Gwadien
Uneducated Northern Cretin
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Gonna be a devils advocate here, but surely if people -cared- they would get them off the drug completely rather than sort of encouraging them?They're going to do it anyway! Some will try and spin it into a discussion and an idea that it somehow condones drug use. wich simply is a load of bullcrap! Now with the risk of generalizing here, I'd say that often the people that hold that view, are often people who simply do not care what happens to people fighting with drug abuse, and they'ed much rather not have to pay for it (in thier own mind) thus they come up with silly stupid and narrow minded arguments, to justify thier own lack of human compassion.
/throws down the mic!
people fighting with drug abuse
Gonna be a devils advocate here, but surely if people -cared- they would get them off the drug completely rather than sort of encouraging them?
Maybe the shame and the prospect of death would give people a reason to stop
Just to add a small tidbit of info here, the States in the US that have legalised/semi legalised ganja have seen no boom in usage. VAST amounts of police time are freed up from having to pursue petty possession charges, too. I suspect this measure would be a net saving, frankly. Clean needles is less chance of infection and other related problems that the NHS ends up paying for anyway. Prevention is almost always cheaper than treatment.
Well, there's always the Brazilian approach.
Vigilantism? Of course it doesn't work.Does it work?
Many of the users are happy with their use just not what they have to do to supply that use - the more comfortable and easy you make drug use the smaller the percentage who want to give it up will get.
This attitude is why I want to move to 'Scandanavia'I'm sorry, but that's just not true.
And it would be just as easy for me to agrue that tougher conditions increse the amount needed and frequency for drugs to cope with life.
And I'd love to see any, and I mean ANY! evidence that would support your claim that a majority of hard drug abuseres" (as in the ones to whome these drug rooms are aimed at) are quote Happy with their drug abuse.
This is not about condoning, accepting or engcouraging drug abuse, it is however, all about making life that little bit more bareble for people in need.
For alot of these abusers, the drugs are a symptom "the tip of the Iceberg" and to them, it will stand as that one thing that they don't have to worry about any more.
That little bit of ease to help, a "first step" so to speak.
It's such a small and insignificant justure for society to give, and if you really care, and you really want to help these people ? then why deny them ?
and does it in any way, shape or form prevent you or anyone for that matter from taking steps towards halping these people off drugs ? I'm sorry but it's a silly and cheap arguement.
Because you have a drug problem! awww..This attitude is why I want to move to 'Scandanavia'
No, I mean, the equality and the caring attitude that the Scandnavian countries have, the closest thing that the world has to socialism, it's brilliant, not caring about their position on the 'powers of the world' bullshit.Because you have a drug problem! awww..
Olgaline said:It's such a small and insignificant justure for society to give, and if you really care, and you really want to help these people ? then why deny them ? and does it in any way, shape or form prevent you or anyone for that matter from taking steps towards halping these people off drugs ? I'm sorry but it's a silly and cheap arguement.
Maybe the shame and the prospect of death would give people a reason to stop
rynnor said:Weed and hard drugs are not particularly comparable though. In the end we need to decide whether we want to treat drug abuse as a disease or accept it as a lifestyle.
From that decision comes the solutions you would choose - you can see why politicians are so paralysed on it though.
Edit - plus you risk the 'Amsterdam effect' of drug tourism if you unilaterally legalise - even the dutch have decided they don't like that now.
I'm sorry, but that's just not true.
And it would be just as easy for me to agrue that tougher conditions increse the amount needed and frequency for drugs to cope with life.
And I'd love to see any, and I mean ANY! evidence that would support your claim that a majority of hard drug abuseres" (as in the ones to whome these drug rooms are aimed at) are quote Happy with their drug abuse.
Only in the south, Amsterdam is still fully embracing weed tourism, and long may it continue.
I still haven't seen a single compelling argument for why having a smoke is illegal, and I've smoked the stuff for about 10 years now. It's had a hugely positive effect on my life, previous issues with Insomnia and IBS are a thing of the past, I'm far more relaxed of an evening, and ggenerally much nicer to be around. I appreciate it's not for everyone, but if it is for you, what's the issue?
So you do want to get them off the drugs then? So how does giving them somewhere to shoot up advance that objective at all?
Most of them are escaping a crappy reality - unless you can radically change that reality then why would they give up? Their habit is all the really desperate ones have left having burned all their bridges with friends and family and with no job prospects?
All this move is about is getting them off the streets and decreasing the litter - don't think its about 'curing' them or treating them nicely - its just a sop to the majority who don't like to see them.
Raven said:You have an extremely narrow view on drug use and drug users, In most cases drug abuse is a symptom of the problem. The provision of drugs in a clean and controlled environment is the first step to getting off the drugs. These places can have professionals who can advise the users and offer support, far more so than some skag dealer in a filthy flat.
You have an extremely narrow view on drug use and drug users, In most cases drug abuse is a symptom of the problem. The provision of drugs in a clean and controlled environment is the first step to getting off the drugs. These places can have professionals who can advise the users and offer support, far more so than some skag dealer in a filthy flat.