Politics Coronavirus

[Bodhi]

Wow. A 16% increase - an extra 873 self-inflicted deaths. Covid polishes that shit off in a morning.


Love to believe that wouldn't you. It's the only straw you've got left to grasp at really. But given viruses across the board are taking a panning (flu, norovirus, STDs, yadda yadda yadda) it seems that Occam's Razor is appropriate here.

5% of historical levels of flu suggest, even if competition is a factor, that lockdowns are working very very well - and the handful of deaths from all other sources simply pale in comparison to the deaths we're preventing using lockdowns.

My wife's family had to bury a 23 year old due to a self inflicted death brought on by lockdown, so I'm really struggling at this point not to think you are a massive cunt, effectively @Job with a copy of Das Kapital.

I was going to compose a further reply at this point, detailing research on the collateral damage of the restrictions and how ultimately deaths from the restrictions through missed treatments, suicides, drug overdoses would probably end up outnumbering those from COVID but nah, you'd probably just hand wave those deaths away as well like the piece of smegma that you are.

 

[Bodhi]

I'm guessing this is all fine as well is it?

Coronavirus doctor's diary: We're getting self-harming 10-year-olds in A&E

More children are self-harming or taking overdoses, and at younger ages, says doctor John Wright.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

My wife's family had to bury a 23 year old due to a self inflicted death brought on by lockdown, so I'm really struggling at this point not to think you are a massive cunt, effectively @Job with a copy of Das Kapital.

That's a different argument completely. And I am sorry for your loss.

The "but" here doesn't diminish that - but my mum buried my father when I was 4 as part of a significant number of road deaths a year and, like you, seems to have lost all perspective and ability to judge sensibly.

Frankly, it's obvious that covid lockdowns are saving many more lives than they're killing.

If lockdowns were killing more people than we were saving then we'd stop the lockdowns. Immediately.

I was going to compose a further reply at this point, detailing research on the collateral damage of the restrictions and how ultimately deaths from the restrictions through missed treatments, suicides, drug overdoses would probably end up outnumbering those from COVID but nah, you'd probably just hand wave those deaths away as well like the piece of smegma that you are.

Detail them @Bodhi. Do it. We've got the figures. We know how many lives we're also saving by locking down. (Lives that you dismiss as "projections" that "aren't really in danger" because you've been blinkered on this since day 1.)

Lets look at the cold hard facts. - and they're called cold hard facts because they don't cater for the emotional trauma from the loss of your family member - but they do show that we're stopping way more people suffering that exact same trauma than if we'd not locked down.

 

[Scouse]

I'm guessing this is all fine as well is it?

Coronavirus doctor's diary: We're getting self-harming 10-year-olds in A&E

More children are self-harming or taking overdoses, and at younger ages, says doctor John Wright.

www.bbc.co.uk

No. It sucks.

But better a small number of self-harming ten year olds than hundreds of thousands more deaths.

(And guess what - lots of kids are also pushed into self-harming when family members die. - what about the mental health effects of NOT locking down?)

 

[Bodhi]

No. It sucks.

But better a small number of self-harming ten year olds than hundreds of thousands more deaths.

(And guess what - lots of kids are also pushed into self-harming when family members die. - what about the mental health effects of NOT locking down?)

The prosecution rests.

 

[Scouse]

The prosecution rests.

And the judge throws their case out as obviously ludicrous.

Probably puts the costs against them too for bringing a frivolous suit.

 

[Moriath]

The drink themselves to death instead:

Alcohol deaths hit record high during Covid pandemic

The figures for England and Wales cover the first nine months of 2020.

www.bbc.co.uk

Flu has disappeared everywhere, even places with very light restrictions (Sweden, Florida, South Dakota) so it's probably more a case that COVID is simply out competing it rather than anything particular we're doing - although I'm told norovirus has disappeared as well, now hand washing is actually a thing.

It was a non serious quote from giles corans telegraph column. Nothing fact checked in it

 

[Wij]

What? The? Fuck?


View: https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1356904251864330240

 

[Raven]

I'll have you know her husband is a Tory MP, therefore she is the best person for the job.

 

[Moriath]

What? The? Fuck?


View: https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1356904251864330240

Cant predict what the mutations would do. But can that there would be some

 

[Raven]

That is not what she said though... she said "None of us were able to credit" coronavirus would mutate.

 

[Tay]

Ah the joy of the interwebs and the poetic license used (presumably) to get lots of words into a small twitter bite thats damning.


Dido Harding said:

"It’s entirely understandable that everyone wants there to be a single, clear and straightforward route out of the Covid crisis. I think it’s very tempting to view ... that test and trace stands single-handedly to prevent the virus spreading, and lockdowns coming.

But actually we are part of an overall system ... Test and trace is only one of the elements that enables us to fight Covid. We are not the single silver bullet.

Between that business plan being published and us going into the lockdown that we are in now, we’ve seen the virus mutate. We have seen the new variant emerge, which was something that none of us were able to predict."

To me the key there is the wording that some have chosen to omit "..the new variant emerge". Not A new variant, THE new variant.

 

[Moriath]

That is not what she said though... she said "None of us were able to credit" coronavirus would mutate.

She didnt really say that in context

 

[Wij]

I really don't see that it makes a difference.

 

[Raven]

She didnt really say that in context

Yes, yes she did. The virus mutating to be "bad" would be top of the list of things to plan for...and expect.

Not that the Tories actually plan for anything, winging it seems to be their mantra.

 

[Scouse]

I really don't see that it makes a difference.

Yep. Mutate and emerge. What the fuck else of entirely predictable things hasn't she bothered to cater for?

I suspect it was just some "lets say this shit to deflect from the fact that track and trace has been measurably shit" bullcrap tho...

 

[Moriath]

Yes, yes she did. The virus mutating to be "bad" would be top of the list of things to plan for...and expect.

Not that the Tories actually plan for anything, winging it seems to be their mantra.

The virus can mutate in infinite number of ways. You cant prepare for that. You can spend millions preparing for a mutation and its effects are completely different and not prevented by what you have done. Then you spent millions of public money on stuff that isnt necessary.
with infinite monkeys we can prepare for every eventuality. Sometimes you have to wait and see what happens and react to it.

 

[Gwadien]

The virus can mutate in infinite number of ways. You cant prepare for that. You can spend millions preparing for a mutation and its effects are completely different and not prevented by what you have done. Then you spent millions of public money on stuff that isnt necessary.
with infinite monkeys we can prepare for every eventuality. Sometimes you have to wait and see what happens and react to it.

What do you mean?

You are aware prior to the pandemic we had lots of scientists that are testing areas constantly (especially bats) for different viruses and diseases.

Personally, I'd rather trust people that have dedicated their lives to this kind of shit so when they say 'we should worry about this now' that's the right time to worry about it.

I'm fairly certain that the majority of these people won't say 'let's lockdown' lightly and are aware of the side effects of a lockdown and they wouldn't do it for some kind of power trip.

That's why most of these scientists backed lockdowns very early on, because they're fully aware that more a virus spreads, more it mutates with it an increasing higher chance of it being something nasty.

 

[Scouse]

The virus can mutate in infinite number of ways. You cant prepare for that.

You can prepare for obvious scenarios (higher virulence, higher mortality, higher transmissability) - but frankly, she's head of track and trace - so that doesn't change.

Why isn't track and trace working?

 

[Moriath]

You can prepare for obvious scenarios (higher virulence, higher mortality, higher transmissability) - but frankly, she's head of track and trace - so that doesn't change.

Why isn't track and trace working?

Cause its shit. And compliance is asked not required

on a different subject.

Why is the government relying on nudge theory to fight coronavirus? | Tony Yates

It would be good to know the evidence for the UK strategy – which is starkly different to that of other countries, says Tony Yates of the Resolution Foundation

www.theguardian.com

 

[Moriath]

Covid: Woman fined £10k over Ormskirk 'student birthday party'

Police issue fines totalling more than £17,000 over an illegal gathering at a house in Ormskirk.

www.bbc.co.uk

this made me laugh

the comment the lady fined about 10k party not being worth It. Why did she organise it then haha

 

[Raven]

Cause its shit. And compliance is asked not required

on a different subject.

Why is the government relying on nudge theory to fight coronavirus? | Tony Yates

It would be good to know the evidence for the UK strategy – which is starkly different to that of other countries, says Tony Yates of the Resolution Foundation

www.theguardian.com

Remind me who is in charge of track and trade again?

 

[Yoni]

Sweden just announced we will be like this for a while longer to prevent third wave. We have shut our boarders only letting those in with a negative test under 48 hours old. The metrics are good right now with the disease in a slight decline and Stockholm health back working on normal time. It looks like we will be working from home until late spring with the new entry restrictions n place until that time at the least.

 

[DaGaffer]

Just cancelled our (already deferred for a year) summer holiday At least no-one argued about the refunds.

 

[Embattle]

They reckon Cornwall and Devon will be rammed this Summer.

 

[dysfunction]

They reckon Cornwall and Devon will be rammed this Summer.

good places to avoid then!

 

[Moriath]

good places to avoid then!

Rather hard when you live here. I might go holiday in stoke for 6 weeks in the summer lol

 

[Scouse]

Rather hard when you live here. I might go holiday in stoke for 6 weeks in the summer lol

I'd rather an indated wet Cornwall than Stoke on a sunny day m8. Outside of Mertyr Tydfil it's one of my least favourite places.

And like @Wij - I've lived in Bradford

 

[Scouse]

Black over-80s in England half as likely as white people to have had Covid jab

Ministers criticised for failure to act as figures show huge racial disparity in vaccinations

www.theguardian.com

This isn’t about vaccine refusal, because that very rhetoric implies that these communities are doing something wrong, it’s their fault somehow

Whilst I sympathise, a fair chunk of me says "yeah, you are doing something wrong, really".

And this might actually be a sensible, pragmatic thing:

Channer urged the government to allow a black-led independent expert taskforce to have oversight of the vaccination process to raise black confidence levels. He also called for urgent research to be conducted on whether the black community would be less hesitant if black experts had oversight.

But again, a chunk of me says: if a black doctor tells me I need to be vaccinated, I get vaccinated. Because he's a fucking doctor - and it's nothing to do with his skin colour.

But YMMV. I'm not outraged. I'm just sad

 

[Moriath]

I'd rather an indated wet Cornwall than Stoke on a sunny day m8. Outside of Mertyr Tydfil it's one of my least favourite places.

And like @Wij - I've lived in Bradford

Yeah i wont be going anywhere. To be fair stoke was the worst place i could think of lol