"DON'T ADD!!!"

[nol]

TO anyone saying that fullscale battles are much cooler and so on,

Give me a game engine that can handle the numbers, then let´s discuss that subject again.

We're talking about adding, not zerging. Adding is when another group joins in on your fight(keyword being joins). Zerging is when 5fg's run around together and break things.

 

[Behmoth]

You do know the meaning of a smily don't you?



As I said in my first post in this thread: ofc you are _allowed_ to, you are allowed to walk into a store and buy groceries for $1000 and pay it all in nickles too - but be aware that it doesn't necessarily make you very popular

And what do I care how much ppl sleep? ^^

here in england you can be refused if you pay over 30 pence in coppers before the store keeper can refuse it so can't pay £1000 in 1 pence and 2 pence as it isn't considered legal tenderable value

just my 2 peneth


i know its of topic slightly but couldn't resist

 

[Asha]

That´s what made me start play daoc tho....big battles.
So anyone telling me "don´t add" can pay my account every month and then they can tell me what i can do or not =P
Me add u long time!
/hugs

adding is not a BIG BATTLE, it's you zerging the fuck out of a fg
big battles are fun, that isn't the point at all

 

[Gordonax]

TO anyone saying that fullscale battles are much cooler and so on,

Give me a game engine that can handle the numbers, then let´s discuss that subject again.

To anyone who's machine can't handle it: get a better PC. I use a shitty 1GHz P3 machine and the only time it goes laggy is when you have 100+ people close by. 5fg vs 5fg I have no problems with.

Just turn off all the fancy graphics options and stop griping about the game engine.

 

[Maoni]

another witty **** who doesn't get it. The point isn't what the opposing realm wants you to do. It's what your OWN realmmates wants you to do. A more fitting example would be that a solo guy says at apk: I'm going after the relics, please don't follow me.

If someone tells you "don't add" implies that they can talk to you, which means that they're in your realm. They still don't pay your subscription so you can technically do what you want, just wanted to clarify that this has nothing to do with "respecting the other realms and fight fair", it's about helping your realmmates enjoying themselves by not ruining their idea of a fair fight just because you want that RR3 SO BADLY!

Oh i get it for sure, but go ahead and insult ppl for not thinking the same as you.
Btw...u add realmrank to the discussion...that has nothing to do with my point but i suppose u wanna add an argument or something.

u can flame as much as u want, I stand for what im saying and if you dont like it....tough luck!
thanks....

 

[Bracken]

now more seriously
really, if u think about it, isnt a fullscale war more fun than the 1 fg vs 1 fg stuff?
That´s what made me start play daoc tho....big battles.
So anyone telling me "don´t add" can pay my account every month and then they can tell me what i can do or not =P
Me add u long time!

Even fights are fun - whether its zerg v zerg, 1fg v 1fg or 1v1. Adding to an even fight on purpose is just mean. Sure its you who pays your account, no one can tell you what to do and we have all added from time to time - but paying to purposely piss people off when they've done nothing to you? I'm sure that aint what you want right? Of course if you make a mistake and someone gives you a mouthful then anything goes...

 

[stubbe]

Oh i get it for sure, but go ahead and insult ppl for not thinking the same as you.
Btw...u add realmrank to the discussion...that has nothing to do with my point but i suppose u wanna add an argument or something.

u can flame as much as u want, I stand for what im saying and if you dont like it....tough luck!
thanks....

I was merely commenting on the fact that your input had nothing to do with what was being discussed. If you indeed understand what the thread was about, your did a very poor job at showing it. The guy is complaining that his own realmmates are telling him to sod off, and you come speaking about some "always expect your enemies to be the same numbers as you are"-rant.

In my opinion(note the word 'opinion', right after the word 'my'), a fair fight is a fun fight. If that means twice our numbers in brehons/warders or a good guildgroup doesn't matter. If we're in a fair fight, and another realms group adds, I've stopped getting upset. Respecting guilds and people from other realms, however preferable, isn't required. However, respecting the wishes of your own realmmates is.

You said you like big fights, go find big fights then. 16 vs 8 isn't a big fight, nor is it "defending your realms honor", it's just a very poor excuse to get some easy rps.

 

[AtomicBattleHamster]

another witty **** who doesn't get it. The point isn't what the opposing realm wants you to do. It's what your OWN realmmates wants you to do. A more fitting example would be that a solo guy says at apk: I'm going after the relics, please don't follow me.

If someone tells you "don't add" implies that they can talk to you, which means that they're in your realm. They still don't pay your subscription so you can technically do what you want, just wanted to clarify that this has nothing to do with "respecting the other realms and fight fair", it's about helping your realmmates enjoying themselves by not ruining their idea of a fair fight just because you want that RR3 SO BADLY!

I agree with what you're saying to a point. You ruin it (and quite typically people show their true colours by tripping themselves up), but this little gem:

because you want that RR3 SO BADLY

Ouch, very anal of you to preach a common respect, only to not return the said "favour" yourself. Either you want to (and I'll quote your own words here) "help your realm-mates enjoy themselves" or not ?

For example:

That solo RR3 who add's in your fight might have only needed 20 rps to get to RR4, it might have been the first and last time they ever added or wanted to and you helped them by creating the chance for that to happen. So either you stick to your ethics of "helping your realm-mates enjoy themselves" or you do you mean "helping your l337 friends, who you only speak to in /gu or /as" - which is it to be ?

Nowt personal mate, but thats how you're coming across.

As for my personal opinions on the matter - each case is only as significant as the circumstances and people it invovled. Only natural human reaction to judge another by their actions, but not all intentions are selfish. I guess Im lucky that I can deal with that.

 

[AtomicBattleHamster]

For clarification I'am fully aware that we are discussing alot of this hypothetically.

 

[Jomfru]

Its Athom There Adds!!!1

 

[stubbe]

That solo RR3 who add's in your fight might have only needed 20 rps to get to RR4, it might have been the first and last time they ever added or wanted to and you helped them by creating the chance for that to happen. So either you stick to your ethics of "helping your realm-mates enjoy themselves" or you do you mean "helping your l337 friends, who you only speak to in /gu or /as" - which is it to be ?

Nowt personal mate, but thats how you're coming across.

As for my personal opinions on the matter - each case is only as significant as the circumstances and people it invovled. Only natural human reaction to judge another by their actions, but not all intentions are selfish. I guess Im lucky that I can deal with that.

The problem with this particular example is that I'm willing to help him up to the very point that he "adds". Most people know that my groups are big fans of the 8v8-style play so even if they don't immidiatly(sp?) recieve a "Don't add" before they engage they know that we do not wish for them to "help" us. And those who don't know are told so(semi-politely at worst) that we do not wish for them to do that. Believe me, I've gotten plenty of "Sorry mate, just trying to help." and that's fine.

This guy is openly saying that he wants to add, and is therefor, not my realmmate(even if he should happen to be in my realm, which he isn't). There's a big difference between wanting to "help your realmmates enjoying yourselves" and "help all realmmates enjoy themselves no matter the cost of your own enjoyment".

As for the last comment, I can live with the fact that you find it(and by that, me) elitistic or maybe even plain mean, but it's by no means hypocritical, which is what you're suggesting.

edit: might be some spellingerrors^^ english isn't my native language after all.

 

[athom]

Noonono short stuff never adds

 

[Z^^]

Well if you are a gimp with purpose, dont have sc dont have the right spec.. who can you blame but yourself... but ofc some of thise ppl want to rvr and have to run as zerg to be able to kill anyone, and do not hesistate to add because they dont see the thrill of fg vs fg fight as the ppl with scgear.

 

[AtomicBattleHamster]

The problem with this particular example is that I'm willing to help him up to the very point that he "adds". Most people know that my groups are big fans of the 8v8-style play so even if they don't immidiatly(sp?) recieve a "Don't add" before they engage they know that we do not wish for them to "help" us. And those who don't know are told so(semi-politely at worst) that we do not wish for them to do that. Believe me, I've gotten plenty of "Sorry mate, just trying to help." and that's fine.

This guy is openly saying that he wants to add, and is therefor, not my realmmate(even if he should happen to be in my realm, which he isn't). There's a big difference between wanting to "help your realmmates enjoying yourselves" and "help all realmmates enjoy themselves no matter the cost of your own enjoyment".

As for the last comment, I can live with the fact that you find it(and by that, me) elitistic or maybe even plain mean, but it's by no means hypocritical, which is what you're suggesting.

edit: might be some spellingerrors^^ english isn't my native language after all.

Firstly, do not apologize for your English mate, I cannot speak another language and would never judge someone on their spelling, punctuation or grammar, when I know nothing about them, anyway

You're right in your second sentence and I would not disagree there at all.

I guess my point, apologies for not making it clearer and for playing devils advocate, is that you could be inadvertently helping people when you may not realize it. One person who adds in your fight might have done so for one of a hundred reasons, and most certainly not all of them would be intentionally to abuse the unwritten rules of RVR. I'm by no means saying its right or wrong, just pointing out that what you see (even with your own eyes) is a limited interpretation of the whole event.

 

[stubbe]

I guess my point, apologies for not making it clearer and for playing devils advocate, is that you could be inadvertently helping people when you may not realize it. One person who adds in your fight might have done so for one of a hundred reasons, and most certainly not all of them would be intentionally to abuse the unwritten rules of RVR. I'm by no means saying its right or wrong, just pointing out that what you see (even with your own eyes) is a limited interpretation of the whole event.

You couldn't be more right. But in my post, I did not judge adders as a whole. My post was directed at a certain individual, who said adding was ok because he liked big fights

 

[Kalba]

To anyone who's machine can't handle it: get a better PC. I use a shitty 1GHz P3 machine and the only time it goes laggy is when you have 100+ people close by. 5fg vs 5fg I have no problems with.

Just turn off all the fancy graphics options and stop griping about the game engine.

And I have a AMD athlon 1.4Ghz and my comp shows me a slideshow when there´s 50ppl around

 

[Earath]

In my time in emain/odins i've come across all sorts, from those fg's who see your group pop a stealther and charge in, to those groups who leave it alone, to those soloers involved in a 1 on 1 who yell dont add!!!, to those soloers involved in a 1 on 1 whom you leave alone for them to die and scream 'FFS why didn't you help - n00bz!'
Then ofc there's the fg vs fg where another group adds because you look like you need it, and the fg vs fg where your group is pwning the other and a group of realm-mates adds, breaks your mezz and generally bolloxes up your fight, etc, etc - we've all seen things like this happen, so i wont labour the point.

I think the major problem is as follows, you're damned if you do and damned if you dont, because everybody has their own style and preference of play you're always taking the chance if you attempt to help, or if you leave what you consider a 'fair fight' alone, that someone will deem to 'take offence' at your actions. Take a deep breath and get on with it - this has been the case for years.

TBH i've given up getting upset about whether people 'add' on my groups fights or not - its a part of the game, which while not to everyone's taste, is inevitable when you have a lot of rp-hungry players running round a single zone. There is precisely bugger all you can do about groups 'adding' and i'm certainly honest enough to say i've done this myself from time to time, and very very occasionally, someone will thank you for saving their ass(es) - which is a nice feeling.

This ofc is simply my experience and opinion and any offence caused to persons living,dead or gimped is purely co-incidental.

PS this has to be one of the longest threads i think i've read on freddys

 

[Behmoth]

Well if you are a gimp with purpose, dont have sc dont have the right spec.. who can you blame but yourself... but ofc some of thise ppl want to rvr and have to run as zerg to be able to kill anyone, and do not hesistate to add because they dont see the thrill of fg vs fg fight as the ppl with scgear.

what is the right spec? thats crap! people may experiment to find a viable enjoyable spec what your saying is no freedom play like this or feck off

sounds like some 14 year old who has to be the best cos i am more uber than you

 

[nol]

Well if you are a gimp with purpose, dont have sc dont have the right spec.. who can you blame but yourself... but ofc some of thise ppl want to rvr and have to run as zerg to be able to kill anyone, and do not hesistate to add because they dont see the thrill of fg vs fg fight as the ppl with scgear.

You must have a seriously hard time in your guild.

 

[stubbe]

You must have a seriously hard time in your guild.

:bazbeer:
[GoL] 4tehwin?

 

[Kathal]

And I have a AMD athlon 1.4Ghz and my comp shows me a slideshow when there´s 50ppl around

Ghz only indicates how old your computer is. RAM, Graphic card, OS, configuration and so on, if things you should take into consideration too.

For the "don't add" part, there is a big difference between fixed/guild groups and random groups. You can’t hold ppl back you don’t know. They have a mind of their own and might think adding is ok. I have been in many fights where ppl in the grp I’m in add while the rest of the grp stops and tell them to stop. Not all listens, especially Troll zergers going in a frenzy

 

[Gordonax]

And I have a AMD athlon 1.4Ghz and my comp shows me a slideshow when there´s 50ppl around

Serves you right for buying AMD

 

[Tay]

adding is not a BIG BATTLE, it's you zerging the fuck out of a fg
big battles are fun, that isn't the point at all

Since there is no such word as Zerg the whole idea behind it is purely speculative and subjective.

Therefore, everybody has their own ideas as to what is zerging and what is not, I play the game to have fun and if thats adding on a FG vs FG then so be it, that is my perogative, It all boils down to "somebody perceiving that somebody has spoiled sombodies fun", gotta love words.

 

[Elewyth(TLSOA)]

cant believe this post is still going ffs.... heh ibtl +1 etc etc

 

[Tay]

Even fights are fun - whether its zerg v zerg, 1fg v 1fg or 1v1. Adding to an even fight on purpose is just mean. Sure its you who pays your account, no one can tell you what to do and we have all added from time to time - but paying to purposely piss people off when they've done nothing to you? I'm sure that aint what you want right? Of course if you make a mistake and someone gives you a mouthful then anything goes...

There is a million differant ways to look at it, somebody might activily seek to add, many archer types do it, yet they seem for the most part to be free from blame as "its all they can do", if thats how somebody wants to play so be it, I'll let them, I'll remember it but I'll let them do it. One day somewhere one will ask for a res or some help and somebody will say "Actually matey remember when you did this and that??" its all fair in love and war.

Dont get mad get even.

 

[Tay]

Well if you are a gimp with purpose, dont have sc dont have the right spec.. who can you blame but yourself... but ofc some of thise ppl want to rvr and have to run as zerg to be able to kill anyone, and do not hesistate to add because they dont see the thrill of fg vs fg fight as the ppl with scgear.

My Armsman is still wearing Epics he is 5L7 I think, frankly I cant be arsed to use the MP plate set I have in the vault, I have MP leather for my infil (6L2) that I still havent done, I have MP cloth from my cabi (3L7) that I cant be arse to sort out, nor my Necro 3L5 or my Cleric 3Lsummat

I've done ok with all my chars, so wtf are you to say I'm gimped?

wtf has my armour got to do with me having fun?
wtf gives you the right to tell me how to play?
wtf planet are you from?

Just as you want to play FG vs FG of which there is no basis for thinking that FG vs FG is the way to go or otherwise, somebody might wish to add or watch people smack the crap outa each other, its all subjective if you are getting wound up then YOU are the one with the problem not the people adding or whatever, Just think about that.

 

[Chiefthunder]

My Armsman is still wearing Epics he is 5L7 I think, frankly I cant be arsed to use the MP plate set I have in the vault, I have MP leather for my infil (6L2) that I still havent done, I have MP cloth from my cabi (3L7) that I cant be arse to sort out, nor my Necro 3L5 or my Cleric 3Lsummat

I've done ok with all my chars, so wtf are you to say I'm gimped?

wtf has my armour got to do with me having fun?
wtf gives you the right to tell me how to play?
wtf planet are you from?

Just as you want to play FG vs FG of which there is no basis for thinking that FG vs FG is the way to go or otherwise, somebody might wish to add or watch people smack the crap outa each other, its all subjective if you are getting wound up then YOU are the one with the problem not the people adding or whatever, Just think about that.

right on dude, if I wanna add I just do that, if I wanna lame I just do that, if I wanna run around in green cloth in emain yelling "Quack Quack" then I just do that ... feck em i'd say this is my account so I do whatever I feel like doing

 

[poky]

I agree with allmost everything stubbe says, however it should be made clear that NP are in no way saints when it comes to adding..

 

[Thaadi_]

right on dude, if I wanna add I just do that, if I wanna lame I just do that, if I wanna run around in green cloth in emain yelling "Quack Quack" then I just do that ... feck em i'd say this is my account so I do whatever I feel like doing

hahaa did you mean FoM about the green quack thing xDD?

 

[Asha]

Since there is no such word as Zerg the whole idea behind it is purely speculative and subjective.

Therefore, everybody has their own ideas as to what is zerging and what is not, I play the game to have fun and if thats adding on a FG vs FG then so be it, that is my perogative, It all boils down to "somebody perceiving that somebody has spoiled sombodies fun", gotta love words.

ofc there is a word zerg. because oed didn't put it in the dictionary yet doesn't mean it's not a word. zerg = to use greater (usually 2x more +) numbers of players to defeat your opponent. That is the meaning of zerg.

Just because something is your perogative, opinion, view, style doesn't make it less lame, disrespectful, or rude.

No one is saying you CANNOT, people are saying you SHOULD NOT.