Daoc gonna fade away?

[Kami]

EA stopped Ultima X ( now that looked groovy) just when it looked like a beta was ready to roll......and it looks like they moved the team over to UO...now wouldnt it be nice if they completely redone the graphics engine in UO ( sure does need it) so it fell in line with the likes of DaoC/Wow/ current games.. etc...I for one will get out my gm x 7 mage/provoker !

Must admit if they get UO graphically sorted out I might go back for a look

 

[Cmos]

Newah !!

 

[Stekkerdoos]

Argh everything i write i way to long. Ill try to keep it short now.
I have played daoc since the beta, quit a short while after i reached my first 50 char in retail and after that, i renewed my subscription a few times to see if anything has improved.

This i how I think about DAoC and WoW

DAoC is a long (boring) time consuming road to the endgame RvR. Which is not all that fun, and very frustrating if you cant keep up with items(especially ToA) and things like ML's. PL doesnt make it less boring just a bit faster, but is that what the game is supposed to be ? The only way you seem to be able to accomplish something in this game is to invest a LOT of time doing the same stuff and waiting/looking for the right things. Or you must have some high level friends and a big guild behind you, but even then...

WoW, from what i have read/experienced keeps you entertained constantly (quest, tradeskills and even the, at the moment, very unfinished PvP). Solo and grouped.

There will also be plenty of endgame content like heroes, AvH pvp all over the world, and RvR like pvp as in DAoC, they are also making a lot of high level raid content.

And for the people still bashing WoW pvp, at the moment there hardly is any PvP in as it is supposed to be. You might want to read this.

None of the follow is even in yet.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/pvp-article.shtml

Don't get me wrong, i loved daoc till i got my first 50 char and im sure for some people it will still be THE game to play. But i won't be playing DAoC anymore.

 

[Ctuchik]

to be honest WoW is going to be bigger....a LOT bigger...

also said when Horizons came out, when Lineage 2 came out, when CoH came out etc etc...... WoW isnt gonna be much bigger then any of the other failures... sure, game looks like fun but in no way do i concider it a "DAoC killer", not even close.

 

[Driwen]

also said when Horizons came out, when Lineage 2 came out, when CoH came out etc etc...... WoW isnt gonna be much bigger then any of the other failures... sure, game looks like fun but in no way do i concider it a "DAoC killer", not even close.

CoH and lineage 2 arent really failure, allthough lineage 2 might not be a real success. Also it should be obvious that CoH isnt close to being the same kind of mmorpg as daoc, it doesnt have PvP and the PvE is done very differently I heard.
No game will kill daoc, but the fact that other games who didnt have PvP, who arent based on a fantasy setting or just got released to buggy/to soon doesnt mean that a game with the same hype will suffer the same fate. WoW does seem to be reasonably bugfree, it is fantasy, it has PvP, so the question is will the game mechanics by as good/better than daoc and that might even more depend on what you like than on wether they are good/bad in general.

Basically just trying to say that claiming that wow will suck, because swg/horizon/etc did is just as stupid as believing that wow will rock just because it is hyped or because you believe that what the devs hope they will put in the game will be actually in the game and in the way you like it.

 

[cHodAX]

Might try it but am affraid it will turn out like all other Blizzard games, don't get me wrong they make great games but once they get a new "project" they will drop their last game like a brick (no more patches, fixes or 1 patch each year or something like that).
Happend to all their current games so I hope for their sake and ours they won't just ditch WoW when their new game gets developed.

Eh? They patched Diablo 2 not long ago and that has been out for years!

 

[Andrilyn]

That falls under the 1 patch each year Chodax, did you notice how many people had to whine, send emails, spam the forums and even protest irl at a Blizzard stand to get a patch for that game?
You can easily see how happy those people are by just reading some of the forums.
I for one would not keep on playing a game that gets hardly patched or get any new things in months and months.
And thats just talking about dropping their old games like a brick haven't even started about how they deal with the mass amount of cheaters in those games, sure they post a message with "we banned 3000 people!" then you just know theres 300.000 more people that still use those cheats, bugs, exploits etc, played alot of Blizzard games (still do) and that's actually what bugs me most about that company.

I for one will be waiting long after release before I will decide if I will buy it as I've seen the mass amount of American players who say they will go play WoW when its released and those are the worst kind of people I've ever met (just read the battle.net forum then you will soon know).
Now I know WoW will get a European release also so am actually waiting if Blizzard will host it themselves or give the rights to another company like Mythic did and I think if Blizzards going to host it we're getting a "European" server with the camlann effect so if that happends I will also not buy it.

 

[Jox]

Daoc gonna fade away?

yes

 

[Urme the Legend]

All games fade away, but Daoc will still live a very long time imo.

 

[Morchaoron]

also said when Horizons came out, when Lineage 2 came out, when CoH came out etc etc...... WoW isnt gonna be much bigger then any of the other failures... sure, game looks like fun but in no way do i concider it a "DAoC killer", not even close.

i played lineage 2, the pvp combat system was very good but the game itself was plagued by some... 'things'.

1. Not cheat proof - some players made enormous amount of cash by duping and the GMs couldnt catch them all (infact only a few)
2. Chinese botters - some rich chinese guy hired 10 others for $2 an hour and let them play lineage and ebay all the money they earn for loads of $$$, these chinese farmer were camping loads of newbie exping grounds and killing the newbies who tried to come there too...
3. Too much PvE need till PvP - it takes ages and ages to get to a high level, it has a terrible korean mentality: grind grind grind grind grind grind grind, level 31 -> 32 is about the same as 49 -> 50 in daoc (and the max level is 75!!)
4. Death causes you to lose a few hours worth exp, and death can come quiet easily with a bit of lag or sleeping groupmembers...

but the combat system was awesome compared to daoc
1. Interesting landscapes and very clear graphics (no fighting inside treestumps and a good long clipping distance)
2. You cant see a not-grouped players health
3. Collosion detection
4. Attacking someone in melee forced /stick, so no semi-exploit strafing & other LOS lagtricks
5. Casting a spell forced /face, and you will never have 'out of view' bullshit because you were looking at him but the game thinks you were not...
6. People had lots of hitpoints and mana, causing pvp battles to last much longer and making it more interesting because you cant see their health


nice game, but the amount of pveing you need to do screwed it up for me (it is silly for a game so focused on pvp)

 

[Driwen]

That falls under the 1 patch each year Chodax, did you notice how many people had to whine, send emails, spam the forums and even protest irl at a Blizzard stand to get a patch for that game?
You can easily see how happy those people are by just reading some of the forums.
I for one would not keep on playing a game that gets hardly patched or get any new things in months and months.

uhm the expansion got released in 2001 and very few singleplayer(/no fee per month) games get patched for 2 or 3 years. Now for content that is the same thing, it isnt a mmorpg you dont pay one dime to the company to keep them working on the game. So after the game has been released most bugs(/all bugs) have been fixed, very few companies look at the game at all let alone deal with cheaters/releasing patch 3 years after release. Unless they keep releasing expansions, but even after a while you need to get a new graphic engine into the game which means starting from scratch.

What you basically want is that Blizzard would have treated Diablo like it was a mmorpg, while providing free expansions having a real active policy against cheaters. While no one was actually paying them to do that, they dealt with some cheaters, but it is most likely not easy to deal with cheaters who are playing on their own servers (not that easy to see in non existant logs what the person did).
In CS or other fps the company who made the game isnt responsible for stopping cheaters (atleast apart from trying to make the game reasonable cheat proof), it is the admins on the servers who kick possible cheaters and the community for making sure other admins know that person cheated.
Most games only get patches in the immediate 3-5 months after the game release and after that maybe players make patches themself, but the company doesnt. If you still have a bug tough luck, try to find a way to prevent it.

I dont know wether blizzard will deal with cheaters or wether they will patch correctly, but you cant say they didnt do it on a non fee per month game so they wont do it here where they actually get payed to do it.

 

[Lian]

also said when Horizons came out, when Lineage 2 came out, when CoH came out etc etc...... WoW isnt gonna be much bigger then any of the other failures... sure, game looks like fun but in no way do i concider it a "DAoC killer", not even close.

WoW is on a completely different scale than either of those two (maybe Lineage 2 in Asia, not sure). They're talking about getting enough servers in the US alone for 400000 active accounts. If you don't think that's going to take a significant amount of players away from DAoC you're tripping. My guess is that the active population in DAoC will drop by 50% at release and probably 33% or so after 3 months of WoW being out. This will kill small realms, and more people from those realms will leave, thus slowly killing the server till there's just te zerg faction left.

 

[Gear]

If DAoC ever get's rid of the pve grind, will manage to keep me. Otherwise...

 

[Esoteric]

Through the amount of preperation and fine tuning blizzard are working on, it will not be another SWG. It seems also they have become very aware of the player gripes and are sweating their arses off to ensure wow will be different. By providing direct european servers not run by a 3rd party they will remain in direct control with various benefits from that.

DAoC has improved a tremendous amount. I don't mind mls as a time sink but levelling items on monsters from a specific area is mind numbingly dull. If you are levelling said items in a popular si dungeon you are also replacing lower level people in groups so they don't get xp.

By playing an mmo you enter into a life cycle in DAoC it seems to be 1 to 2 years. So currently you have a mature population who are growing bored of the game and certain repetitive features looking for something new. Combined with the low or poor advertising and sometimes in certain cases availability you don't have the people to replace the ones leaving. Heck in the mid-older days of the game a new char could pick up a group no problem now lower level xp spots are all but ghost towns with tumbleweed floating by, DAoC is now one of the hardest and lonesome games for a new character to start playing and unless they have an extreme resolve they won't stay for long.

Certain things annoy me beyond belief one of them being the fact that on UK normal servers I cannot play the extra 1/3 of the map I wanted to play i.e the 3rd realm. We have prydwen and excaliber so by being an english customer paying the same as everyone else I cannot play the extra 1/3 of the game on a server type I would like to. Camlann is a no go for me, for various reasons, however I would consider having fun on one of those all realm friendly servers. Now I know according to GOA the UK population cannot support a 3rd server and they constantly point out that camlann is in english so thats our 3rd server which isn't the same thing. If we are to play on only two UK servers charge the UK 1/3 less.

Bar literally 1 or 2 people all my ingame friends and people I randomly talk to are moving to WoW. Almost the entire of my original LOE crew will be moving to WoW which make it doubly attractive to me.

Some people who are negative towards WoW think that elite children with a "must have attitude" will ruin the game. I tend to think that these sterotypes will play the game but will do their best to get their grubby hands on the US release, wait for Euro and you'll have a fun mature community much like the original days of DAoC which are long gone but never forgotten.

There is no doubt I have enjoyed DAoC and will continue to do so for a while. For the time being at least it will remain top mmo of Europe. However I expect this picture to drastically change by the end of next year.

Kind regards
Eso

 

[Driwen]

Some people who are negative towards WoW think that elite children with a "must have attitude" will ruin the game. I tend to think that these sterotypes will play the game but will do their best to get their grubby hands on the US release, wait for Euro and you'll have a fun mature community much like the original days of DAoC which are long gone but never forgotten.

thing is those irritating people will always be in every game. Some people would reason that you would find them more in PvP games, but I doubt thats true just as much as I think the leet acting people will still be in europe wow and will also remain in daoc.
The leet acting people might also want to play on europe as they are on at european times so want to play then or they can not be bothered to import it.

Basically there is usually not many of them around and just ignore the few and you will enjoy the game more (there will always be people who abuse broadcasting channels for one on one chat, people scamming others or dunno what might irritate you). There might be an actual way to prevent leet/noobs (the ones who you tell to use styles 5 times but still dont) joining on your server, but I am just saying that you shouldnt hope that they will and expect that they are around and just learn to live with it. Just play the game, because you either like the game or because your friends are playing it and you like playing with them, dont plan on playing a game because you expect there wont be idiots around(as there will be:/).

 

[Weylander]

EQ2 for me, had a go on friends beta account and it rocks.

So on EQ2 release /bye Daoc and /bye to cheatin lameass Buffbots

 

[Nimah™]

EQ2 for me, had a go on friends beta account and it rocks.

So on EQ2 release /bye Daoc and /bye to cheatin lameass Buffbots

Buffbots aren't cheating. Then again you don't have a 50, get a clue

 

[Weylander]

Buffbots aren't cheating. Then again you don't have a 50, get a clue

Hehe thats cos i only play now and again, xp grind time sink does not really appeal to me, got other responsibilities that you won't know anything about being a child

So as far as i am concerned BBs are a cheat/exploit/lame. That may be why lots of people seem to be heading to WoW and not EQ2, no chance of Buffbots on EQ2.

 

[Morchaoron]

EQ2 for me, had a go on friends beta account and it rocks.

So on EQ2 release /bye Daoc and /bye to cheatin lameass Buffbots

its not cheating, its a smart marketing trick by mythic, they have always intended buffbots, its their subtle way of saying "want more power? pay more money!!!"

btw you can have a 'helping characther' in practically every mmorpg, they speed up the pve process by 500% or smt usually

 

[Ormorof]

Hehe thats cos i only play now and again, xp grind time sink does not really appeal to me, got other responsibilities that you won't know anything about being a child

So as far as i am concerned BBs are a cheat/exploit/lame. That may be why lots of people seem to be heading to WoW and not EQ2, no chance of Buffbots on EQ2.

buffbots are not cheats, radar for example is a cheat, as it is a third party program, using a bug that allows you to kill mobs without them hitting you is an exploit, as you are using a flaw in the coding. buffbots is using a 2nd copy of the game, and therefor not a cheat (for example, it may be unlikely but someone may be actively sitting there buffing you!).

and no i dont like buffbots either, but im quite happy to use one because it means i die in 10 seconds rather than 2, and for PvE it saves alot of time/frustration.

anyway, bring on WoW (will have to pay for 2nd account anyway as brother will probably beg me to pay for him )

 

[Weylander]

Will leave it at that, difference of opinions and don't want to start another buffbot thread.

 

[Lian]

There doesn't seem to be an obvious "buffbot" class in WoW. All the diferent buffs are spread over all the chars, so you'd have to 6 accounts on the go if you want all buffs.

 

[harm]

Are all whines connected to daoc, and daoc only? Is wow such a gamers paradise, which all decent players will attend to, while all the bad parts reside within daoc?

Just afew thoughts. I find it funny. The grass is always greener on the other side...

 

[Ormorof]

Are all whines connected to daoc, and daoc only? Is wow such a gamers paradise, which all decent players will attend to, while all the bad parts reside within daoc?

Just afew thoughts. I find it funny. The grass is always greener on the other side...

yes, thank god we arent colourblind eh?

i think what alot of people who play DAoC atm who want WoW is something NEW, something DIFFERENT, something other than the stuff they have done to death for the last 2-3 years

thats one of my main reasons for being excited about WoW

 

[harm]

I rest my case

 

[Breon]

Can't wait to take up the fishing skill

 

[Indio]

WoW or EQ2??

Whatever anyone says, DAOC is old and worn out and people will try these games for their newness alone. Personally I can't wait for WoW and a change of scenery.

DAOC has changed so much and not for the good IMO (ToA, yuk!).

NF soon to be released - new hat, same old clothes.

Catacombs next - final attempt by Mythic to retain customers then .........

Imperator - the demise of DAOC as development resources are totally commited to the 'new' game.

(p.s. anyone know what the state of play is with Imperator?)

 

[Maghica]

The 'thing' that keeps me in DAoC is .... the friends and the memories. I remember fondly my first -Hun Tress- hitting lvl 19 was like the end of the world strutting around Gna, showing of my new pet! The first time I entered AvalonCity with my scout, all that fog, those ugly fishes and then trying to get to the sewers with a fg ...

Now , settled in Midgard, I don't play as much anymore and my crafters are at their peak, I have a nice house and some good friends and a warm and friendly guild where we still have fun together.

...and yes, I may try out WoW at least for a month, see what it is all about...have some fun, try out some of the classes and ...go fishing!

But in the end I'll come back to Midgard
:wub:
Home is where the heart is ... and my heart is in Camelot at least untill this hits us:Imperator

 

[Necroscope]

Cant really see what's so fantastic about WoW , maybe they have good idea's etc but only to see the cartoonish made for minors graphics makes me shiver

 

[popa]

i will test it maybie same as SWG
but is other based by lvl ppl need skill games soo after release i move too http://www.realmsofkrel.com/