Politics Coronavirus

[Embattle]

Be interesting to see who everyone turns on instead for the next fortnight

*gets popcorn*

Be more interesting to see if people stop talking about him during that 2 weeks

 

[Tay]

I don't know about his case, but certainly my half brother expects an op before the end of Feb... diagnosed on Friday. It's not that the NHS are 'cruising' as cunt said, it's that they are fucking professional and hard working.

Depends on the op, if its life threatening or could potentially be life threatening then surgery is carried out every day and indeed should be. Broken bones and what have you still have to be fixed, the number of people breaking things by coming off their push bikes has soared, before my wife was redeployed back to her normal job last year she was in theatres fixing broken hips that had increased ten fold over the summer.

My understanding is that all elective surgery has been suspended, private hospital should not have any patients as they should be shut, much of their stuff is elective and is still carried out by NHS surgeons and nurses, those staff basically cant work in that sector at this time as they are working flat out in the NHS. So, it really is all hands to the pump, as soon as those abusing the lockdown realise how terrible it is in those places the sooner people 'might' stop thinking about themselves and find ways to get around lockdown.

 

[Jupitus]

Depends on the op, if its life threatening or could potentially be life threatening then surgery is carried out every day and indeed should be. Broken bones and what have you still have to be fixed, the number of people breaking things by coming off their push bikes has soared, before my wife was redeployed back to her normal job last year she was in theatres fixing broken hips that had increased ten fold over the summer.

My understanding is that all elective surgery has been suspended, private hospital should not have any patients as they should be shut, much of their stuff is elective and is still carried out by NHS surgeons and nurses, those staff basically cant work in that sector at this time as they are working flat out in the NHS. So, it really is all hands to the pump, as soon as those abusing the lockdown realise how terrible it is in those places the sooner people 'might' stop thinking about themselves and find ways to get around lockdown.

Yup - I'm aware - my lady is an NHS Team manager (actually in the same area as my half-brother) so she keep me updated on how the local trusts are getting along... this is why the post angered me so much in the first place!

 

[Bodhi]

Depends on the op, if its life threatening or could potentially be life threatening then surgery is carried out every day and indeed should be. Broken bones and what have you still have to be fixed, the number of people breaking things by coming off their push bikes has soared, before my wife was redeployed back to her normal job last year she was in theatres fixing broken hips that had increased ten fold over the summer.

My understanding is that all elective surgery has been suspended, private hospital should not have any patients as they should be shut, much of their stuff is elective and is still carried out by NHS surgeons and nurses, those staff basically cant work in that sector at this time as they are working flat out in the NHS. So, it really is all hands to the pump, as soon as those abusing the lockdown realise how terrible it is in those places the sooner people 'might' stop thinking about themselves and find ways to get around lockdown.

That isn't my understanding on Private Sector staff - those who work for both the NHS and Private are working for the NHS, but anyone who solely works in the Private Sector isn't doing a huge amount at the moment, see below:

Exclusive: Medical leaders seek to ‘shame’ private hospitals and their staff into supporting NHS

NHS England and senior clinical leaders in London are 'profoundly uncomfortable' that some routine elective care is continuing in private hospitals, while the NHS faces 'unthinkable' pressures from coronavirus.

www.hsj.co.uk

They added there are many staff, largely nurses, who are employed by and work solely in the private sector, so there would need to be a contract mechanism in place to utilise that capacity in the NHS, or else they would be left idle if all non-urgent work stopped.

Seems a political problem rather than an operational one, and a political problem that's preventing the NHS from running properly as they're frightened someone might start a "Clap for BUPA" or some other shit. Guess we're only all in this together as long as we don't work for the evil Private Sector.

 

[Moriath]

That isn't my understanding on Private Sector staff - those who work for both the NHS and Private are working for the NHS, but anyone who solely works in the Private Sector isn't doing a huge amount at the moment, see below:

Exclusive: Medical leaders seek to ‘shame’ private hospitals and their staff into supporting NHS

NHS England and senior clinical leaders in London are 'profoundly uncomfortable' that some routine elective care is continuing in private hospitals, while the NHS faces 'unthinkable' pressures from coronavirus.

www.hsj.co.uk

Seems a political problem rather than an operational one, and a political problem that's preventing the NHS from running properly as they're frightened someone might start a "Clap for BUPA" or some other shit. Guess we're only all in this together as long as we don't work for the evil Private Sector.

A lot of the private sector facilities have been taken over by the nhs. I had my elective op private in september which was delayed from april. And they were taking calls then for ops in 2021. That was before more shut downs

 

[Tay]

That isn't my understanding on Private Sector staff - those who work for both the NHS and Private are working for the NHS, but anyone who solely works in the Private Sector isn't doing a huge amount at the moment, see below:

Exclusive: Medical leaders seek to ‘shame’ private hospitals and their staff into supporting NHS

NHS England and senior clinical leaders in London are 'profoundly uncomfortable' that some routine elective care is continuing in private hospitals, while the NHS faces 'unthinkable' pressures from coronavirus.

www.hsj.co.uk

Seems a political problem rather than an operational one, and a political problem that's preventing the NHS from running properly as they're frightened someone might start a "Clap for BUPA" or some other shit. Guess we're only all in this together as long as we don't work for the evil Private Sector.

I blame my wife ^^ she told me

Many of these for profit hospitals also cater to wealthy overseas customers, travel issues might be causing a downturn in business too ^^

In April (i think) last year didnt the NHS effectively give the private sector a huge bailout?, in exchange they got some 7k beds ? All NHS specialist surgeons medical pros were told to drop their private commitments to help deal with the crisis.

I presume if they are still operating then this arrangement must have come to an end?

Many of her colleague NHS nurses moonlight in private hospitals doing night shifts during weekends, when some of the week day only day surgery units operate. She is not aware of any of her colleagues working there currently. Maybe thats because the number of cases have dramatically reduced and the work they do is being picked up by local staff.

I'll dig further, but I know it was a touchy subject as several of the surgeons were not redeployed into the local hospitals, this could mean they are still raking in the cash doing private work.

Just found this -

Who benefits from the NHS’s bailout of private hospitals? — Centre for Health and the Public Interest

The government’s recent deal with private hospitals , who will provide their beds and staff to help the NHS cope with coronavirus, has been framed as a significant boost for the NHS. Whilst the NHS will benefit from an 8% (7,956) increase in available beds (although only 160 of these are for in

chpi.org.uk

 

[Gray]

I think there should be a campaign started just like the old days for Job.

https://bit.ly/3iL3mEW

 

[dysfunction]

I think there should be a campaign started just like the old days for Job.

https://bit.ly/3iL3mEW

Ha ha I remember that!

 

[Tay]

A lot of the private sector facilities have been taken over by the nhs. I had my elective op private in september which was delayed from april. And they were taking calls then for ops in 2021. That was before more shut downs

Probably due to the fact very few private hospitals have their own surgeons/anaesthetists etc..As Bohdi mentioned it does have a shed load of nurses, and also many bank nurses.

Essentially when the NHS recalled 'their' specialist staff the private facilities had no real choice and took the £1billion quid from the NHS.

 

[Tay]

Same site more on the private hospitals "Plight".

At this time of crisis, profiting from scarce NHS resources is unconscionable — Centre for Health and the Public Interest

In London and other parts of the South East, the NHS has tragically reached that point which disaster planners had prepared for but hoped would never happen, namely a hospital service so overwhelmed by patients infected by a lethal respiratory disease that it can no longer provide care to all those

chpi.org.uk

Perhaps we should be asking why we did such a huge bailout with public money and hardly used the facilities?

 

[Tay]

Seems a political problem rather than an operational one, and a political problem that's preventing the NHS from running properly as they're frightened someone might start a "Clap for BUPA" or some other shit. Guess we're only all in this together as long as we don't work for the evil Private Sector.

I'd question if the majority of rich private hospital patients even know where the pots and pans are to bang together ^^

 

[Wij]

I think there should be a campaign started just like the old days for Job.

https://bit.ly/3iL3mEW

Free me!!

 

[Scouse]

Free me!!

I'd charge.

 

[georgie]

Free me!!

Who did you wank over to get banned?

 

[Wij]

Who did you wank over to get banned?

I posted a link to a picture of Kelly Brook.

I think @Deebs clicked it

 

[Embattle]

EU threatens to block Covid vaccine exports amid AstraZeneca shortfall

Bloc may receive only half of purchased 100m doses in first quarter of the year

www.theguardian.com

 

[Embattle]

I posted a link to a picture of Kelly Brook.

I think @Deebs clicked it

It was actually a picture of Wij's todger....shockingly someone behind DBs managed to see it.

 

[Raven]

EU threatens to block Covid vaccine exports amid AstraZeneca shortfall

Bloc may receive only half of purchased 100m doses in first quarter of the year

www.theguardian.com

Classy.

 

[Jupitus]

I think there should be a campaign started just like the old days for Job.

https://bit.ly/3iL3mEW

Wasn't there also a free Bodhi appeal?

 

[Wij]

Wasn't there also a free Bodhi appeal?

View: https://media.giphy.com/media/l0G17NlfXCRFDw5m8/giphy.gif

 

[Tay]

Classy.

Not wishing to dwell on brexit but this wasnt the special EU system the brits failed to sign up to or something during the exit phase?

Big feckin opps by somebody, seems that Big pharmas AND Tech companies don't like being told how to do business.

 

[Gray]

Oh! I thought it was because of GOATSE!

Maybe that was one of the final straws.

 

[Wij]

Oh! I thought it was because of GOATSE!

Maybe that was one of the final straws.

Let's just say the link wasn't what it appeared to be and was less fapworthy than it purported to be

 

[Ormorof]

Classy.

The way its being reported here is that they are diverting supplies to highest bidders, they earn less from EU shipments because EU price was lowered due to up front payments and thus EU peeps that made the deal are unhappy that a company is profiteering like that

More likely imo is some bellend sales guy promised the moon and got a big fat commission and now has left the part of organisation that actually needs to deliver in the lurch with a volume they were never going to be able to deliver

 

[Deebs]

The way its being reported here is that they are diverting supplies to highest bidders, they earn less from EU shipments because EU price was lowered due to up front payments and thus EU peeps that made the deal are unhappy that a company is profiteering like that

More likely imo is some bellend sales guy promised the moon and got a big fat commission and now has left the part of organisation that actually needs to deliver in the lurch with a volume they were never going to be able to deliver

What a load of bullshit. Firstly, they are delivering in order of date orders were placed as much as possible. Secondly, the production problems are due to an EU partner not being able to deliver enough of an ingredient.

The EU were late to place their order as they took fucking months bartering on a price whilst other countries just paid for it to get their orders in early regardless of the success rate, ie they took a gamble and it paid off.

 

[Deebs]

Not wishing to dwell on brexit but this wasnt the special EU system the brits failed to sign up to or something during the exit phase?

Big feckin opps by somebody, seems that Big pharmas AND Tech companies don't like being told how to do business.

Yes, the UK declined to join the EU scheme and go it alone.

 

[Ormorof]

I agree, like i said it feels like someone promised a lot, without checking if they could actually deliver. The EU politicians that caused this mess and were sold a fairytale now scrambling to save face by blaming the company and possibly screwing other countries is pretty shit tbh

 

[Raven]

What a load of bullshit. Firstly, they are delivering in order of date orders were placed as much as possible. Secondly, the production problems are due to an EU partner not being able to deliver enough of an ingredient.

The EU were late to place their order as they took fucking months bartering on a price whilst other countries just paid for it to get their orders in early regardless of the success rate, ie they took a gamble and it paid off.

This, the EU are "The bad guys" here, and I can't quite believe I am saying this, but the Tories actually did the right thing with the vaccine supply, throw money at all of it early and hope at least one works, several do. it's worth noting the EU are still pissing about and haven't cleared the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Distressingly low vaccine rate over there atm.

COVID vaccine: Who in Europe is leading the race to herd immunity?

With a fresh wave of COVID infections hitting Europe, which country is best prepared?

www.euronews.com

Even America are doing better than the EU and they couldn't give a fuck about Covid, until recently.

Having said that, the Tory plan of delaying the second jab looks like it might explode in their face if supplies are restricted.

 

[Deebs]

This, the EU are "The bad guys" here, and I can't quite believe I am saying this, but the Tories actually did the right thing with the vaccine supply, throw money at all of it early and hope at least one works, several do. it's worth noting the EU are still pissing about and haven't cleared the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Distressingly low vaccine rate over there atm.

You then have a German financial newspaper stating that the AZ is only 8% efficacy in the over 65s, refuted by the UK, AZ. This is going to turn fucking ugly very quickly especially if they restrict vaccine exports.

Luckily the UK has 2 manufacturing plants for AZ but unfortuntely rely on the EU for the Pfzier vaccine.

 

[Deebs]

Having said that, the Tory plan of delaying the second jab looks like it might explode in their face if supplies are restricted.

Only for Pfizer I reckon. As I said we can produce and package the AZ vaccine completely within the UK.