explosions at the boston marathon

[BloodOmen]

jesus, meant to be 374 british runners there aswell for the marathon :/

 

[TdC]

Did anyone care in the first place?

well, the pictures from Mogadishu were pretty grim....I'd say about 20 or 30 times grimmer than Boston. still, its all bad in my book

 

[rynnor]

Small poorly assembled (probably home made since half failed to detonate) devices placed in bins.

It looks local but whether its al qaeda inspired or other random remains to be seen.

Talk about soft target though - no real way to secure the route and general vicinity.

 

[Aada]

They will feel the full wrath of America.

 

[Aada]

8 year old child died.

 

[DaGaffer]

Talk about soft target though - no real way to secure the route and general vicinity.

And that's the real problem. I guarantee that today there will guys going out from all the London boroughs to tape up rubbish bins and postboxes like in the bad old days of the IRA. You can also bet this will be the stick used to finally formalise random stop and search and God knows what else.

I was always worried that one day there would be a change of tactics; cheap bombs and lots of 'em are potentially far more disruptive than going for aircraft etc. Plus, look at the scenes from Boston; the one thing you don't see all over the internet when a plane goes down is the mangled bodies and all the blood. In a way this is far more impactful.

They will feel the full wrath of America.

And in the end we'll give up more and hurt ourselves more than all the drones and Hellfires in the world can achieve.

 

[Aada]

And that's the real problem. I guarantee that today there will guys going out from all the London boroughs to tape up rubbish bins and postboxes like in the bad old days of the IRA. You can also bet this will be the stick used to finally formalise random stop and search and God knows what else.

I was always worried that one day there would be a change of tactics; cheap bombs and lots of 'em are potentially far more disruptive than going for aircraft etc. Plus, look at the scenes from Boston; the one thing you don't see all over the internet when a plane goes down is the mangled bodies and all the blood. In a way this is far more impactful.



And in the end we'll give up more and hurt ourselves more than all the drones and Hellfires in the world can achieve.

You have brand new tin foil hat made?

 

[Chilly]

And that's the real problem. I guarantee that today there will guys going out from all the London boroughs to tape up rubbish bins and postboxes like in the bad old days of the IRA. You can also bet this will be the stick used to finally formalise random stop and search and God knows what else.

I was always worried that one day there would be a change of tactics; cheap bombs and lots of 'em are potentially far more disruptive than going for aircraft etc. Plus, look at the scenes from Boston; the one thing you don't see all over the internet when a plane goes down is the mangled bodies and all the blood. In a way this is far more impactful.



And in the end we'll give up more and hurt ourselves more than all the drones and Hellfires in the world can achieve.

Yeah, it's a massive shame. More people probably died that day on the roads in Boston (in car accidents) than in those bombings, yet due to cascading attention and fear this will cause gigantic policy shifts in the US govt and abroad at staggering cost to everyone in both $ and in how we live our lives. The terrorists may well be cunts, but they know exactly what they are doing. You can never, ever, stop this kind of attack, short of 100% police state and "no browns allowed" type policies. The problem with that is you'll end up brewing home grown terrorists pissed off at how things are going which will just make govt even more jittery. It's such a pile of bollocks and it's all down to human psychology and perception biases. None of this needs to happen. The single best response to this shit is to clean it up and ignore it. Don't spend money, don't pass crazy laws. In the grand scheme of things it's so unlikely to actually harm you at any point in your lifetime you should kick and scream against any government expenditure to stop it outside of whatever the norm £/life saved metric is for health and safety stuff.

 

[Aada]

Yeah, it's a massive shame. More people probably died that day on the roads in Boston (in car accidents) than in those bombings, yet due to cascading attention and fear this will cause gigantic policy shifts in the US govt and abroad at staggering cost to everyone in both $ and in how we live our lives. The terrorists may well be cunts, but they know exactly what they are doing. You can never, ever, stop this kind of attack, short of 100% police state and "no browns allowed" type policies. The problem with that is you'll end up brewing home grown terrorists pissed off at how things are going which will just make govt even more jittery. It's such a pile of bollocks and it's all down to human psychology and perception biases. None of this needs to happen. The single best response to this shit is to clean it up and ignore it. Don't spend money, don't pass crazy laws. In the grand scheme of things it's so unlikely to actually harm you at any point in your lifetime you should kick and scream against any government expenditure to stop it outside of whatever the norm £/life saved metric is for health and safety stuff.

Ignore it? Would be interesting to see how your country reacts when you ignore a terror attack in your own country, I have a feeling the public would be knocking on your door asking wtf are you doing and possibly going for your throat with a butter knife.

The comment about more people dying in road accidents that day is just utterly stupid.

There is a huge difference between dying in a car accident and having your legs blown off by a bomb, tell your analogy to the guy in the wheel chair with both legs missing and just bone left.

Just ignore it all and it will all go away right?

 

[Tuthmes]

I presume you are American Aada? Take it from people that live in countries that have dealt with the IRA and ETA (RAF aswell). Instead of following the line of (for example) Israel. Which gets you nowhere (see 60 years of bullshit and counting). You name them terrorists, they see it as justice or revenge and who's right depends on which side you are. They've got all the time of the world and the hate that will last centuries.

You cannot ignore it, but you don't have to retaliate every single time (see Israel again). Because it will just generate more hate.

 

[Job]

The only way to stop it would be to exterminate the entire thought base behind the ideology..ie kill everyone who supports it..bit difficult..but weve tried many times before.

 

[Aada]

I presume you are American Aada? Take it from people that live in countries that have dealt with the IRA and ETA (RAF aswell). Instead of following the line of (for example) Israel. Which gets you nowhere (see 60 years of bullshit and counting). You name them terrorists, they see it as justice or revenge and who's right depends on which side you are. They've got all the time of the world and the hate that will last centuries.

You cannot ignore it, but you don't have to retaliate every single time (see Israel again). Because it will just generate more hate.

I'm British. There goes your theory.

Served in the British Army for some years and let me tell you Americans love their country which is more than I can say for the British these days and its embarrassing frankly.

 

[Ctuchik]

Yeah, it's a massive shame. More people probably died that day on the roads in Boston (in car accidents) than in those bombings, yet due to cascading attention and fear this will cause gigantic policy shifts in the US govt and abroad at staggering cost to everyone in both $ and in how we live our lives. The terrorists may well be cunts, but they know exactly what they are doing. You can never, ever, stop this kind of attack, short of 100% police state and "no browns allowed" type policies. The problem with that is you'll end up brewing home grown terrorists pissed off at how things are going which will just make govt even more jittery. It's such a pile of bollocks and it's all down to human psychology and perception biases. None of this needs to happen. The single best response to this shit is to clean it up and ignore it. Don't spend money, don't pass crazy laws. In the grand scheme of things it's so unlikely to actually harm you at any point in your lifetime you should kick and scream against any government expenditure to stop it outside of whatever the norm £/life saved metric is for health and safety stuff.

Am i the only one that thinks that there's a difference between a car accident and a planted bomb?

 

[Tuthmes]

I'm British. There goes your theory.

Fair enough, but my point still stands.

 

[Aada]

Am i the only one that thinks that there's a difference between a car accident and a planted bomb?

Thank god someone else knows the difference instead of throwing around silly comparisons like more people died in road accidents yesterday than the bombing in Boston.

 

[DaGaffer]

Am i the only one that thinks that there's a difference between a car accident and a planted bomb?

Of course there's a difference, but changing your own way of life for extra "safety" that's completely illusory is ultimately self-defeating, as is firing a load of Hellfires at random brown people to say "fear our power, that'll show 'em", because they already know you have the power, which is why they're putting home-made bombs in bins in the first place.

Of course fucknuts like Aada reflect the prevailing state of opinion which is "keep blowing brown people up, they'll give up eventually". No, they won't.

Chilly is right, horrific as it seems, this is actually an irritant once you remove the emotion from it.

 

[Aada]

Of course there's a difference, but changing your own way of life for extra "safety" that's completely illusory is ultimately self-defeating, as is firing a load of Hellfires at random brown people to say "fear our power, that'll show 'em", because they already know you have the power, which is why they're putting home-made bombs in bins in the first place.

Of course fucknuts like Aada reflect the prevailing state of opinion which is "keep blowing brown people up, they'll give up eventually". No, they won't.

Chilly is right, horrific as it seems, this is actually an irritant once you remove the emotion from it.

And its fuckwits like yourself who want to ignore it and put your head in the sand, funny how you keep making this about skin colour when it doesn't really have anything to do with that at all.

As I said before tell that shit you just wrote to the guy in the wheel chair with only bone to show where his legs should be.

Its people like you who should be put in these situations and then after put on a talk show with your missing limbs and see if you still want to ignore it.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

And its fuckwits like yourself who want to ignore it and put your head in the sand, funny how you keep making this about skin colour when it doesn't really have anything to do with that at all.

Bollocks, you can't cede to fear for no reason. The day after the 7/7 bombings most Londoners, myself included were back on the tubes the next day going to work. We didn't "stick our head in the sand," we got on with it. London was a much, much better place to be, emotionally and mentally speaking after 7/7 than NYC was after 9/11, purely because we don't cower and change everything after a single isolated incident.

 

[Aada]

Bollocks, you can't cede to fear for no reason. The day after the 7/7 bombings most Londoners, myself included were back on the tubes the next day going to work. We didn't "stick our head in the sand," we got on with it. London was a much, much better place to be, emotionally and mentally speaking after 7/7 than NYC was after 9/11, purely because we don't cower and change everything after a single isolated incident.

There's a difference between getting on with life and ignoring something. So yes bollocks to yourself.

London didn't change after 7/7? Bullshit the amount of armed police walking around in London speaks volumes.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/48093470152/two-explosives-went-off-at-the-boston-marathon-on

Le Sigh

 

[DaGaffer]

And its fuckwits like yourself who want to ignore it and put your head in the sand, funny how you keep making this about skin colour when it doesn't really have anything to do with that at all.

As I said before tell that shit you just wrote to the guy in the wheel chair with only bone to show where his legs should be.

Its people like you who should be put in these situations and then after put on a talk show with your missing limbs and see if you still want to ignore it.

How is saying "don't let this affect us" putting your head in the sand? What would you do smartarse?

 

[Chilly]

And its fuckwits like yourself who want to ignore it and put your head in the sand, funny how you keep making this about skin colour when it doesn't really have anything to do with that at all.

As I said before tell that shit you just wrote to the guy in the wheel chair with only bone to show where his legs should be.

Its people like you who should be put in these situations and then after put on a talk show with your missing limbs and see if you still want to ignore it.

But how is being in a wheelchair because of terrorism any different to being in a wheelchair because of a car accident? Perhaps both were caused by someone else being evil (terrorist or a car company not botehring to test a safety feature properly). It's the same outcome. Also, how many of our soldiers have ended up in wheelchairs fighting wars that probably only increase the incidence of domestic terrorism.

I'm not saying "ignore it and it'll go away". I'm saying if they want to bomb us, there's fuck all we can actually do and wasting all this money on vast domestic spying programs is a huge problem. You're upset because I'm removing emotion from the situation and treating all deaths equally. Let me make another crazy analogy: more children will die in the UK from measles this year than died at the marathon because of an unscientific paper linking vaccination to autism. I'd rather spend money stopping that than paying policemen to search me randomly for no reason.

 

[Aada]

How is saying "don't let this affect us" putting your head in the sand? What would you do smartarse?

What would you do with your missing limbs? Would you still the same as you do if you had your legs blown off?

 

[Chilly]

What would you do with your missing limbs? Would you still the same as you do if you had your legs blown off?

And more of the same content free emotive hyperbole. People lose their legs by eating badly and far higher numbers. Should we wage disproportionate wars on diabetes? Should we spy on people at home to make sure they dont eat too much? Fuck no.

 

[DaGaffer]

What would you do with your missing limbs? Would you still the same as you do if you had your legs blown off?

Answer the fucking question, what would you do in response to this atrocity?

(And to answer your question, yes, my opinion would be the same. I've thought about that a lot over the years)

 

[Aada]

But how is being in a wheelchair because of terrorism any different to being in a wheelchair because of a car accident? Perhaps both were caused by someone else being evil (terrorist or a car company not botehring to test a safety feature properly). It's the same outcome. Also, how many of our soldiers have ended up in wheelchairs fighting wars that probably only increase the incidence of domestic terrorism.

I'm not saying "ignore it and it'll go away". I'm saying if they want to bomb us, there's fuck all we can actually do and wasting all this money on vast domestic spying programs is a huge problem. You're upset because I'm removing emotion from the situation and treating all deaths equally. Let me make another crazy analogy: more children will die in the UK from measles this year than died at the marathon because of an unscientific paper linking vaccination to autism. I'd rather spend money stopping that than paying policemen to search me randomly for no reason.

They will die of measles because those parents choose to ignore what millions of Brits have been doing for years and that is getting their children vaccinated.

Take the whooping cough shit that happened last year it was because of parents thinking they know best and not getting their children vaccinated when the doctors and telling them too, a few babies died because of those parents ignorance.

The blame is on the parents, our 6 month old girl has had all her jabs just like I did when I was a baby didn't need to ask questions because not vaccinating your kid is playing with fire.

 

[Aada]

Answer the fucking question, what would you do in response to this atrocity?

(And to answer your question, yes, my opinion would be the same. I've thought about that a lot over the years)

What is there to do right now other than an investigation?

 

[Aada]

And more of the same content free emotive hyperbole. People lose their legs by eating badly and far higher numbers. Should we wage disproportionate wars on diabetes? Should we spy on people at home to make sure they dont eat too much? Fuck no.

Again with the bad comparisons.

 

[DaGaffer]

What is there to do right now other than an investigation?

Way to weasel out of a direct answer. And if the investigation says "Al-Qeada", then what?

 

[Chilly]

They will die of measles because those parents choose to ignore what millions of Brits have been doing for years and that is getting their children vaccinated.

Take the whooping cough shit that happened last year it was because of parents thinking they know best and not getting their children vaccinated when the doctors and telling them too.

The blame is on the parents, our 6 month old girl has had all her jabs just like I did when I was a baby didn't need to ask questions because not vaccinating your kid is playing with fire.

That's not the point. It doesnt matter who's fault it is. We could stop it by forming MMR police and physically forcing every child to be vaccinated. We don't because it would destroy liberty for very small public health benefits since most parents do the responsible thing.