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This. Measurably. 100%.
Dont think anyone is saying the handling is a job done good.

just why do we get a post saying 20k each week. Whats the idea behind doing it? Whats it changing by saying that?
its almost like job bringing someone of colour into all his posts somewhere.
 

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There should be an acknowledgment that the number of deaths is too high specially in the UK - which they are @Moriath - if you can agree with that @Scouse may stop berating you - if you give a shit about what he says.... if you don’t - do not bother
 

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There should be an acknowledgment that the number of deaths is too high specially in the UK - which they are @Moriath - if you can agree with that @Scouse may stop berating you
This.

But he's still saying the Tories 'couldn't help it' for whatever reason.
 

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There should be an acknowledgment that the number of deaths is too high specially in the UK - which they are @Moriath - if you can agree with that @Scouse may stop berating you - if you give a shit about what he says.... if you don’t - do not bother
I dont think i have denied that the number of deaths are too high and they should be a lot lower.

i havent said that the torys have done everything right. I have been openly critical of some things. I have tried to see the tough decisions being made and the reasons they were made and not others.

anyone who thinks 100k deaths is a good thing is weird no?

im saying to that statement from chris whitty is what everyone would have wanted. In fact everyone would have wanted 0 deaths.

so we dont have to post 20k and 120k any more?
 

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so we dont have to post 20k and 120k any more?
Nah. Nothing in your post even attempts holds the Tories accountable for their shitshow - accountable even to their own measure.

It's just hand-wringing "nobody wants 100,000+ deaths". Of course, nobody does want that. But the Tories caused them and are responsible for them and your posting history continues to apologise for them.


On a wider point - they're improving in the polls. So it's not just you - it's the whole country. Countless idiots giving clear mismanagement a free pass because they were lucky to have spunked loads of cash on a vaccine - despite the Tory Party's culpability for a crisis that in an equivalent timescale has caused triple the number of British casualties than the Blitz.


So no. Until I see a reversal of the mindset that the Tories aren't entirely culpable of this shitshow I'll continue to post stuff that's critical of them. It's your choice if you want to continue to get offended by that criticism. But I think posting of a meme, or a fact or two, in the face of 120,000 deaths is the least that can be expected, no?

Personally, I'm amazed Johnson's not been dragged kicking and screaming from number 10 and hung, drawn and quartered for his lying incompetence.
 

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When you are fighting against this


View: https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1359112749721260034


when trying to close the country off a protect people. These are the ones you need to direct your wrath against.

the thing is, as i have said many times. To me i cannot visualize those numbers in a way that impacts me emotionally. They are just numbers. So you get a detatched unemotional response.
sorry thats just the way i am.
 

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when trying to close the country off a protect people. These are the ones you need to direct your wrath against.
These people will always exist.

Management of Covid has been by the Tories.

You don't need an emotional response. You need a logical and intellectual response. If you are motivated by your feelings alone then you fail at assessing everything.
 

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When you are fighting against this


View: https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1359112749721260034


when trying to close the country off a protect people. These are the ones you need to direct your wrath against.

the thing is, as i have said many times. To me i cannot visualize those numbers in a way that impacts me emotionally. They are just numbers. So you get a detatched unemotional response.
sorry thats just the way i am.


Zuby is correct here.

HTH.

Oh and I thought wanting to control immigration was racist? Or was that last year's culture war? Difficult to keep up these days.
 

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Sounds like a huge bellend tbh.
Yep.

The first sentence is bullshit. Pathological means "caused by physical or mental disease" - whereas it's a rational response to a deadly threat.

The second sentence I have some sympathy with. Tyrannical means "exercising power in a cruel or arbitrary way" - and there's no doubt it's cruel to some, but not cruel to a lot of people who's lives, and who's families lives have been saved by the exercising of this power. It's certainly not arbitrary though.

The third sentence - it's back to meaningless drivel and it's quite self-evident why so I'm not going to argue the point.


What's interesting is that @Moriath and @Bodhi have both heard of Zuby. Maybe they picked up on him when Donald Trump retweeted him :)
 

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I would say every point is complete horse shit to be honest, I am pretty sure people can just about cope without jetting off halfway round the world to take pictures of themselves, eating a full English to post on insta or whatever idiots do in countries that are also largely locked down.
 

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Interestingly though @Raven - this "tsunami of mental health problems" people like @Bodhi keep harping on about in order to justify removing lockdowns don't really appear to be materialising in the way you'd expect when you look at actual long-term data.

We have seen an overall reduction in the number of people who report “above threshold” levels of psychiatric symptoms and similar findings have been reported by other research groups.

Apparently this is because of a (well known and researched) phenomenon that shared trauma creates a shared sense of identity that helps people cope. (Individual trauma, like rape, is devestating).

the majority of the population (56.5% in the case of anxiety and depression) have been resilient, showing no evidence of mental illness at any time. These are contrasted with a small group who have been unwell throughout (6.5%), some who have deteriorated after starting with low (17%) or moderate symptoms (11.5%) and some who have shown considerable improvement in their mental health (8.5%). So, in total, about a quarter of the population is doing badly. This picture of what we might call “different slopes for different folks” does not look like a tsunami

They go further in the article - to demonstrate where government help should be directed post pandemic. To those with pre-existing mental health conditions, to people who've had the virus and general economic help.

In the meantime, lockdowns have clearly stopped shitloads of "post traumatic stress" being experienced by people who lose family members. Unfortunately, because of the Tories, not enough people have been spared that shitness though :(
 

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Nah. Nothing in your post even attempts holds the Tories accountable for their shitshow - accountable even to their own measure.

It's just hand-wringing "nobody wants 100,000+ deaths". Of course, nobody does want that. But the Tories caused them and are responsible for them and your posting history continues to apologise for them.


On a wider point - they're improving in the polls. So it's not just you - it's the whole country. Countless idiots giving clear mismanagement a free pass because they were lucky to have spunked loads of cash on a vaccine - despite the Tory Party's culpability for a crisis that in an equivalent timescale has caused triple the number of British casualties than the Blitz.


So no. Until I see a reversal of the mindset that the Tories aren't entirely culpable of this shitshow I'll continue to post stuff that's critical of them. It's your choice if you want to continue to get offended by that criticism. But I think posting of a meme, or a fact or two, in the face of 120,000 deaths is the least that can be expected, no?

Personally, I'm amazed Johnson's not been dragged kicking and screaming from number 10 and hung, drawn and quartered for his lying incompetence.
I think you'll find the virus caused the deaths and the politicians could have done more to prevent them would be more accurate.
 

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Luckily the UK government has spent the last decade making sure social services and local health care is not being gutted

Oh wait
 

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I think you'll find the virus caused the deaths and the politicians could have done more to prevent them would be more accurate.
That's technically correct, which as has been pointed out to me might be the best sort of correct. But when your prime responsibility is the protection of the population and the actions you've taken, the choices you've made have lead to world-beating death rates on such a huge scale, then you're responsible for that.

That unnecessary death is absolutely on the Tories.
 

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Interestingly though @Raven - this "tsunami of mental health problems" people like @Bodhi keep harping on about in order to justify removing lockdowns don't really appear to be materialising in the way you'd expect when you look at actual long-term data.



Apparently this is because of a (well known and researched) phenomenon that shared trauma creates a shared sense of identity that helps people cope. (Individual trauma, like rape, is devestating).



They go further in the article - to demonstrate where government help should be directed post pandemic. To those with pre-existing mental health conditions, to people who've had the virus and general economic help.

In the meantime, lockdowns have clearly stopped shitloads of "post traumatic stress" being experienced by people who lose family members. Unfortunately, because of the Tories, not enough people have been spared that shitness though :(

I will pull you up on this, it is having a serious effect on my personal mental health. I need to get away on my own (proper on my own, in the woods as it were) several times a year for a few nights, my go to place, I also have permission to take my rifle, I usually try to do it each season but not been away since November 2019, and it really is starting to get to me.

I'm not quite on the edge or something, but it is having a massive effect.
 

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That's technically correct, which as has been pointed out to me might be the best sort of correct. But when your prime responsibility is the protection of the population and the actions you've taken, the choices you've made have lead to world-beating death rates on such a huge scale, then you're responsible for that.

That unnecessary death is absolutely on the Tories.
I don't particularly disagree with that sentiment but then at the same time I'm not inclined to think any politicians would have done an especially good job.
 

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I will pull you up on this, it is having a serious effect on my personal mental health. I need to get away on my own (proper on my own, in the woods as it were) several times a year for a few nights, my go to place, I also have permission to take my rifle, I usually try to do it each season but not been away since November 2019, and it really is starting to get to me.

I'm not quite on the edge or something, but it is having a massive effect.
Not disagreeing with you there @Raven. You can't really pull me up on this as I'm only reporting what's being published. However - you clearly fit into the "need to do this for my mental health" category - i.e. pre-existing requirements.

On a population level - well, look at the story, but also the lancet link. It seems that when they look at the evidence it's not devestating the wider population in the way the narrative seems to go.



(And, frankly, if you're going to go camp in the woods, can you not just leave your rifle at home and go do that, or do you have to drive to scotland or something?)
 

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I'm not inclined to think any politicians would have done an especially good job.
You don't have to look far to find ones that did just that.

That's why we have league tables. So we can make comparative judgements on our leaders' relative performance. And ours have been shit, not just when compared to similar countries but also on an epic global scale. 3rd worst country on the entire planet.

If I have an underperforming programme, I chop it's head off and replace it. More often than not the new head turns it around. It's not a problem with the programme or the people underneath - it's a problem of direction.
 

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You don't have to look far to find ones that did just that.

That's why we have league tables. So we can make comparative judgements on our leaders' relative performance. And ours have been shit, not just when compared to similar countries but also on an epic global scale. 3rd worst country on the entire planet.

If I have an underperforming programme, I chop it's head off and replace it. More often than not the new head turns it around. It's not a problem with the programme or the people underneath - it's a problem of direction.
I should have been clearer, I meant any of our politicians. There's not a single one I can look at and go "they'd get the job done"
 

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Not disagreeing with you there @Raven. You can't really pull me up on this as I'm only reporting what's being published. However - you clearly fit into the "need to do this for my mental health" category - i.e. pre-existing requirements.

On a population level - well, look at the story, but also the lancet link. It seems that when they look at the evidence it's not devestating the wider population in the way the narrative seems to go.



(And, frankly, if you're going to go camp in the woods, can you not just leave your rifle at home and go do that, or do you have to drive to scotland or something?)

Essex for the shooting camping (of all places!) and tbh I very rarely shoot prey, but there is something primal about sourcing your own dinner, rabbit or wood pigeon usually. ...and yeah, there are lots of places local that I can go, there is an excellent place just next to Silverstone, 20 minutes drive away but A, it's full of townies atm and B, it's against the law, it is anyway, but previously you just got moved on or nice chat with the ranger if they were happy you aren't a scummer leaving your crap all over the place and C (not that I have ever had a serious accident) there is a danger of diverting emergency resources.
 

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These people will always exist.

Management of Covid has been by the Tories.

You don't need an emotional response. You need a logical and intellectual response. If you are motivated by your feelings alone then you fail at assessing everything.
I need to have an emotional response to care enough to think about it much.

logically its a good thing there are 2 million less people polluting the planet. So its marginally better for me. Even better there are quite a few who didnt have kids before they died. Even better effect on the planet.

the world is over populated. Less humans at the moment is a good thing. Until we learn to live within the planets means.

there are lots of different views of the pandemic and some of them dont rely on denying it or its put come other than woe be us who lots our love ones.
 

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Yep.

The first sentence is bullshit. Pathological means "caused by physical or mental disease" - whereas it's a rational response to a deadly threat.

The second sentence I have some sympathy with. Tyrannical means "exercising power in a cruel or arbitrary way" - and there's no doubt it's cruel to some, but not cruel to a lot of people who's lives, and who's families lives have been saved by the exercising of this power. It's certainly not arbitrary though.

The third sentence - it's back to meaningless drivel and it's quite self-evident why so I'm not going to argue the point.


What's interesting is that @Moriath and @Bodhi have both heard of Zuby. Maybe they picked up on him when Donald Trump retweeted him :)
Have not seen anything from zuby before. It was retweeted by carol decker of t’pau who is a raging anti lockdown deva
 

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I need to have an emotional response to care enough to think about it much.

logically its a good thing there are 2 million less people polluting the planet. So its marginally better for me. Even better there are quite a few who didnt have kids before they died. Even better effect on the planet.

the world is over populated. Less humans at the moment is a good thing. Until we learn to live within the planets means.

there are lots of different views of the pandemic and some of them dont rely on denying it or its put come other than woe be us who lots our love ones.
Look at the flips and twists you're doing! What utter bullshit! For the Tories!

If you thought covid was a good thing because it was reducing the population you'd be praising lockdown-breakers instead of being outraged.

What a load of shit.
 

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The World Health Organisation is in the pockets of the CCP. Everything and Anything they say from now on should be ignored. Nothing but a Propaganda wing of the Chinese Government now.
 

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The World Health Organisation is in the pockets of the CCP. Everything and Anything they say from now on should be ignored. Nothing but a Propaganda wing of the Chinese Government now.

Wat?

Did you expect them to find they released it intentionally or something?

You could argue that the Chinese did an excellent job of covering it up, but I think suggesting that WHO is a propaganda wing of the Chinese Government is somewhat ridiculous.
 

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Look at the flips and twists you're doing! What utter bullshit! For the Tories!

If you thought covid was a good thing because it was reducing the population you'd be praising lockdown-breakers instead of being outraged.

What a load of shit.
Just my random thoughts. In my head. Apart from what effects me directly i can be pretty destructive with what i hope happens. Better to live in interesting times than boring ones.

when i die i wont know anything afterwards, therefore i wont have time to reflect or bother about what has happened before.

so as long as i please myself. Nothing much matters. I am only affected as much by my immediate family that their existence would be missed as its part of my routine. My dad died 20 years ago. No one really remembers or gives a fuck and for the majority in 1000 yrs time most will be un remembered.

so just do what you like.

theres nothing special about humans. Cause there is no one to compare us against other things. Its always us to everything else. And we thing narcissus is vain.

Revel whats here today because despite what evidence we have seen fromthe last 6p years. Life can be wiped out tomorrow and nothing will remember except the thing that digs u up in a million years and thinks you were gay with scales.
 

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