dont understand something

[Kraben]

Sigh.. There will always be classes that seems op'ed. But that will always be under the right circumstances. Hell even Thanes have been labled "op'ed" lately due to being able to frontload quite a bit of damage coming from 10 min rut tier 3 ra, rr5, doomhammer and instas - woah nerf this op'ed shit!

People dont realize that this game is pretty much as balanced as it can ever be if you want to keep the uniqueness of the 3 different realms. Various successfull groups and setups will determine what is op'ed and inbalanced. So will successfull raidleaders who understand how to make use of his/hers realms abillites. Funny though is that the group setups changes ever so often and so will the realms leaders. Its just too hard to see beyond all the op'ness when your getting owned in the frontiers and easier just to whine about it calling nerf left and right.

The grass is always greener etc etc..

If you want 100% balance then go play chess or something.

 

[Kagato]

I give up... simply... your beyond reason... either you don't want to or simply can't see the flaws in your arguements.

Personally I'm starting to suspect you of being one of those joining albion because you wanted the same as all the other albs, BIG BIG SHINY KNIGHT!

Theres no more flaws in my arguement then there is in saying 1 fg of sorc's could kill most enemy groups.


I joined albion 4 years ago knowing nothing about the game, I did not actually want to play daoc but friends insisted (who quit a few months later though I stayed obviously). The reason I chose albion was because I have always loved the arthurian legends and that time period, the whole medievel era and dragons thing.

Where as vikings do sod all for me and whilst I like the idea of playing an elf, 'magic' has never been my thing, even in pen and paper role playing games I always loved playing the tank.

I chose Armsmen because they sounded cool in the instruction manual and I liked the idea of using polearms instead of the typical swords thing.
Little did I know that when the instruction manual said master of all weapons, it actually meant double-specing uke:

 

[uspe]

you cant say that 8 vs 8 is equal fight. at least now. with the new chars. anyway i think lets give a break. summer time now. wait till oct comes and see how will be the game in that time. sieze fire :england:

 

[Belomar]

All realms have the overpowered classes you are talking about, Kagato, and they are spelled "casters". Your view of the game is extraordinarily one-sided, the viewpoint of a solo Alb tank. Trust me, all realms have their OP:d classes, even if its own members refuse to see it. In Albion, Sorcerers come out on top (by a mile), but other powerful casters include Cabalists and Theurgists.

Oh, and how are Chanters an overpowered class? The stun won't even be noticeable by you (slight speedbump), and their nukes are laughable when not debuffed (the debuff delves at 7 seconds duration). Only if you happen to run into a high RR one would you be in trouble, and, let's face it, any high RR caster is a serious threat these days.

You seriously need to get some perspective. When you say you spend time in other realms than Albion, I still somehow doubt this is at L50 RvR level, or you would be a lot less biased. Try it, it works wonders (it did for me, years ago).

 

[Belomar]

you cant say that 8 vs 8 is equal fight. at least now. with the new chars.

Not to be rude, but you don't seem to have a lot of 8vs8 experience, and so I am not sure how much your opinion is worth.

 

[AmeinoN]

So,
perfect Mid grp Vs perfect Alb grp (RA's up) ,
Who is gonna win? xd

 

[censi]

the chicken

 

[toxii]

Try fighting maeloch sometime and you'll see how devasting they can be. 8 of those would be scarey. 1 is difficult enough.

dude he's not rr2, what did you expect, to rp farm him?
and you aren't talking about some random rr11 person who run in a balanced fg all the time, as long as i can recall maeloch ran with pugs in the middle of the night and his actions alone in the fights was the only reason his grp won fights back in OF
let alone his experience in solo caster rvr, havent seen him grouped recently or at least running around with another toon stuck on him

never did, never played OF xD

spot the newb

Monsterrezz > shrooms

baseline stun > monsterrezz

 

[Stallion]

So,
perfect Mid grp Vs perfect Alb grp (RA's up) ,
Who is gonna win? xd

cant be said.
whats perfect, how to they counter their respective opponents strong sides.

 

[Kagato]

All realms have the overpowered classes you are talking about, Kagato, and they are spelled "casters". Your view of the game is extraordinarily one-sided, the viewpoint of a solo Alb tank. Trust me, all realms have their OP:d classes, even if its own members refuse to see it. In Albion, Sorcerers come out on top (by a mile), but other powerful casters include Cabalists and Theurgists.

Oh, and how are Chanters an overpowered class? The stun won't even be noticeable by you (slight speedbump), and their nukes are laughable when not debuffed (the debuff delves at 7 seconds duration). Only if you happen to run into a high RR one would you be in trouble, and, let's face it, any high RR caster is a serious threat these days.

You seriously need to get some perspective. When you say you spend time in other realms than Albion, I still somehow doubt this is at L50 RvR level, or you would be a lot less biased. Try it, it works wonders (it did for me, years ago).

The differance between you and me is I pressent arguements for what I say to back them up.

All you do is criticise me and call my point of view one sided, I thought you were better then that, you were much nicer when an alb tbh.

But getting back to the case in hand, yes sorc's are over powered, that is 1 class in a realm that still has the most classes. And the sorc is still no more powerful then melee immune BD's, SM's or unshearable Vamps or hib casters. Cabalists are no more powerful then chanters either and don't have baseline stun to boot.

Yes base line stun does not bother me to much, but im a heavy tank, and this is not about 'me' this is about realm balance and its no different for any other det tank. The minute I switch to my lowbie valk or theurgist of cause its a whole different matter and base line stun becomes the I win button, just like it does against many others.

And for the record I spend more time grouping these days then solo simply due to lack of time to play, and when im not im in midgard.

 

[Fifta]

Didn't bother to read all of the posts but as I want forum warrioring honor... here it goes!
When I played in Prydwen Albion before ToA the usual gaming experience was approximately this:

Fg vs Fg: First hours trying to find a cleric or if lucky, maybe two. Usual result was Killerbee who was a smite spec cleric. Set off with amazingly balanced shining alb group including many epic warriors of the year edition guys. Find an enemy fg, get mezzed, get killed during the mezz duration. When lying down dead watch how Public Enemies come and collect the arpees (personally I think they were the only group in alb/pryd who could actually stand a chance against mid/hib guild groups that time). Few players leave from group, try to find replacements and repeat. Chanter debuff dd was the thing that I remember clearly from those times.

Other notable shit: As far as I can remember albs were most of the time the guys who spent their time having close look on the grass, don't know about excal side tho.

So I don't mind if albs seem to have the upper hand during this summer.
And before you start saying things like "It is easy for you to say you don't mind because you are silly alb", I have to state that I don't play albion anymore, I deleted those chars a bit over year ago.

 

[RandomDotCom]

Yes base line stun does not bother me to much, but im a heavy tank, and this is not about 'me' this is about realm balance and its no different for any other det tank. The minute I switch to my lowbie valk or theurgist of cause its a whole different matter and base line stun becomes the I win button, just like it does against many others.

simply all i can say is ... you don't know how to play theu if you get killed by stun casters

2.2K range pets > 1.6k range stun

and you can't beat a caster 1v1 with valk ... poor ... you have insta cast spells and charge, if you weren't so narrowminded and learnt to move while you were fighting you'd get somewhere.

 

[Kagato]

simply all i can say is ... you don't know how to play theu if you get killed by stun casters

2.2K range pets > 1.6k range stun

and you can't beat a caster 1v1 with valk ... poor ... you have insta cast spells and charge, if you weren't so narrowminded and learnt to move while you were fighting you'd get somewhere.

a) My theurg is 48 earth spec for dragon raid farming and rr4

b) my valk is not ml'd, toa'd and rr2

c) seriously, grow up.

 

[Belisar]

a) My theurg is 48 earth spec for dragon raid farming and rr4

b) my valk is not ml'd, toa'd and rr2

c) seriously, grow up.

I am a bit confused here. A badly specc'd and less than L50 toon or one who has no ML's or arti's is likely to lose 1 v 1 to a lot of others (if they are awake, well specc'd and have a half decent template). So that is not a good comparison to be using or trying to quote as evidence to support your argument.

Chanter stun is not that much of a deal (then again I am not that experienced with mine in RvR) I am not saying it is useless but it is not the I win button you are suggesting. Having used mine a little there are other hib classes I wish I had levelled who have a lot more going for them.

 

[RandomDotCom]

a) My theurg is 48 earth spec for dragon raid farming and rr4

b) my valk is not ml'd, toa'd and rr2

c) seriously, grow up.

a) you still have bigger range than any caster, so don't give me that spec bullshit

b) charge = 5 points, then 10 points, you only need to be 2L5 to get charge 2, and you can be a rog monster valk and still kill casters as long as you have generally good stats

c) seriously, how about i am, you got a single minded point of view and no real arguements. you just pour out things that alb is underpowered blah blah.

i've played hib and alb, i've played an rr8 sorc/cleric (yes they were my own) and an alb grp shits on most hib grps. the fact that most albs are roleplayers and don't play their toons to full potential is what has made albs lose in the past.

 

[Belomar]

The differance between you and me is I pressent arguements for what I say to back them up.

I see no real arguments coming from you here, it's all on the level of "Albs have suckier classes so we deserve to zerg". The examples you quote are far from undebatable, either, but rather down to opinion.

For instance, Cabalists have nearsight, AE disease, and a stunning pet, that outweighs Chanter utility by a mile (stun or not). Hell, even Wizards have a nearsight now, making the realms even in this department (even though the Bainshee NS is pretty useless).

I could go on. What is a Dark SM or a Mentalist other than a watered-down Sorcerer? With SOI for escape, bolt-range AE mezz, the MoC+LT combo, nice nukes (regularly 400-500 on a 2.5 sec cast speed), Sorcerers has easily the highest utility in all of the realms, and is arguably (one of) the strongest class(es) overall.

See where this is heading? At the current state of the game, there are no clear-cut balance differences anymore. The only glaringly clear difference on the cluster is the population difference, and that one is difficult to affect.

 

[Kraben]

a) My theurg is 48 earth spec for dragon raid farming and rr4

b) my valk is not ml'd, toa'd and rr2

c) seriously, grow up.

Excuse me? He arguments for what he is saying then you tell him to grow up. Tell me where did you state the "obvious" that your mid toons werent templated/ml'ed?

Seriously you have a very narrow minded perspective of the 3 realms - just like other people have pointed out. Personal experiences of getting owned just doesnt justify any real inbalance except the voice from a sore loser. Just like in the 99% of the whine threads.

 

[Muylaetrix]

as ice wiz, baseline stun on a level 49 rr2 in rogs > better than me tbh.


if i had a high (5+) rr hib or mid, i would be playing that at the moment.

for people like stajjijjon, the currrent relic situation must be a dream, i mean, common, 40% more albs to kill, most in rogs, ungrouped, clueless and free rp.


and heretics are not the wonder class people make them to be.

they don`t add enough to the group to get a group, and the solo tics seem to prefer ae-dding stuff over zombie rezzing.

and half of the tics with 41+ rejuv suffer from smite cleric syndrome anyway (they let groupmates die when they could have healed and run oop while trying to play damage caster).

few decent tics out there really.

and yes sorcs are OP and they NEVER should have received their level 50 baseline lifetap.

They were albions best utility caster. mythic fucked up when they made them the most efficient damage caster in albion too.

 

[RandomDotCom]

Excuse me? He arguments for what he is saying then you tell him to grow up. Tell me where did you state the "obvious" that your mid toons werent templated/ml'ed?

Seriously you have a very narrow minded perspective of the 3 realms - just like other people have pointed out. Personal experiences of getting owned just doesnt justify any real inbalance except the voice from a sore loser. Just like in the 99% of the whine threads.

+1 rep

 

[Shike]

But getting back to the case in hand, yes sorc's are over powered, that is 1 class in a realm that still has the most classes. And the sorc is still no more powerful then melee immune BD's, SM's or unshearable Vamps or hib casters. Cabalists are no more powerful then chanters either and don't have baseline stun to boot.

Yes base line stun does not bother me to much, but im a heavy tank, and this is not about 'me' this is about realm balance and its no different for any other det tank. The minute I switch to my lowbie valk or theurgist of cause its a whole different matter and base line stun becomes the I win button, just like it does against many others.

And for the record I spend more time grouping these days then solo simply due to lack of time to play, and when im not im in midgard.

actually, sorcs are better than both BDs and SMs if played to its full potential, vamps arent even close nor are hibcasters. Eld is a solid caster but not as good as sorcs, I rate Eld as a top3 caster in the game, sorc comes first no doubt, then SMs and elds on a shared second spot.

Comparing caba to chanter is silly aswell, caba is a more potent caster and become more powerful the higher rank it gets. Major difference is LT with its hidden damagebonus aswell as a better pet, far better pet and also a nearsight, chanter is stuck with 1500 range which matters quite abit tbh, to further argument alittle, cabas are on a better damagetable, body is better than heatdamage, hands down. Chanter+eld can do some serious damage but its just not as good as Caba+sorc. Overall util and also damagewise alb is stronger in a basic comparison in the fundamental castercore.

Bains are nothing but a annoying caster with its taunt, they need a voideld to do some serious damage, u see many of those around? No, because voidelds sucks.

Vamps dont need buffs, sure, but then what? They are hardly an influence in realmwars. They are funky but thats about it.

Your lowbievalk is just that, a lowbievalk. How strange that you get ripped apart if its a lowbievalk, most toons at low ranks and levels are useless. Dunno why you even bring it into the discussion since its totally irrelevant.

Your theurg is one of the most powerful casters in the game if played well, there is nothing I fear as much as a good theurg tbh since they have the potential to screw things up to a degree where no other caster can match it anymore.

Baselinestun is very handy though, I wont deny that. I would much rather have a proper root that actually last for some time on pets and tanks though on my chanter, it would be of more use than a shortlasting stun usually.



Hib as a realm have a coreissue that is longstanding and seriosly hurt the realm, that is:

Bards.. bards have one form of CC, they have little or no way to properly interrupt without going OOM very very fast, their heals arent that much to account with and overall its a very difficult class to play actually. Hib have always lacked good bards and it is a problem and have always been. This is the mainCCclass in hibb, compare it to albs sorcs that are NEEDED to run a group, sorcs grow on trees in alb just because its easy to play and they have a heapload of util. Mid are just as bad, there arent many good paccies around and its also quite hard to play well. Alb have it a ton easier in this department for sure, no doubt, hands down, its a crucial difference.

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Healingwise druids and clerics and healers are pretty solid, healers are harder to find with the needed spec though, aughealer is so damn boring to play its crazy, probably the worst class in the game when it comes to funfactor. Druids are fun to play and so are also clerics, I have one of each rr5+ and I find them both to be solid. Healer though is a bit behind, their diversity is also a problem for mid overall. Grab a cleric and you are sure to know what you get, grab a healer and it can be anything from a mainCC to a pure healer/buffer. Diversity isnt always good you know..

Tankwise, well, end is crucial alb have tools for that now, 2k end on palas was all alb really needed for tanks to be effective. Palas got some proper love and are now rocksolid with some nice utility aswell.

BMs are a tad better than mercs but they aint far behind at all, what BMs have in styleutility mercs have in damage and also survivability, a merc is a harder kill overall than a BM, I have both rr5+ and I love my merc, one of the best tanks in the game in my book. Zerkers can be good but really need high ranks and can also pump out some serious damagebursts, overall I think BMs and mercs are a tad better though, savages are cool too but... DAoC as a whole is more casterorientated nowadays though which is a shame

Casterwise there is no better casterteam than the albmages, good ranges, good util and good damagecombos, the pets are a nightmare for a regular group aswell without specific tactics trained especially to deal with them. Sms are good in combo with runies, chanters are good with elds but sorcs+caba are just the best there is. Only thing I really havent played properly is a more casterorientated midgroup, Im sure it would work out ok but alb is stronger overall. Anyone claiming different just havent got alot of experience. Looking in RvR also gives hints, there are loads of little duos and trios+ with sorc as maincore. Its easy to play and also very powerful at the same time. No wonder we see sorcs everywhere.

Animists are good in keeps and bridges and hmm, thats about it. Look around, see many highRR animists out there? Bainshees as said are only solid thanks to their taunt and it has its limited use overall, tag em with a voideld that doesnt exist and they do good damage though.. Great isnt it? The ones whining about bains are just silly, cap body and get a cleric with yellow buff in group and bains arent much of a problem. We did some testing with bains and their damage is really not that special, only vs noobs who die fast to an eld or any other caster aswell since they have crapresists and no resistbuff, not even a CLbuff. I wonder why they die fast...

Stealtherwise heh, well, scouts are still a plauge in keeps and towers and pretty much everywhere, minstrels totally tips the balance in larger stealthwars and I think stealthers overall are quite balanced today, SBs got some love and they needed it. Rangers are nice at higher RR but so is most stealthers if played well. Scouts need parry imo and hopefully they get some similar love some day.

I missed out on some minor things here but Kagato, please, play all realms in solid groups to a decent rank, then come whine about balance mate, atm you just dont have a clue. Ive played all realms and against all realms in most situations you can come to think of and my experience tells me that the realms never have been closer in balance than they are today. I think that many albs are used to beeing RPcows from the old days and they are used to zerg to get something done, pure lazyness makes them follow same old pattern and some still believe alb is some sorta underdog that have to zerg, play better and just break the pattern for once and most albs will probably see that things aint so bad as they think it is. I've played alb enough to know what the realm is capable of, and it is certainly not unbalanced despite what old whiners like Kagato seem to think.

Shouldnt have to list things up and compare to left and right to know cores of the game like this imo. Core today is, game is as balanced as it will get probably, it has never been this good from all realms pov. Mid can perhaps use some keeplove of some sort and we will see what Mythic has in mind for Midgard in the future.

 

[Kagato]

I see no real arguments coming from you here, it's all on the level of "Albs have suckier classes so we deserve to zerg". The examples you quote are far from undebatable, either, but rather down to opinion.

Wether you agree with my arguements are not, it is still far far better arguement then just pouring the 'your just a biased narrow minded blah blah blah' insult crap you were using until now.

If you had actually stated a half decent debate back in the first place rather then petty insults like the rest of these children, i'd of actually taken your opinion half seriously.

a) you still have bigger range than any caster, so don't give me that spec bullshit

b) charge = 5 points, then 10 points, you only need to be 2L5 to get charge 2, and you can be a rog monster valk and still kill casters as long as you have generally good stats

c) seriously, how about i am, you got a single minded point of view and no real arguements. you just pour out things that alb is underpowered blah blah.

i've played hib and alb, i've played an rr8 sorc/cleric (yes they were my own) and an alb grp shits on most hib grps. the fact that most albs are roleplayers and don't play their toons to full potential is what has made albs lose in the past.

a) what good is range on a earth theurg? by the time your pet has killed the brittle, guard, blade turn and finally about to hit for the first time with their slow attack speed your still going to be stunned and nuked. If you catch them at clip range and are ready you *might* just get away with it. But this game will always favour instant abilities in caster wars.

b) Hence why I would actually agree with you about valks being powerful anti caster tools if templated and half decent RR. However until i've ml'd and done my artifacts im not going to change from pve ra's just yet, but as I already stated before this is *not* about me, this is about realm balance, lets try and stay on topic.

c) My opinion is no more single minded then yours or anyone elses here, but unlike you lot im actually willing to accept that, Our opinions disagree, that does not make either of us wrong, just equally stubborn, But at least I do not resort to insults in my first reply rather then try to prove a point I believe.

However your last statement is far from a fact and somewhat laughable, which realm you choose does not automatically decide how good or bad a player you are, and im amazed that anyone these days would still try to claim otherwise. You do not automatically gain l33t skills just because you picked the hammer instead of the cup. We're all human with the same potential playing the same game.

 

[censi]

if u played hib you would have a completly different opinion. fact.

and get that shit out of your sig ffs!

 

[RandomDotCom]

Wether you agree with my arguements are not, it is still far far better arguement then just pouring the 'your just a biased narrow minded blah blah blah' insult crap you were using until now.

If you had actually stated a half decent debate back in the first place rather then petty insults like the rest of these children, i'd of actually taken your opinion half seriously.




a) what good is range on a earth theurg? by the time your pet has killed the brittle, guard, blade turn and finally about to hit for the first time with their slow attack speed your still going to be stunned and nuked. If you catch them at clip range and are ready you *might* just get away with it. But this game will always favour instant abilities in caster wars.

b) Hence why I would actually agree with you about valks being powerful anti caster tools if templated and half decent RR. However until i've ml'd and done my artifacts im not going to change from pve ra's just yet, but as I already stated before this is *not* about me, this is about realm balance, lets try and stay on topic.

c) My opinion is no more single minded then yours or anyone elses here, but unlike you lot im actually willing to accept that, Our opinions disagree, that does not make either of us wrong, just equally stubborn, But at least I do not resort to insults in my first reply rather then try to prove a point I believe.

However your last statement is far from a fact and somewhat laughable, which realm you choose does not automatically decide how good or bad a player you are, and im amazed that anyone these days would still try to claim otherwise. You do not automatically gain l33t skills just because you picked the hammer instead of the cup. We're all human with the same potential playing the same game.

i'm sorry, i still don't see how you have made any valid arguments. you are basing it all on YOUR personal experience. As a whole, there is NOTHING underpowered about a valk, or a theu, or the mid/hib/alb classes as a whole. With continual changes, there are becoming fewer and fewer differences between the realms (thanes/valks going levi style anyone?)

all you have done so far is describe YOUR experiences. you haven't really compared facts.

you're valk sucks. good for you. you suck at playing theu ... well good for you again. maybe they aren't your calling? maybe you should play a sorc like everyone else. just cuz you can't play a certain class doesn't mean it's complete shat.

 

[Belisar]

but as I already stated before this is *not* about me, this is about realm balance, lets try and stay on topic.

But you are the one who brought up the fact that you felt chanters could beat up your toons and therefore that was reflective of the realm in general.

So you are the one who introduced the "you" factor.

I like Shike's post, it is a nice overview from someone who has played a lot of classes to a decent level. Makes sense to me.

 

[Belomar]

If you had actually stated a half decent debate back in the first place rather then petty insults like the rest of these children, i'd of actually taken your opinion half seriously.

The point is, these same old arguments have been beaten to death already, long ago. I am frankly sick and tired of balance discussions, because they are a moot point these days. That doesn't make my points any less valid.

 

[ebenezer]

But you are the one who brought up the fact that you felt chanters could beat up your toons and therefore that was reflective of the realm in general.

So you are the one who introduced the "you" factor.

I like Shike's post, it is a nice overview from someone who has played a lot of classes to a decent level. Makes sense to me.

agreed shikes post was very good made good arguments for most and i agree with almost everything he said tbh
read it through kagato cause thats as close to reality you can get

 

[Kagato]

if u played hib you would have a completly different opinion. fact.

and get that shit out of your sig ffs!

Geesh your so moody these days. Its summer and everyone is so grumpy lol.

i'm sorry, i still don't see how you have made any valid arguments. you are basing it all on YOUR personal experience. As a whole, there is NOTHING underpowered about a valk, or a theu, or the mid/hib/alb classes as a whole. With continual changes, there are becoming fewer and fewer differences between the realms (thanes/valks going levi style anyone?)

all you have done so far is describe YOUR experiences. you haven't really compared facts.

you're valk sucks. good for you. you suck at playing theu ... well good for you again. maybe they aren't your calling? maybe you should play a sorc like everyone else. just cuz you can't play a certain class doesn't mean it's complete shat.

Where did I ever state Valks were under powered? I thought they were a under estimated class long before they got any love FYI. All I said was that chanters could easily kill things other then a heavy tank with their abilities.

Nor have I made any comments about my theurg being under powered, if I wanted to play him properly in RvR i'd change his spec and equip him for it. He is not spec'd for RvR and I accept that, that does not mean enemy classes are any less good or bad just because im not spec'd for optimum rvr.

And to be quite honest, whilst your still having to resort to insults because you cannot make a decent arguement without them, I really couldn't give a damn what you think, come back when you have grown up a little.

But you are the one who brought up the fact that you felt chanters could beat up your toons and therefore that was reflective of the realm in general.

So you are the one who introduced the "you" factor.

No, I was accused of only looking at things from my armsmens point of view, I used my alts to point out that I do play a variety of other characters from casters to archers to mid alts. The 'me' factor was brought into it by belomar calling my view narrow minded due to only having so called solo tank experiance which is wrong and ignorant to assume such things of people he does not know.

The point is, these same old arguments have been beaten to death already, long ago. I am frankly sick and tired of balance discussions, because they are a moot point these days. That doesn't make my points any less valid.

Tired or not is no excuse for insulting people trying to have a debate who you simply disagree with. I used to remember your posts years ago as being usually quite witty, entertaining, insightful and carefree its sad to see how you've changed. Being so ignorant with people might not make your points invalid but it sure as hell makes people less likely to care what you think, myself included.

read it through

Not on a night shift thanks, way to much of an eye sore. Maybe after work.

 

[RandomDotCom]

And to be quite honest, whilst your still having to resort to insults because you cannot make a decent arguement without them, I really couldn't give a damn what you think, come back when you have grown up a little.

you obviously do give a damn because you keep replying. and you are no better - telling me to 'grow up'.

if you think that only heavy tanks can kill chanters, then please tell me, why, on my eld just (rr7 light spec) sorcs and wizzies were blasting me to pieces, with their bolt range crap etc. you CANNOT argue that 1 class is OP when ALL casters have the SAME ability to kill ANY other class.

 

[Belomar]

Tired or not is no excuse for insulting people trying to have a debate who you simply disagree with. I used to remember your posts years ago as being usually quite witty, entertaining, insightful and carefree its sad to see how you've changed. Being so ignorant with people might not make your points invalid but it sure as hell makes people less likely to care what you think, myself included.

Sorry about the insults, but it gets to me everytime people post from what I perceive to be such a limited point of view. Having played L50 TOA RvR in all realms on multiple servers, I think my view is a little less biased than many others. Balance discussions are so 2004/2005 (or earlier).

 

[Everz]

Chanter better then a cabby?!

ive played both so i dont have a biased opinion, but wtf man?

A decent cabby with make little work of a chanter anyday.