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Gwadien said:
So you're saying if we were in the same situation we'd happily apply a free market policy and not look after our own first?

The EU are damned of they do or damned if they don't.
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No, I'm suggesting if you want to act like a protectionist racket just because you don't understand procurement properly, don't be surprised if companies look after their own interests and move their facilities from outside the protectionist racket so they can better serve their customers, and more importantly, save lives.

In my view there can be no justification for how the EU are acting currently, hope those at the top feel the consequences at the next election.

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Moriath said:
Hi, let me introduce myself. I am the person @Scouse likes to use to deflect from his short comings.
nice to meet you.

btw i would like to see the scientific peer reviewed study that shows diverting millions of virus shots to the eu would result in less than 100 deaths.
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Please look at the age reference in Sweden there is evidence in societies that have not been shut down to substantiate......
 
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Meh, 66% is better than 0%! If the classy EU don't ban it's export that is...

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid vaccine: Single-dose Johnson & Johnson jab is 66% effective

An international trial shows the jab gives complete protection against hospitalisation and death.
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Another tool at our disposal. But what I do wonder, is there any point in giving two different vaccines to people? Will they end up testing that out?
 
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Scouse said:
Answer the question...
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The face palm was for you saying the bit about Moriath being the one who doesnt give a fuck. Not the rest of it. Or did you not see that in my quote? Which you seem to have edited out when you asked me why the facepalm.
 
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Apparently the UK is on the export control list but Canada is not... (trying to find the list of controlled countries vs exempt to provide a source).

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Vaccine export controls won't impact Canada: PM

TORONTO Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says the President of the European Commission has reassured him any vaccine export controls the EU en...
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why is it relevant if the UK are on it or not.... they have their own vaccine supply set up which has been working well?
 
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Yoni said:
why is it relevant if the UK are on it or not.... they have their own vaccine supply set up which has been working well?
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Um cos of the pfizer vaccine needed for the 2nd dose.
 
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Yoni said:
why is it relevant if the UK are on it or not.... they have their own vaccine supply set up which has been working well?
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Because it's a low life move, regardless of who the EU are deeming worthy of vaccines, all because the EU couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

You have literally gone from saying that it's bad the UK are hinting at doing it to defending the EU for actually doing it :D
 
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It is something that people are trying to imply the UK government has done when in reality all the UK government has said is we have a contract with AZ, which obviously must have certain conditions which AZ can't just ignore.
 
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No I am asking why it is of interest and Deebs explained the answer - I do not think it is a good thing at all and have said so repeatedly that the ramifcations of this argument would kill humans... please do not defer from the answer that you gave which was terrible.
 
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Yoni said:
No I am asking why it is of interest and Deebs explained the answer - I do not think it is a good thing at all and have said so repeatedly that the ramifcations of this argument would kill humans... please do not defer from the answer that you gave which was terrible.
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@Yoni, the point I was making is why is Canada exempt but the UK is not when the issue is not with the UK Government but a company based in the UK. UK citizens could possibly suffer because of this.
 
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Yes they could which is why a diplomatic solution should have been worked out this was just going to end in people dying which was my point above. Just because I live in mainland EU does not mean I agree with everything they do either however the perception given that EU countries helped the UK last year with PPE appears to have been forgotten.... As for group 9 if you look at the data coming out of Sweden where society has been more open than in other places it is clear that 50-55 is not a real risk group. It is the group however that contains alot of the government cronies which is why I think it is there more than for risk.... having said that it is apparent that CV19 is hitting UK and US quite hard due to demographic factors which are not as apparent in other northern european countries...
 
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Yoni said:
Yes they could which is why a diplomatic solution should have been worked out this was just going to end in people dying which was my point above. Just because I live in mainland EU does not mean I agree with everything they do either however the perception given that EU countries helped the UK last year with PPE appears to have been forgotten.... As for group 9 if you look at the data coming out of Sweden where society has been more open than in other places it is clear that 50-55 is not a real risk group. It is the group however that contains alot of the government cronies which is why I think it is there more than for risk.... having said that it is apparent that CV19 is hitting UK and US quite hard due to demographic factors which are not as apparent in other northern european countries...
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Firstly France blocked PPE being delivered to the UK early last year. Other EU countries also blocked PPE between themselves. No need to bring PPE into the vaccine issue imo.

Secondly, the population density of the UK vs Sweden is vastly different ruling out any data from Sweden saying the over 50s are at less risk in the UK. As I said earlier, once group 9 is complete help others.
 
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Deebs said:
Secondly, the population density of the UK vs Sweden is vastly different ruling out any data from Sweden saying the over 50s are at less risk in the UK.
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You're making a mistake interpreting stats there.

Transmission rates would be different because of population density but not mortality rates - if you're over 50 and white you've the same chance of death if you live in Taddington or Tromso.
 
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Deebs said:
Firstly France blocked PPE being delivered to the UK early last year. Other EU countries also blocked PPE between themselves. No need to bring PPE into the vaccine issue imo.
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That's EU unity for you!
 
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Scouse said:
You're making a mistake interpreting stats there.

Transmission rates would be different because of population density but not mortality rates - if you're over 50 and white you've the same chance of death if you live in Taddington or Tromso.
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So the over 50s in the UK have the same mortality rate as those in Sweden even though we might have more diabetic, chronic issues in our population and therefore the increased density of the population increases their risk? Ok thanks Professor.
 
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Deebs said:
So the over 50s in the UK have the same mortality rate as those in Sweden even though we might have more diabetic, chronic issues in our population and therefore the increased density of the population increases their risk? Ok thanks Professor.
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What is the mortality rate in the UK for the number of people who have died from CV19 in the 50- 59 do you have a % or are you guessing? Please link to the source also.
 
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Yoni said:
What is the mortality rate in the UK for the number of people who have died from CV19
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100%

Sorry, I think you need to reword your question a little :)

*not a dig but after the day I have had I need to amuse myself!
 
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Yoni said:
What is the mortality rate in the UK for the number of people who have died from CV19 in the 50- 59 do you have a % or are you guessing? Please link to the source also.
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www.gov.uk

COVID-19: reported SARS-CoV-2 deaths in England

Monthly report presenting the latest data on COVID-19 mortality in England in people with laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
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