EU elections ... sad sad

[Gorbachioo]

I put my vote on the pirate party instead of mindlessly putting it on some FOtm party like S & M (heh).

If someone isnt interested in politics then its probably better for everyone if he doesnt vote....... But.


Why the fuck oh why would you waste your vote on a party thats only interested in free porn while the whole world, including sweden, is going to hell?

Explain this to me. Please.

 

[liloe]

Quite interesting things people are saying here, tbh. But most interesting is, that atm, the numbers in this poll and the official numbers are kinda close together.

But I think it's kinda sad when people say that they're not going because "they're all the same". I think that change can only happen if everybody takes part in it.
Less people voting means that the extremist parties get more votes, because their members always vote. I don't want extreme right or left wing guys in the EU, so I'm making sure it's not my fault if it happens.

I have to agree, though, that it was a hard decision for me, because the "classic" parties didn't really appeal to me. I was kinda tied between a few of them, but (omg, voting secret ) I gave my voice to the Pirates as well =) Maybe their concept isn't that worked out for every aspect the EU has to offer, but what they say is a very good point of view to have in the EU parliament. Also, once they gain more voices, they will work out a better program, but hey, at least it's a chance =)

What I'm saying is: Even if you think that your voice doesn't matter, you're not the only person thinking what you think and if all go to the urns to express their opinion.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Why the fuck oh why would you waste your vote on a party thats only interested in free porn

Explain this to me. Please.

It's quite self-explanitary watson!

 

[liloe]

If someone isnt interested in politics then its probably better for everyone if he doesnt vote....... But.


Why the fuck oh why would you waste your vote on a party thats only interested in free porn while the whole world, including sweden, is going to hell?

Explain this to me. Please.

Because their program is mostly about data privacy, which is a very important topic and as I said in the post I just made, even if they're certainly not gonna get any majority real soon, it's important to show which things are important to you as citizen.

 

[Gorbachioo]

Because their program is mostly about data privacy, which is a very important topic and as I said in the post I just made, even if they're certainly not gonna get any majority real soon, it's important to show which things are important to you as citizen.

And this is important to you as a citizen?

 

[liloe]

And this is important to you as a citizen?

Yes it is indeed very important to me. I don't want to be a glass citizen for the state and I want my privacy to be respected.

 

[Sparx]

EDIT: I would disagree on the human nature bit, but that's a whole nother can of worms(read topic)

Well its a very British thing to moan about absolutely anything and everything, from the weather being too hot then too cold then too wet then too windy all in the space of a day. To the train being 45 seconds late

 

[fettoken]

If someone isnt interested in politics then its probably better for everyone if he doesnt vote....... But.


Why the fuck oh why would you waste your vote on a party thats only interested in free porn while the whole world, including sweden, is going to hell?

Explain this to me. Please.

Why would anyone waste a post that explains things to a random flamer that twists words and generate lies to make the discussion tilt in his favour. You are incapable of understanding the most simple of things anyway. You seem to believe in the perfect system, and vote for the FOtm party that you are certain will make for a better world to live in.

 

[Sparx]

You should all know by now not to get dragged into a topic with Gorb. Shame on you all

 

[liloe]

But let us not turn the whole thread into a flamefest please =)

I'm very interested in people's opinions and it would be sad if everything turned to shit-slinging :<

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well its a very British thing to moan about absolutely anything and everything, from the weather being too hot then too cold then too wet then too windy all in the space of a day. To the train being 45 seconds late

Too true, also keeps the brits "humble"'ish, so it's not all bad.

By humble'ish i mean, they complain a lot, but they also don't think they are world saviours

You seem to believe in the perfect system, and vote for the FOtm party that you are certain will make for a better world to live in.

Actually, if i remember correctly, Gorb doesn't vote 'cause he doesn't think it'll change anything.

 

[Overdriven]

I didn't vote, however I was glued to the screen for most of it (It seems that I enjoy watching news all of a sudden) but it doesn't totally matter, the people I'd have voted for got the most seats anyway.

 

[Sparx]

Too true, also keeps the brits "humble"'ish, so it's not all bad.

By humble'ish i mean, they complain a lot, but they also don't think they are world saviours

Thats cause we own over a third of the world so no need to boast anymore

 

[Gorbachioo]

Oh come on people


All im saying is voting for a party like that is the same as wasting your vote.

Moving on:

Whats the deal with this BNP thing?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh come on people


All im saying is voting for a party like that is the same as wasting your vote.

Actually that's saying "You people are stupid for voting what you want, while you should vote x because i think so".

You might want to say something like "I think there's nothing good in voting x, but that's democracy."

 

[Gorbachioo]

Or


I'll say that the pirate party is a retarded invention that mocks democracy with its stupidity.

 

[liloe]

Or


I'll say that the pirate party is a retarded invention that mocks democracy with its stupidity.

Wrong, it's a party which shows that the established parties are missing out on different points, so new parties form to take care of that problem.

What they promote are basic democratic rights, which is a rather good thing, if you ask me. Now it might be that you do not care about your privacy, but this doesn't mean that everyone needs to have your opinion. You don't like them? Don't vote for them.

You think you need to argue against them? Your perfect right, but arguing needs arguments to be serious. Just ranting without showing any points is just useless.

 

[Olgaline]

haha,
wish i could rep you twice Liloe ... ...

 

[Gorbachioo]

Okay whatever. I suppose its better than not voting at all.


Anyways, could someone explain why all britons seem to hate the BNP so much?

 

[mooSe_]

I'm glad my area isn't one of the BNP ones. My view on immigration is that no one has any more right to live in any country than any other person, whether they were born there or not. Just because I am lucky enough to be born in the UK doesn't mean that I have more right to be here than someone who was unlucky enough to be born in a worse-off country.
To prevent an unmanageable influx of immigrants, we should put funding into the EU (not the EU in its current state; a reformed EU) which should be used to improve conditions in worse-off EU member countries. Once the less economically developed EU countries are more developed their residents will no longer want or need to come here. Immigration from outside of the EU can't be dealt with in the same way yet, but it could be focussed on once there is equality in all the EU member states.

Primary reason was that they are Euro-sceptic and want to address the UK's place in the EU. Some people take that to mean they want the UK out of the EU altogether, but I take it to mean that they will work to improve the UK electorate's voice in Strasbourg.

I thought the whole point of UKIP was to remove the UK from the EU?
From their official site:

The UK Independence Party is the only moderate, democratic party to advocate Britain’s withdrawal from the European Union.

I'm not an expert on the EU but from what I know about it I agree that it doesn't work as (I think) that it should. However I disagree that the UK leaving the EU completely is the solution to this problem; I thought it would be better to vote for a party that wants EU reforms, so I voted Libertas.

Countries retreating back within their own borders and having less relations with each other seems like a completely backward step to me.

 

[tris-]

Maybe I am missing something, but is everyone forgetting one of the purposes of the EU? That is to allow EU residents to move freely between EU countries.

If immigrants from EU countries can come to England, and you can moan about it, did you not realise that you can just as easily move to another EU country?

 

[Raven]

I voted UKIP partly as a protest and partly because I want open debate followed by a referendum on whether we stay in Europe, personally I want us out. I also think our immigration needs fixing, not stopped but fixing.

 

[Everz]

If you live in the area chances are you would be voting for them anyway, i have friends who live in Dudley and most of them vote BNP and are proud of it

Same, Dudley is nearby me and everyone i know would/has voted BNP here, i'd vote BNP without a shadow of a doubt. The other option was UKIP, anything to start benefiting the UK people once again.

 

[Raven]

Fucking BNP, the nazis did not get us the last time and they wont get us this time god dammit

THIS IS HOW THE NAZIS STARTED, SAYS EVERYONE - The Daily Mash

 

[Everz]

Maybe I am missing something, but is everyone forgetting one of the purposes of the EU? That is to allow EU residents to move freely between EU countries.

If immigrants from EU countries can come to England, and you can moan about it, did you not realise that you can just as easily move to another EU country?

Do you not realise living standards in those countries are much worse? Theres a reason they flock over here then chuck money back to there homelands, if i worked in Poland(for example) i wouldnt be able to each a quarter of the wage i would working in UK. But hey it's ok because we can over there right?

Also furthermore, why the hell should i move?

 

[Raven]

Who do you prefer those that come here, earn their own money and thus the right to do whatever they like with it or the natives that sit around all day playing xbox? All the Poles I know belong to the former group.

What idiots like you fail to grasp is that this country is what it is through immigration, be it the Romans, the Normans or the Norse and in later times people from further afield.

Having said that, anyone who comes here for a free ride should be shipped out, along with any native that wants a free ride.

 

[mooSe_]

Do you not realise living standards in those countries are much worse? Theres a reason they flock over here then chuck money back to there homelands, if i worked in Poland(for example) i wouldnt be able to each a quarter of the wage i would working in UK. But hey it's ok because we can over there right?

Also furthermore, why the hell should i move?

Well why should we get to live in the UK when they aren't allowed to?

 

[Everz]

Who do you prefer those that come here, earn their own money and thus the right to do whatever they like with it or the natives that sit around all day playing xbox? All the Poles I know belong to the former group.

What idiots like you fail to grasp is that this country is what it is through immigration, be it the Romans, the Normans or the Norse and in later times people from further afield.

Having said that, anyone who comes here for a free ride should be shipped out, along with any native that wants a free ride.

Agreed, where it goes wrong however is when the British worker (i.e. me) fails to find a job because foreigner workers have taken most, which is a very big 'problem' as you may say in the Wolverhampton and surrounding areas, which leads to alot of the natives just sitting around playing xbox. And its not specifically poles, theres alot more then them that sit around and scrounge more then anything claiming benefits for kids they aren't even in the country.

I dont mind if they come here and work hard, pay there taxes, learn the language but there needs to be a point where they say, 'Hey, the british worker is getting affected here, lets lower the amount of them getting in'. Maybe (most likely) you don't live in a high foreign area, it's quite funny seeing signs around schools, work places all written in polish/punjab and english.

Furthermore, what idiots like you need to realise is this is not the time of Romans and Normans, this is the time of the here and now, if we looked on the past then wouldnt the whole world be invaders from Africa?

 

[Everz]

Well why should we get to live in the UK when they aren't allowed to?

As it's our country I was born here, there should be regulations in place like that of New Zealand and Australia to make sure the option to live here is there, but you've got to provide something and not affect the natives.

 

[Sparx]

Another problem with prople coming here is undercutting prices like builders etc which upsets everyone