Dyvet Idea

[Votan]

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[Manisch Depressiv]

I have played pretty much every MMO out there and just recently went back to daoc instead of WoW/L2/EvE etc

Daoc still have the best PvP system.

But hey I am in the beta so I know what´s going on compared to alot of other doomsayers :kissit:

For me running around in a circle for the kick of good fights or high RPs/h never was best PvP - add the amazing amount of easy mode via /face, /assist to it. Solo PvP was never balanced (killing RR11 chars with RR4 chars) and siege PvP never optimized (you lag as soon as a couple of dozen players are in the same area, regardless of the machine). What worked well was a subset - people who decided to fight in a special way with special rules - but that never lasted long on a server - just check how it went from Dyvet to US to Cammlan to US to Limors to Mordred to Temair or so. You can't expect people to reroll each time the subset ruleset fails because there are not enough people to support it anymore.

In EVE you could at least face extinction through PvP and have many others forms of PvP - economic market dominance, fights over territory with meaning, massive fleet fights (laggy too, but with a meaning - if you lose a capital/titan it hurts).

L2 and WoW - will not debate about those - didn't play them much.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Has been my opinion for the last 3 months aswell, recently i was asked to play warden in a setgroup on Teamir and with my main computer going boom and only having daoc installed on this (my server computer) i joined them.
And i have to say, RvR on Teamir is simply amazing, kinda like Dyvet was in it's prime, usually there are like 10 groups or so signed up for the fg zone and it's the same no add policy etc etc.
Also theres as on any high populated server lots of zerging and sieging going on aswell.
I'm atleast having a blast again in daoc, something that i havent had for a long time.

It will last how long till you have to replace Temair with yet-another-fotm-FG-cluster?

I am really suprised that you went through so many re-rolls, you hate PvE, or? I know it got a lot easier but it also got a lot easier to make awesome templates on paper through so many shine available items but it's as hard if not harder to realize them in game (just check my Vamp template in the template section, I also quit because I wouldn't be able whatsoever to get it running).

 

[Raimo]

In EVE you could at least face extinction through PvP and have many others forms of PvP - economic market dominance, fights over territory with meaning, massive fleet fights (laggy too, but with a meaning - if you lose a capital/titan it hurts).

L2 and WoW - will not debate about those - didn't play them much.

Will have to agree with u here Manisch.In Daoc if u die u just release and buff up and go out again.But in EvE when u get blown to pieces u have to get a new ship,parts and sh*t all over again(which ain't cheap),which makes EvE much more fun and challenging game.

 

[Septina]

It will last how long till you have to replace Temair with yet-another-fotm-FG-cluster?

I am really suprised that you went through so many re-rolls, you hate PvE, or? I know it got a lot easier but it also got a lot easier to make awesome templates on paper through so many shine available items but it's as hard if not harder to realize them in game (just check my Vamp template in the template section, I also quit because I wouldn't be able whatsoever to get it running).

I do hate pve yes, when i have to do it alone, when we started this group we were 5 - 6 people that made new chars so we powerleveled and sorted artifacts very very fast. At the moment we're all around rr5+ with less than 2 days played and most of us are closing in on ml10/cl10 all done through rvr and we dont have uber wtfrocks templates either, everyone decided to make easy templates so that we could get started asap.
For me DAoC is still the game that offers the best type of end game, can honestly say that i have not seen any other game since i started playing DAoC that tops it. And to be quite honest, it's not all about the type of rvr for me to have fun, take last night for example, was semidecent rvr, mostly zerg stuffs and the likes but i can without a doubt say i have not had this much fun on vent in a VERY long time.

 

[Tuthmes]

Now available in cow form.

 

[Septina]

?!
Cow warden is the bomb fyi!! So funny, most high rr tanks on teamir are so silly, train on one of our casters, i run up to the caster (without bg), train sees me standing on caster, train runs away and picks another target!

COW PUWWAH!!!11

 

[Vodkafairy]

Lol rly?? Even Pianist on Temair? xD

thats the one im talking about, he got a 7 day ban. his actual adding wasn't against the coc, but it appeared he reported everyone instantly the second they pm'd some abuse to him. goa concluded his motivation to add was griefplay and not anything else.

havnt seen or heard any notion of him being in the zone since - same goes for his buttbudy migg.

pianist was retarded enough to try and play the victim role on 4p forums, until a gm told the real motivation behind his ban. he got busted up pretty bad

first time goa put a grin on my face that went 3 laps around my head

 

[Lethul]

thats the one im talking about, he got a 7 day ban. his actual adding wasn't against the coc, but it appeared he reported everyone instantly the second they pm'd some abuse to him. goa concluded his motivation to add was griefplay and not anything else.

havnt seen or heard any notion of him being in the zone since - same goes for his buttbudy migg.

pianist was retarded enough to try and play the victim role on 4p forums, until a gm told the real motivation behind his ban. he got busted up pretty bad

first time goa put a grin on my face that went 3 laps around my head

There has been a new one in the zone a couple of times tho, Snipero

 

[Amiga]

thats the one im talking about, he got a 7 day ban. his actual adding wasn't against the coc, but it appeared he reported everyone instantly the second they pm'd some abuse to him. goa concluded his motivation to add was griefplay and not anything else.

havnt seen or heard any notion of him being in the zone since - same goes for his buttbudy migg.

pianist was retarded enough to try and play the victim role on 4p forums, until a gm told the real motivation behind his ban. he got busted up pretty bad

first time goa put a grin on my face that went 3 laps around my head

Rofl best story ive heard in a long time. Hate that retard. And no i havent seen him for a while either. Thank fook for that.

 

[Jupiter]

Septina playing a warden, oh how that made me chuckle.... irony huh

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Septina playing a warden, oh how that made me cry.... his skill i want

Fixed it for you.

 

[Jupiter]

Fixed it for you.

that the best u can do? i suppose with infantile intelligence what can one expect

 

[Septina]

Septina playing a warden, oh how that made me chuckle.... irony huh

I dont even have grapple on my QB fyi. I play my warden very much like i played my warrior, except for dps'ing after slam i heal and do other stuffs.
I'd rather die than play any char the way some wardens played on Dyvet, it is a valid tactic but i would NEVER use it mainly cause of the fun factor going to insta 0.

 

[Jupiter]

I dont even have grapple on my QB fyi. I play my warden very much like i played my warrior, except for dps'ing after slam i heal and do other stuffs.
I'd rather die than play any char the way some wardens played on Dyvet, it is a valid tactic but i would NEVER use it mainly cause of the fun factor going to insta 0.

Well u are playing the class when it has shield spec, even large shields(and grapple was nerfed sometime after that). Before that the warden role was very limited especially at low rr

 

[censi]

eve is utter garbage.

Im playing forza 2 on Xbox atm. Great game.

 

[Faeldawn]

eve is utter garbage.

Im playing forza 2 on Xbox atm. Great game.

Personally I still think EvE is one of the better mmorpg's on the market and possibly the most innovative mmorpg since UO.

 

[Septina]

Well u are playing the class when it has shield spec, even large shields(and grapple was nerfed sometime after that). Before that the warden role was very limited especially at low rr

Well, you were pointing out that it was ironic that i played a warden, because i have whined so much on wardens grappling and seeing as i dont or VERY rarely use grapple on my warden that argument is rather flawed.

 

[liloe]

Will have to agree with u here Manisch.In Daoc if u die u just release and buff up and go out again.But in EvE when u get blown to pieces u have to get a new ship,parts and sh*t all over again(which ain't cheap),which makes EvE much more fun and challenging game.

True, so fun to loose it all cause maybe you lagged at the wrong time. I also love to cut myself and jump from bridges, it gives that special flavour to life xD

Same reason I think UO is so terribly fun to play…

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

True, so fun to loose it all cause maybe you lagged at the wrong time. I also love to cut myself and jump from bridges, it gives that special flavour to life xD

Same reason I think UO is so terribly fun to play…

Bad comparison mate. There is just PvP and PvP and EVE has more of it than any game out there. You can still play safe to a degree, stay in a big newbie corp, fly best ships, be the richest man in the universe - yet someone could still suicide blow you up in the front of the police because he figured out you got something expensive in your pockets while you were driving your bicycle instead of a heavily armored vehicle.

So you can decide what kind of risk you want.

 

[Cromcruaich]

Well, you were pointing out that it was ironic that i played a warden, because i have whined so much on wardens grappling and seeing as i dont or VERY rarely use grapple on my warden that argument is rather flawed.

Erm, but havent you only had that warden post grapple nerf?

 

[Raimo]

True, so fun to loose it all cause maybe you lagged at the wrong time. I also love to cut myself and jump from bridges, it gives that special flavour to life xD

Same reason I think UO is so terribly fun to play…

Well for most ppl in EvE its like this,they get enough money so they can buy 2 or 3 more ships of the same kind before they go to PvP.In case you lose 1 u can have a second ship in no time and go back again.

And well you obviously don't like to play games where u can lose it all u have in 5mins.But for me that's what makes EvE more exciting than DAoC.

 

[Septina]

Erm, but havent you only had that warden post grapple nerf?

Even if i had it pre grapple nerf it would change nothing. As i mentioned, i play my warden very much like i played my warrior, follow tank train around, slam when needed and heal when needed and when it's possible.
I would not play any char like some of the wardens did back then even if it was a valid tactic, it would take the fun factor out of the game totally for me atleast.

 

[gravi-]

Even if i had it pre grapple nerf it would change nothing. As i mentioned, i play my warden very much like i played my warrior, follow tank train around, slam when needed and heal when needed and when it's possible.
I would not play any char like some of the wardens did back then even if it was a valid tactic, it would take the fun factor out of the game totally for me atleast.

and thats why septina sux @ warrior, stands there spamming CL heals

 

[preacherboy]

This a piss take tread?

 

[aika]

and thats why septina sux @ warrior, stands there spamming CL heals

CL heals ftw ;< remember that time when stupeh climbed on a keep with his gay hero and we kept him alive with some strong CL grp heal spam :x

 

[Ctuchik]

1.65 was savage nerf, debuffnuke nerf and ASD nerf i think?
so zerkers where nerfed waaaaaaaay before that

oh right, well givf back old LA and H2H anyway then

or atleast give savages the 6.5 spd 2 handers back

 

[Raimo]

oh right, well givf back old LA and H2H anyway then

or atleast give savages the 6.5 spd 2 handers back

In 1.89 u can get 6.0speed Dragonfury Sword.
Really nice sword that.

 

[Gahn]

Even if i had it pre grapple nerf it would change nothing. As i mentioned, i play my warden very much like i played my warrior, follow tank train around, slam when needed and heal when needed and when it's possible.
I would not play any char like some of the wardens did back then even if it was a valid tactic, it would take the fun factor out of the game totally for me atleast.

U wouldn't have had Slam back then tho

 

[Septina]

U wouldn't have had Slam back then tho

I would never have rolled a warden back then either tho. Only reason i rolled a warden now is because i can pretty much play it the same way as i played my warrior and i loved playing my warrior back then.