Politics Coronavirus

[Deebs]

As I said COVAC will only cover 20% of the population for the poorest countries that qualify.

Just gone and done some research, COVAX aims to deliver 2 billion doses this year. Now need someone to do the math, if you take away all the countries performing their own vaccination programmes how many people would need a COVAX dose? This obviously not take into account the surplus doses ordered by the countries doing their own purchasing.

 

[Embattle]

COVAX scheme is co-lead by Gavi something which the UK contributes to quite a lot - United Kingdom

 

[Deebs]

Um fun fact.

The contracts I uploaded here earlier contain the unredacted details in the bookmarks feature of pdf readers. They have taken down the originals and uploaded new versions.

 

[Embattle]

Um fun fact.

The contracts I uploaded here earlier contain the unredacted details in the bookmarks feature of pdf readers. They have taken down the originals and uploaded new versions.

I saw someone in Twitter say that in a reply to someone, anything interesting to gather from the bookmarks?

 

[Deebs]

I saw someone in Twitter say that in a reply to someone, anything interesting to gather from the bookmarks?

Total cost was around 870 million euros give or take 20%.

 

[Raven]

This is just horrible sorry to say but boardering on disgusting..... Whe the UK desperately needed PPV last year european countries helped the UK out... not all of them as I said but none the less the UK recieved help.... I said earlierit will get messy and the reprocussions will kill humans that are probably not retarded politicians or beaurocrats (for some reason they seem to be getting vaccinated before those who really need it... oO).

For once I agree with Scouse.... as for poor countries yes sure send them the leftovers once the whole UK population is vaccinated... in the meantime more "HUMANS" are dead....

Bullshit. We got sorted early. We signed contracts early, we got the infrastructure sorted early, we ironed out the obvious issues with such large and sudden distribution. We have our own vulnerable people. We and the EU were on the same timetable, as in this shit is urgent.

Why the hell should we cover up the EU fuck-ups, when we aren't in the EU, why aren't they asking other countries to bail them out? What part of not being in the EU are they struggling with? Why should the EU take vaccines that could go to poorer countries? That we have said we would help out, they have more than enough of their own resources.

Why the fuck did the EU drag their feet for so long? How in any way is this our fault, at all?! They still haven't even authorised it's use for goodness sake.

Edit, if the EU hadn't meddled then Germany, France, The Netherlands etc would be up and running the same as we are by now but power power power, at all costs. We could all have been helping the poorer countries sooner.

 

[Bodhi]

Just as an observation, we've all had our issues with how our Government have handled this. Some think they've been too libertarian, others think the restrictions have been too strict and too silly. They went down the wrong road on Track and Trace (follow Japan!), they are cocking up care homes AGAIN, the messaging has been all over the place, and the behavioural physchologists on SAGE have had far too much influence and turned us into a nation of snitches, but one thing I really am struggling to fault them on is the vaccine program. In fact I'd go so far as to say they've fucking nailed the supply side of things at this point, and other than some stupid bickering about people jumping the queue, the rollout has been pretty good so far as well.

And yet some people still won't give credit where it's due. If anything, all the handwringing about us being selfish is just going to give people another excuse not to get vaccinated when offered. I fully agree that when 50+ and vulnerable are done our vaccines should go elsewhere, but until then let's make the most of this massive advantage we've got, get ourselves back to normal, then we'll be in a perfect position to help others. As soon as we can I'd be sending stock over to Ireland whilst helping the plants in India and the developing world get up to speed, then help the rest of Europe. Even France.

 

[Deebs]

And there it is, EU implements export controls on vaccines.

Coronavirus: WHO criticises EU over vaccine export controls

"Vaccine nationalism" risks causing a "protracted recovery", the head of the world health body warns.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Raven]

And there it is, EU implements export controls on vaccines.

Coronavirus: WHO criticises EU over vaccine export controls

"Vaccine nationalism" risks causing a "protracted recovery", the head of the world health body warns.

www.bbc.co.uk

Any comments @Yoni @Scouse ?

 

[Scouse]

Like I said in an earlier message, this should have been in all contracts.

Agree. But the thing is - if the UK has contractural priority (which it looks like we do) then it's our choice how we exercise that priority.

Will we value all human life as equal, or not?

 

[Deebs]

Agree. But the thing is - if the UK has contractural priority (which it looks like we do) then it's our choice how we exercise that priority.

Will we value all human life as equal, or not?

Agreed but first we protect our most vulnerable then help others. That means all 9 groups need to be vaccinated first.

 

[Scouse]

Any comments @Yoni @Scouse ?

It's what I expected to happen?

 

[Bodhi]

Agree. But the thing is - if the UK has contractural priority (which it looks like we do) then it's our choice how we exercise that priority.

Will we value all human life as equal, or not?

We do. Currently more people are dying of COVID in the UK than Africa or other developing nations, let's save lives there before we go to other places less affected than us.

 

[Scouse]

Agreed but first we protect our most vulnerable then help others. That means all 9 groups need to be vaccinated first.

I don't know what all the 9 groups split down as - but deffo the most vulnerable. Yep.

 

[Deebs]

I don't know what all the 9 groups split down as - but deffo the most vulnerable. Yep.

Here ya go

COVID-19 vaccination first phase priority groups

www.gov.uk

 

[Scouse]

We do. Currently more people are dying of COVID in the UK than Africa or other developing nations

Yep. Lets protect our vulnerable then you and me can wait whilst we help elsewhere.

Like I said.

 

[Bodhi]

And there it is, EU implements export controls on vaccines.

Coronavirus: WHO criticises EU over vaccine export controls

"Vaccine nationalism" risks causing a "protracted recovery", the head of the world health body warns.

www.bbc.co.uk

Do you want the Pharma companies to move all production to the UK and Switzerland? Because that's how you get Big Pharma to move all production to the UK and Switzerland.

See why I voted to get the hell out?

 

[Scouse]

Here ya go

COVID-19 vaccination first phase priority groups

www.gov.uk

Depends on the relative risks.

If we're vaccinating group 9 whilst care home residents in Spain, or Argentina, or the Phillipines or China are still unvaccinated then I'm not down with it.

Priority should be saving the most lives - as directed by science, IMO. Not politics or human wants.

Save thousands, not tens...

 

[Deebs]

Depends on the relative risks.

If we're vaccinating group 9 whilst care home residents in Spain, or Argentina, or the Phillipines or China are still unvaccinated then I'm not down with it.

Priority should be saving the most lives - as directed by science, IMO. Not politics or human wants.

Save thousands, not tens...

Fucking hell, a Government has a mandate to protect its own citizens first and foremost. The JCVI are the ones that produced the list and believe are at the most risk to COVID-19 from dying.

Group 9 is high risk, anyone under 50 is deemed not.

 

[Yoni]

It's what I expected to happen?

Me too as I said reprocussions that will kill humans

 

[Scouse]

Group 9 is high risk, anyone under 50 is deemed not.

Save thousands, not tens...

 

[Deebs]

Look after your most vulnerable first. Where is your scientific evidence that diverting doses for group 9 would only result in tens of deaths to save thousands? Thought so.

 

[Yoni]

93% of all deaths in Sweden have been in the 70% group - this group should be done all over as soon as possible.

 

[Scouse]

Look after your most vulnerable first. Where is your scientific evidence that diverting doses for group 9 would only result in tens of deaths to save thousands? Thought so.

Asked the question and given the answer in the same post?

I was actually going to dig out the stats tonight and do some ready-reckon maths to actually show what should already be obvious.

So gimme an effing break and some time to come back to you eh? Of course - only if you want to bother reading it...

 

[Deebs]

Asked the question and given the answer in the same post?

I was actually going to dig out the stats tonight and do some ready-reckon maths to actually show what should already be obvious.

So gimme an effing break and some time to come back to you eh? Of course - only if you want to bother reading it...

I read everything so welcome your scientific evidence showing that not vaccinating group 9 in the UK but diverting those doses to other countries would save tens of thousands of lives at the cost of tens....

 

[Deebs]

Finally the EMA has authorised the use of AZ


View: https://twitter.com/EMA_News/status/1355171602531569664

 

[Gwadien]

Do you want the Pharma companies to move all production to the UK and Switzerland? Because that's how you get Big Pharma to move all production to the UK and Switzerland.

See why I voted to get the hell out?

So you're saying if we were in the same situation we'd happily apply a free market policy and not look after our own first?

The EU are damned of they do or damned if they don't.

 

[Raven]

Me too as I said reprocussions that will kill humans

But what about the waaa waaa bit when we haven't done this but the EU have? Are you now as upset with the EU, that have officially decided to restrict vaccines as you are with the UK that haven't?

 

[Scouse]

Remember m8 - these people are just as scared as we are, and just as helpless in the face of government incompetence.

It's not european citizens fault.

What bit of this is facepalm worthy @Moriath ?

 

[Moriath]

@Moriath's in the "fuck em" camp.

Remember m8 - these people are just as scared as we are, and just as helpless in the face of government incompetence.

It's not european citizens fault.

Hi, let me introduce myself. I am the person @Scouse likes to use to deflect from his short comings.
nice to meet you.

btw i would like to see the scientific peer reviewed study that shows diverting millions of virus shots to the eu would result in less than 100 deaths.