, but hey, I'm bored of that now.
But sure, I dinged rr5-6-7-8 or whatever, and suddenly changed into a rude, anti-social, witty ****, like I were struck by lightning.

well the post about doing well in FGs being more fun is just bullshit imo.

I regularly run with high RR FGs and i still find duoing/trioing with good mates much more fun.

So its a bit lame to try and tell ebe that hes crap cus he doesnt rvr the way you do. If someone is having fun whats the problem ? just cus they dont run in l337 madskillz rox0rz j00r b0x0rz groups doesnt mean they suck.

as for adding.. i never add but shit happens.

Well excuse me, I forgot to add the 'that's my opinion' tag to the 'winning is fun' comment, but hey.
And I haven't anywhere said that Ebenezer is crap, for whatever reason, I just don't agree with him.

 

[ebenezer]

heheheh.....see you can be social....you just been social and quite constructive with me here on FH...amazing and you do have some sense of humor left in ur old bitter body hehe.
sooo.....use all thats left of ur good part of the soul and remember those hard working days and why the zerglings do ruin ur fun...unintentionaly or not
i just wanna add another thing about the "fair" fights and voice coms...
We use voice com in my rvr groups... we are from rr1-9 most of the time...not many in that higher layer though
But we very seldom have opted groups.....we rather get a fun evening going by inviting everyone that wants to rvr instead of waiting for the perfect setup. And tbh streaf....we get steamrolled by these high rvr guild groups all the time..always have been....fg or not I never ever cried about that. but it kinda ruins the whole logic the high rr groups seem to have about fair fights and tbh i cant see anything justifyin that if one now wants to discuss what a fair fight would be....there exists fairer fights.....but not such thing as a fair fight man thats a fact. On the other hand i dont care lol....dont know why i even bother writing on these forums. ..

whatever we discuss here we will never solve this issue. Its unfortunatly in the hands of the designers. And thats the bottom line of it.
sure its fun discussing....but it wont lead to anything better then establishing that we all have different views, and that i even more see that this game is a scary tiny copy of society in rl...instead of being what some of us hoped for when logging on the first time....maybe an escape from that into something else^^...
over and out...

 

[Prothoe]

Straef do you still have stick + assist + sprint on your quickbars, mb arrow keys for movement too? ·_·

 

[Infanity]

I dont see what the fucking deal is with stick on Qbar, Does me fine never had a problem with it.

 

[Marc]

lol i love adding whines.

 

[Chronictank]

intresting....and if one of the groups are rr 3 and other rr10?

Disagree with you here, a rr3 can put up a good fight.
just look at Celerity when they were around

 

[ebenezer]

Disagree with you here, a rr3 can put up a good fight.
just look at Celerity when they were around

Ur right ofc my point isnt though that 3 against 10 might be a fair fight if the 3 are so much more more skilled the 10 are just newly ebayed
I just meant that on paper almost nothing is a fair fight if you take classes and ranks and experience in considerations.

All high rr gank groups seems to search for good fights...well i can tell them that my ranger 3L8 facing rr 8 and higher stealth zergs and soloers are a way better challenge then they ever will face

I remember that even with my bard(that can hardly defend himself against anything) i was never spared in old frontiers way back...nor were i spared by the same groups now. So there is no morals about whats fair etc since everyone is as bad as everyone else in this game...and thats fine with me. it truly is, the only thing i want to be spared of is the constant whine on people for playing like they want....

 

[Baron]

Hi Rigga Mortice
Awesome post buddy
I think this is a fair way to let all players knew the state of the irvr and give a thorough and clear indication of the location of play style.

Aion buddy I would be far more ashamed of a rr10 scout joining us lowbies in the zerg tbh
But to be really honest I wouldn't give a fuck what you do m8
When I reach your realm rank I will still play with my mates and help them with their game
But I'd never look down on people who are enjoying a game, playing it the9r way and not actively seeking a way to piss people of.
Maybe that's because I'm not a self-righteous twat

 

[CuddleBunny!]

Straef do you still have stick + assist + sprint on your quickbars, mb arrow keys for movement too? ·_·

grats. you just made yourself a retard xD
so the fuck what if someone uses arrowkeys for movement? why the fuck do you care?:touch:

 

[Straef]

Muchos text.

I'm bitter alright, but I don't have a soul left, sorry ;<

Straef do you still have stick + assist + sprint on your quickbars, mb arrow keys for movement too? ·_·

Yes I do, just to define myself as a lesser player, and so anyone can tell I'm a newby by looking at screenies.

lol i love adding whines.

Lol I love Marc's constructive post's.

Disagree with you here, a rr3 can put up a good fight.
just look at Celerity when they were around

Or some lowby NP group back in OF, they did better than most higher groups :x

Ur right ofc my point isnt though that 3 against 10 might be a fair fight if the 3 are so much more more skilled the 10 are just newly ebayed
I just meant that on paper almost nothing is a fair fight if you take classes and ranks and experience in considerations.

All high rr gank groups seems to search for good fights...well i can tell them that my ranger 3L8 facing rr 8 and higher stealth zergs and soloers are a way better challenge then they ever will face

I'm fairly sure that all, or most, high rr players have fought stronger groups when they were lower rr.
And sure, there's never something as a perfectly fair fight, but people can at least try to make it as close to fair as possible, by fighting with even numbers, not exploiting bugs and playing as well as they can, which will make it possible to have interesting fights.

 

[Straef]

It can't be over :< It's not even near becoming the largest FAO-thread ever

 

[ebenezer]

It can't be over :< It's not even near becoming the largest FAO-thread ever

guess it is we all established as usuall that whining never helps....that adding will always continue until mythic decides anything else...thatwe all had different opinions...and that i leave with the girl in the end as usuall

 

[Chimaira]

Get off Straef u sad fuckers xD

After 2 years of bitchin and hating I group up with the guy and had a damn nice rvr fun with the fella.

Cant beat him flame him? >.<

 

[toxii]

lets not hide bhind our fingers chimp, only reason you did that was cos you was sick and couldnt yell whines on vent xD

 

[ebenezer]

Get off Straef u sad fuckers xD

After 2 years of bitchin and hating I group up with the guy and had a damn nice rvr fun with the fella.

Cant beat him flame him? >.<

hihih.....you came in a lil late into the discussion
We were having a pretty peacefull discussion....and then you swoop in and drop this beautifull line
i know the thread was long...but sometimes its good to read it before replyin^^

 

[Grimnna]

Here's your good way: Don't add unless asked to. If you run by a fight, and someone is in help and asking you to help them, go ahead, but if they're just fighting and they don't ask for anything, keep walking.

Assuming you are not only saying this to the one guy you were replying to but to all others reading this and therefor also to me, I kindly ask you to stop telling me how to play ffs... and that goes to anyone of you add-whining, selfmade-rule-enforcers and pointless-discussion-starters in a game that has it's rules set already.
You don't want ppl to add? Go play DII in solo mode!
You want different rules then the ones that we have now? Send a rightnow!
Want to have FUN?!?!?! Just play and don't look at what others do all the time.

Damn... my 5th post or so on FH and I'm already fed up with a lot of the people here. What you are doing is not discussing it is trying to enforce something and when it's not working you quote eachother to point out that the other changed his pov. Or even better you make jokes about bad spelling or completely useless posts at all.

I thought I could learn something about the game by reading these forums, the only thing I have learned so far is that there are a lot of leet-kids that want to play a game by a couple of set rules and want to enforce them to the majority of the people on FH.

If I EVER brake a rule ingame please tell me I did and point me where I can find it was wrong what I did, but don't tell me NOT to zerg/add/walk away from a fight/play before 0.00/play after0.00/roll a certain class/be OP/avoid being OP/etc..etc.. because I will play the game exactly as I damn well please!

Any comments on this post might/might not be read as I am going of this forum and gonna try and have some fun in-game.

 

[ebenezer]

Assuming you are not only saying this to the one guy you were replying to but to all others reading this and therefor also to me, I kindly ask you to stop telling me how to play ffs... and that goes to anyone of you add-whining, selfmade-rule-enforcers and pointless-discussion-starters in a game that has it's rules set already.
You don't want ppl to add? Go play DII in solo mode!
You want different rules then the ones that we have now? Send a rightnow!
Want to have FUN?!?!?! Just play and don't look at what others do all the time.

Damn... my 5th post or so on FH and I'm already fed up with a lot of the people here. What you are doing is not discussing it is trying to enforce something and when it's not working you quote eachother to point out that the other changed his pov. Or even better you make jokes about bad spelling or completely useless posts at all.

I thought I could learn something about the game by reading these forums, the only thing I have learned so far is that there are a lot of leet-kids that want to play a game by a couple of set rules and want to enforce them to the majority of the people on FH.

If I EVER brake a rule ingame please tell me I did and point me where I can find it was wrong what I did, but don't tell me NOT to zerg/add/walk away from a fight/play before 0.00/play after0.00/roll a certain class/be OP/avoid being OP/etc..etc.. because I will play the game exactly as I damn well please!

Any comments on this post might/might not be read as I am going of this forum and gonna try and have some fun in-game.

Unfortunatly 80% are add whine. But the whiners arent that many, they are a bunch that will never learn that it doesnt help to try to enforce rules on other people. But they are easely ignored, especially since they have a game with set rules as you say to kinda put them down a few pin holes
But as you say its darn anoying when you try to have fun and someone that havent got a clue suddenly walks up you you and whine instead of try and have fun on their own and not care so much about what others do..
And half of it is usually from ur own realm m8s
But one way to avoid the add whines is to never visit the rvr section....just read ur own realms section

 

[Ging]

Assuming you are not only saying this to the one guy you were replying to but to all others reading this and therefor also to me, I kindly ask you to stop telling me how to play ffs... and that goes to anyone of you add-whining, selfmade-rule-enforcers and pointless-discussion-starters in a game that has it's rules set already.
You don't want ppl to add? Go play DII in solo mode!
You want different rules then the ones that we have now? Send a rightnow!
Want to have FUN?!?!?! Just play and don't look at what others do all the time.

Damn... my 5th post or so on FH and I'm already fed up with a lot of the people here. What you are doing is not discussing it is trying to enforce something and when it's not working you quote eachother to point out that the other changed his pov. Or even better you make jokes about bad spelling or completely useless posts at all.

I thought I could learn something about the game by reading these forums, the only thing I have learned so far is that there are a lot of leet-kids that want to play a game by a couple of set rules and want to enforce them to the majority of the people on FH.

If I EVER brake a rule ingame please tell me I did and point me where I can find it was wrong what I did, but don't tell me NOT to zerg/add/walk away from a fight/play before 0.00/play after0.00/roll a certain class/be OP/avoid being OP/etc..etc.. because I will play the game exactly as I damn well please!

Any comments on this post might/might not be read as I am going of this forum and gonna try and have some fun in-game.

Gr8 post kep it up!

Even better is when u get whined at for not helping according to a PM i recieved a few days ago i was too fucking elite to help, rofl me elite, as infernal would say it lamorofl irl on TS!

 

[Straef]

hihih.....you came in a lil late into the discussion
We were having a pretty peacefull discussion....and then you swoop in and drop this beautifull line
i know the thread was long...but sometimes its good to read it before replyin^^

He only spiced up the thread a little ;p

 

[ebenezer]

He only spiced up the thread a little ;p

heheheh yepp

 

[Straef]

Assuming you are not only saying this to the one guy you were replying to but to all others reading this and therefor also to me, I kindly ask you to stop telling me how to play ffs... and that goes to anyone of you add-whining, selfmade-rule-enforcers and pointless-discussion-starters in a game that has it's rules set already.
You don't want ppl to add? Go play DII in solo mode!
You want different rules then the ones that we have now? Send a rightnow!
Want to have FUN?!?!?! Just play and don't look at what others do all the time.

Damn... my 5th post or so on FH and I'm already fed up with a lot of the people here. What you are doing is not discussing it is trying to enforce something and when it's not working you quote eachother to point out that the other changed his pov. Or even better you make jokes about bad spelling or completely useless posts at all.

I thought I could learn something about the game by reading these forums, the only thing I have learned so far is that there are a lot of leet-kids that want to play a game by a couple of set rules and want to enforce them to the majority of the people on FH.

If I EVER brake a rule ingame please tell me I did and point me where I can find it was wrong what I did, but don't tell me NOT to zerg/add/walk away from a fight/play before 0.00/play after0.00/roll a certain class/be OP/avoid being OP/etc..etc.. because I will play the game exactly as I damn well please!

Any comments on this post might/might not be read as I am going of this forum and gonna try and have some fun in-game.

So, if I want to have fun by having clean fights and by playing the way I like to, I'll have to piss off to another game, which is the exact reason you won't change the way you play, right? I might just be a fool for thinking this, but I think adding on someone is just plain disrespectful, especially when you know a group (the guys in dark teal, i.e.) will not appreciate your help.
How much effort will it take not to ruin a fight and to just move on to the next, more challenging fight? That way you'll at least have my group's thanks, without having to put in any extra effort. Sure, GOA won't force you to do so, but why wouldn't you do so, if you don't lose anything yourself?

 

[Grimnna]

I might just be a fool for thinking this, but I think adding on someone is just plain disrespectful, especially when you know a group (the guys in dark teal, i.e.) will not appreciate your help.

No problem at all that YOU think this. But don't whine if other people think different about it and do fight other realms, either if they are fighting other people or not. Is it really so hard to grasp that some people (me for instance) see every single member of an enemy realm as someone who has to be killed as soon as possible.
The only good enemy is a dead enemy, and if that is against your code of honour, good for you, but again if I see an enemy I will try and kill it now matter what I have to do for it.



Edit: If anyone ever sees a cute dorf wearing dark teal who is in a fight please help him, it's a fluffy healer that needs all the help he can get. (fyi been wearing teal since I discovered it years ago).

 

[Nedo]

No problem at all that YOU think this. But don't whine if other people think different about it and do fight other realms, either if they are fighting other people or not. Is it really so hard to grasp that some people (me for instance) see every single member of an enemy realm as someone who has to be killed as soon as possible.
The only good enemy is a dead enemy, and if that is against your code of honour, good for you, but again if I see an enemy I will try and kill it now matter what I have to do for it.

You go kill those enemys when there are no more to kill cause they got bored of a good fight ruined by 100 adds....that will be fun for you.

 

[Grimnna]

You go kill those enemys when there are no more to kill cause they got bored of a good fight ruined by 100 adds....that will be fun for you.

Or you could go away with all the other add-haters and then "all of us minus you 10 whiners" will have more fun in the GAME (ffs)...