dont understand something

[charmangle]

Sigh...

Albs lived without any relics for most of Old frontiers..
Mids/Hibs are the first to acuse Alb of being the "schoolkid" realm, yet they are the ones that jump ship, stop playing when they have a disadvantage.
Funny that.

Im not sure if you understand this and just chose to ignore it or if its just beyond the even horizon that is your mind!

Anyway ill take a stab at pointing out, that its a huge difference between OF and NF. In OF it was possible to quickly retake things and do surprise attacks even with small forces. In NF it is not. There is instaport, doors that stand for ever and oils etc. Not to mention open castle solutions enabling ranged from above etc.

In one simple phrase: NF is just not the same as OF!

With that said...ofc the situation in OF wasnt good either...thats just why we really should try and not get the same situation back. The stupid comments of:"You had your glory days now its our turn." is just the death of Daoc. Not to mention the fact that Albs had their glory days with the introduction of NF (the first 3-4 months were completly dominated by Albs range) and Hibs had its hayday during middle time of NF (atleast on Prydwen not sure about excal though, think the Albs held on to that domination there. So by that argument Mids should have their time of OPness and relic hogging now not Albs!

/Charmangle

 

[ebenezer]

Even if they did balance all three realms to be an even population in all three realms it'll just mean albs always lose due to class balance. Currently albions only real advantage IS numbers and the classes are balanced according to this in most cases with diluted diversity.

Personally i'd happily trade a few hundred albs for baseline stun, instant CC, shrooms,chambers and 2 ST classes rather then just 1. :england:

Specially if I can pick the albs we get rid off...

As for the relic whine, as already mentioned, Albs suffered all of old frontiers for 2 years with hibs constantly in control of 3 power relics and most of the time with mids in control of all strength relics. I don't think albs held onto their own strength relic for more then a month at a time.

Did we threaten to quit or whine that hibs had won daoc? now we struggled on and the kids rerolled. Those same kids who are now whining because their fotm is now getting hit for 10% more damage.

cant really say the statement about not being balalanced is corect imo . I think all realm have this sickness about not being able to accept balance
from my point of view you have very strong classes...in both solo and zerg fights. You can even make up a whole fg out of sorcs and win more then half fights lol..say one class in hib you can do that with kagato? A while back i would considered mid up there with the warloc but nowdays i have no problems with mids...nothing out of the ordinary anyway. In solo you have armsmen/reavers/mercs that are all very powerfull there. So...nah...wouldnt agree that you are unbalanced at all. I dont compare spells/abilities..i make the comparison based on seeing the groups and solos meeting eachother ans from own experience. What i see is a striking dominance from albs even considering you are more.
Imo..
over and out..

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

yer like the noble albs have just stuck in there with dogged determination as their opposing realms adversary numbers have dwindled over time from the continued assault.

at least if you say it in RP speek it might be semi believable.

But if your not a bullshit kind of guy, you can say that the other realms are just fucked off with getting their nutz blasted off by forces twice as large.

mythic have known that realm balancing was an issue but they never really put in a decent system that actually ensured the numbers were reasonably balanced. hence we have what we have now.

Theres the same situation on glastonbury atm censi but with hibs having 2* alb numbers in rvr consistently and most of the relics most of the time - its not a unique problem and its not the players fault most of the time (except when they run 2fg on stick outside of a rr situation) its the way mythic designed the game and it's lack of autobalancing in any way...

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

cant really say the statement about not being balalanced is corect imo . I think all realm have this sickness about not being able to accept balance
from my point of view you have very strong classes...in both solo and zerg fights. You can even make up a whole fg out of sorcs and win more then half fights lol..say one class in hib you can do that with kagato? A while back i would considered mid up there with the warloc but nowdays i have no problems with mids...nothing out of the ordinary anyway. In solo you have armsmen/reavers/mercs that are all very powerfull there. So...nah...wouldnt agree that you are unbalanced at all. I dont compare spells/abilities..i make the comparison based on seeing the groups and solos meeting eachother ans from own experience. What i see is a striking dominance from albs even considering you are more.
Imo..
over and out..

Interesting opinion. However it is just that - an opinion. And its a wrong one since daoc is NOT a skill based game its an ability based game mainly these days - its about timers (active or immunity) and abilites and dps if we're totally honest about it.

Without getting on the baseline stun bandwagon lets examine something - sorcs have the longest range mezz, yes. However the minute you touch the mezzed target the mezz is broken. However, a 1500+ range stun with a 1-1.5 second cast time while buffed that allows you to dish out damage in excess of 2500 easily in the 11 seconds it lasts with toa bonuses against a spec resisted target (thats assuming its not a det tank).

NF is primarily about keeps and keep warfare so casters are by far the most desireable in a keep fight over tanks - your stun requires a purge to survive it. And unless we happen to have a stun to stop your quickcasting it on us...Any class except a heretic will be dead before the stun is over - even with a full DI behind it half the time.

Tell you what lets trade 100 albs for baselinestun, shrooms and 3 good AE nuking casters instead of albions (the wizard, which nobody in their right mind rolls now really), and see how you like that?

 

[Bondoila]

Tell you what lets trade 100 albs for baselinestun, shrooms and 3 good AE nuking casters instead of albions (the wizard, which nobody in their right mind rolls now really), and see how you like that?

I will gladly give albion 3 good aoe nukers and shrooms if the remove the lt from everyone and removes pet charm from the sorc which is something he has, which he never should have hade. Also remove the rr5 from the caba and give him same as the chanter.

If you by now haven't figuerd out that albion have the best casters your really stupid. And picking wizzard in your example is just :<. How bad is it if albion got one caster which isn't the best of all casters.

Sorc - soi moc lt 4 debuffs charm ml9 aoe bolt mezz single mezz amensia root aoe root.
Theru - root mezz chainstuning pets and up on all that can nuke really well also.
Caba - root, cc imune ml9 pet(chain stun) on speed, nearsight, can debuff his own nuke which is lifetap lol

Other retarded chars:
sm - lt moc intercept pet
bd - heal-pets, bl,twf, lt, 3 instas and alot more

 

[Tilda]

<bigbrotheraccent> Koonah, yue hae ben evicted from Albion, please leave the portal keep </bigbrotheraccent>

 

[Kagato]

such a fucked up one sided view kagato.

a tad clueless post tbh

If you disagree, please feel free to point out where im wrong as it looks perfectly true to me.

 

[Kagato]

Im curious what kagato's "bottom100" looks like :] .. gif a detailed list :]

Horner and all his bots would take up a good portion of it :touch:

 

[Kagato]

Class balance? I'm afraid that's just crap. The realms are evenly balanced these days. One would think an RR10 would know better, but I think you need a taste of L50 RvR in another realm to be enlightened.

Yes the realms in the larger picture are balanced but only in a realm vs realm point of view not in a class point of view, Albs are balanced in view of the larger population, soon as you put 2 equal sized forces against one another albs immediatly fail due to weaker classes and ability dilution.

Which is why I say if you evened out the population albion will immediatly become the under dog realm again.

And for the record im spending almost as much time in other realms these days as I am in albion.

 

[Kagato]

cant really say the statement about not being balalanced is corect imo . I think all realm have this sickness about not being able to accept balance
from my point of view you have very strong classes...in both solo and zerg fights. You can even make up a whole fg out of sorcs and win more then half fights lol..say one class in hib you can do that with kagato?

Banshee's, Mentalist, Chanters, Vampiirs and most likely anamists too.

 

[RandomDotCom]

Banshee's, Mentalist, Chanters, Vampiirs and most likely anamists too.

3 letters

LOL

 

[Void959]

All realms are quite equal at 8v8 imo. Hibs are the best at keep defense due to animists and PBAOErs being common, but albs as a whole very rarely use monsters effectively, at least they have that option which mids don't. And a FG of any class from any realm would get crushed by a decent enemy group.

 

[Magicthise]

All realms are quite equal at 8v8 imo. Hibs are the best at keep defense due to animists and PBAOErs being common, but albs as a whole very rarely use monsters effectively, at least they have that option which mids don't. And a FG of any class from any realm would get crushed by a decent enemy group.

I agree. I have played all three realms over the years, and most classes, and well lets face it regularly dying in RvR because of a zerg is just part of the game.

The other side of it is that experience teaches you which classes your particular toon shouldn't mess with in solo RvR. It would be a very boring game if every class had an equal chance of taking down every other class wouldn't it?

 

[Kagato]

All realms are quite equal at 8v8 imo. Hibs are the best at keep defense due to animists and PBAOErs being common, but albs as a whole very rarely use monsters effectively, at least they have that option which mids don't. And a FG of any class from any realm would get crushed by a decent enemy group.

Monsters are a rare and wonderful sight sadly.

Many heretics are not even spec'd for monsters now and those that are usually to busy trying to focus something to bother.

Then when there finally is a monster its usually some noob to dumb to realise he needs to die in LOS of the heretic to get re-rezzed again, so we end up with half the attack force dead by the lord and lose numbers with every rezz.

Good heretics are precious, and invaluble, but sadly rare, i'd love to see more in RvR, though i've been saying the same about necromancers for years

 

[Sharkith]

Monsters are a rare and wonderful sight sadly.

Many heretics are not even spec'd for monsters now and those that are usually to busy trying to focus something to bother.

Then when there finally is a monster its usually some noob to dumb to realise he needs to die in LOS of the heretic to get re-rezzed again, so we end up with half the attack force dead by the lord and lose numbers with every rezz.

Good heretics are precious, and invaluble, but sadly rare, i'd love to see more in RvR, though i've been saying the same about necromancers for years

Heretics look like the most interesting class I have seen for a while. Sadly it is not likely that I would be rolling one given that we only have one server in the UK now.

 

[Fatload BoysDoCry]

Mentalist, Chanters

Shocking but definately worth a laugh.

 

[Kagato]

Heretics look like the most interesting class I have seen for a while. Sadly it is not likely that I would be rolling one given that we only have one server in the UK now.

Agreed, i'd play one myself to try if I had more free time. As it is I barely have enough time to play 1 character.

Shocking but definately worth a laugh.

Try fighting maeloch sometime and you'll see how devasting they can be. 8 of those would be scarey. 1 is difficult enough.

 

[Solari]

Agreed, i'd play one myself to try if I had more free time. As it is I barely have enough time to play 1 character.



Try fighting maeloch sometime and you'll see how devasting they can be. 8 of those would be scarey. 1 is difficult enough.

You just mentioned the single and highest RR ment on the cluster... Not really a valid arguement that ments are overpowerred just because this one in particular floored you. I could say scouts are OP just because a single rr11 one is giving me trouble but that would be a too narrow minded point of view wouldn't it?

 

[Kagato]

You just mentioned the single and highest RR ment on the cluster... Not really a valid arguement that ments are overpowerred just because this one in particular floored you. I could say scouts are OP just because a single rr11 one is giving me trouble but that would be a too narrow minded point of view wouldn't it?

a) you claim I said they are over powered, I did not, I simply stated they were a good class that as a combination of 8 could win fg battles like the sorc. Mostly due to having X ST's as well as damage and many other nasty tricks.

b) I used him as an example, and floor me he hasn't, our fights have usually been even up until horleys leech mob adds as usual, and I look forward to a clean fight without adds one day.

perhaps read more carefully before you accuse people of being narrow minded.

 

[ebenezer]

Interesting opinion. However it is just that - an opinion. And its a wrong one since daoc is NOT a skill based game its an ability based game mainly these days - its about timers (active or immunity) and abilites and dps if we're totally honest about it.

Without getting on the baseline stun bandwagon lets examine something - sorcs have the longest range mezz, yes. However the minute you touch the mezzed target the mezz is broken. However, a 1500+ range stun with a 1-1.5 second cast time while buffed that allows you to dish out damage in excess of 2500 easily in the 11 seconds it lasts with toa bonuses against a spec resisted target (thats assuming its not a det tank).

NF is primarily about keeps and keep warfare so casters are by far the most desireable in a keep fight over tanks - your stun requires a purge to survive it. And unless we happen to have a stun to stop your quickcasting it on us...Any class except a heretic will be dead before the stun is over - even with a full DI behind it half the time.

Tell you what lets trade 100 albs for baselinestun, shrooms and 3 good AE nuking casters instead of albions (the wizard, which nobody in their right mind rolls now really), and see how you like that?

as i said i wasnt gonna go in to technicalities and compare spell cause that leads to nothing but trading what we have and what you have and vice verca and in end itsa moot point. My point was based on what i see in rvr and thats my opinion. Meet a group full of sorcs( which is most of the time) and over half of the time you and ur group is wiped. Also from a solo point of view i tell the tale of experience and what other soloers i talk to come across. You will with all likelyhood say im wrong since you are not dying to albs most of the times then( guessing ur alb). But i might listen a bit more from an objective mid or a hib saying the oposite
eb.

 

[Solari]

a) you claim I said they are over powered, I did not, I simply stated they were a good class that as a combination of 8 could win fg battles like the sorc. Mostly due to having X ST's as well as damage and many other nasty tricks.

b) I used him as an example, and floor me he hasn't, our fights have usually been even up until horleys leech mob adds as usual, and I look forward to a clean fight without adds one day.

perhaps read more carefully before you accuse people of being narrow minded.

I give up... simply... your beyond reason... either you don't want to or simply can't see the flaws in your arguements.

Personally I'm starting to suspect you of being one of those joining albion because you wanted the same as all the other albs, BIG BIG SHINY KNIGHT!

 

[ebenezer]

Banshee's, Mentalist, Chanters, Vampiirs and most likely anamists too.

not possible im a fraid kagato You cant make a fg of bainshees and expect them to survive very long....and i know they dont( in comparison to ur army of sorcs) Chanters...hmm...not really though quite powerfull caster solo. ments...lol......and vampiir ok maybe op solo against some classes.
eb.

 

[ebenezer]

a) you claim I said they are over powered, I did not, I simply stated they were a good class that as a combination of 8 could win fg battles like the sorc. Mostly due to having X ST's as well as damage and many other nasty tricks.

b) I used him as an example, and floor me he hasn't, our fights have usually been even up until horleys leech mob adds as usual, and I look forward to a clean fight without adds one day.

perhaps read more carefully before you accuse people of being narrow minded.

that aint happening though kagato...
Sure on paper and in theory maybe a fg of vampiirs could make a great group But reality is a big zerg or fg of sorcs with some tanks or healers running around wiping all in their paths. And especially now with your high numbers( due to people being cowards choosing their alb account instead of their mid/hib one, or just vecations or whatever^^) its jsut making me logg every single day lately in frustration cause you are loosing unfairly every night. If it stays like this i doubt you have many to fight after summer tbh...
over and out.

 

[Stallion]

atm in the game albs are ruleing in rvr.

Not sure what your definition of "ruleing" is!

 

[Straef]

I wouldn't mind having half the alb population moving to hib/mid, I'd actually have something to kill then I don't understand why people whine about having too many enemies. Sure, it's hardly fun having all of them at once, but it beats having too few enemies. There were a fair few hibs about tonight aswell (tho mainly rangers, it seemed..) and I made some nice rps by picking people off from keeps or towers (oposite to the zerg, before I upset someone ). Be happy that there's so many albs to farm

Not sure what your definition of "ruleing" is!

Dominating pvp areas, being on top of the /stats whatever listings, or just pushing back the other enemies in general, perhaps?
And that's regardless of the amount of people there.

 

[>.< Pooned]

You just mentioned the single and highest RR ment on the cluster... Not really a valid arguement that ments are overpowerred just because this one in particular floored you. I could say scouts are OP just because a single rr11 one is giving me trouble but that would be a too narrow minded point of view wouldn't it?

Its not the rr its not the single player

its a class with many oportunities and spells to use if u know how to u win

RR helps but its not all, the player matters and yes maeloch is a very good 1 although he is celt and i guess he loosing loads of dex rr can cap it though

 

[Straef]

You just mentioned the single and highest RR ment on the cluster... Not really a valid arguement that ments are overpowerred just because this one in particular floored you. I could say scouts are OP just because a single rr11 one is giving me trouble but that would be a too narrow minded point of view wouldn't it?

It just shows that they CAN be really hard, when played properly. I'm sure Maeloch or some other proper mentalist could do just as well at rr5-6.

 

[>.< Pooned]

It just shows that they CAN be really hard, when played properly. I'm sure Maeloch or some other proper mentalist could do just as well at rr5-6.

fyi mentalist's rr5 ability is more than overpowered but still can be treated well from a good player... selective blindness u can move but not hit the mentalist and he can hit u

ofc its not the end of the world

 

[Shike]

Even if they did balance all three realms to be an even population in all three realms it'll just mean albs always lose due to class balance. Currently albions only real advantage IS numbers and the classes are balanced according to this in most cases with diluted diversity.

Personally i'd happily trade a few hundred albs for baseline stun, instant CC, shrooms,chambers and 2 ST classes rather then just 1. :england:

Specially if I can pick the albs we get rid off...

As for the relic whine, as already mentioned, Albs suffered all of old frontiers for 2 years with hibs constantly in control of 3 power relics and most of the time with mids in control of all strength relics. I don't think albs held onto their own strength relic for more then a month at a time.

Did we threaten to quit or whine that hibs had won daoc? now we struggled on and the kids rerolled. Those same kids who are now whining because their fotm is now getting hit for 10% more damage.

tehe..

You dont get out much from alb I guess Despite that you say you do. Alb is a very competative realm these days. You just dont know how good it is it seems. Sorcs, cabas, tics are 3 really solid classes, mercs are damn good, clerics are solid and rest is so so, just like it is in hibb and mid. Play all realms abit more and perhaps you will be less biased than you are. I was surprised to see how biased you are, thought a highrank that plays more than just one realm would know alil more.

 

[islef]

Only if you promise to rvr more as a realm :wub:

I actually reckon we would, dont know if all the better mid grps are on vacation in real life or just hybernating in another realm <cough>, but not seen any of them around since we lost relics.
If you hand them over nicely i reckon we would come out and play, atm all grps i can get has an avarage of rr5 wich is not really a problem for me. But it gets facking tedious when you every single run bump into the alb rr7-11 opted groups with 10% dmg bonus to magic and melee after 5 mins max. That being said i really cant blame any mids for enjoying some action packed PvE or the real life where it is so hot atm that the birds seem to be wearing hardly any clothing. (In denmark that is ;p)