Politics Coronavirus

[Deebs]

I didn’t say anything like that. It was just in reply to your point about trusts being able to procure independently. This letter makes it clear that the supply chain was restructured centrally.

I provided a link on the Government website that clearly states Trusts can buy independently and direct.

 

[Embattle]

Coronavirus’s ability to mutate ‘has been vastly underestimated’

 

[Scouse]

Coronavirus’s ability to mutate ‘has been vastly underestimated’

Not great news.

But yay for science.

 

[Wij]

I provided a link on the Government website that clearly states Trusts can buy independently and direct.

Old advice from 2018 which still claims DHL is responsible for some categories whereas the letter I posted makes it clear this ended on April 1st. It's not an either/or. Trusts can procure but they need to work with SCCL. That was my point.

 

[Deebs]

Old advice from 2018 which still claims DHL is responsible for some categories whereas the letter I posted makes it clear this ended on April 1st. It's not an either/or. Trusts can procure but they need to work with SCCL. That was my point.

Even with the SCCL they can still buy direct.

Look at this (Partnering with the NHS to sell goods and services), they even mention SCCL

How to access NHS procurement channels in England
The 5 main routes to market for companies interested in supplying the NHS are through:

• selling direct to trusts or primary care organisations
• selling through the new NHS Supply Chain (moving its procurement category towers in 2018)
• selling through collaborative purchasing arrangements
• national framework collaborations and contracts
• government tenders and contracts

Selling direct to NHS Trusts or to primary care organisations in England
A company which has a specific product or service easily matched to an NHS organisation can sell directly to the healthcare service provider of its choice. This process involves identifying the right contact (generally clinicians, the procurement team and the finance team) within the selected NHS organisation.

Service providers, which include all trusts, make their own purchasing decisions and can purchase directly from the manufacturer or distributor within purchasing rules and arrangements.

 

[Wij]

Even with the SCCL they can still buy direct.

Look at this (Partnering with the NHS to sell goods and services), they even mention SCCL

Yes because SCCL was set up in 2017 but its remit changed on April 1st

 

[Wij]

Sigh.

Ever worked in Public Sector procurement? Have you seen the amount of Due Dilligence that goes into getting onto an approved suppliers list? PHE have to verify that these companies products do what they say on the tin, that they aren't going to run off with Government cash, or send them a load of dodgy equipment like our friends in China do.

Anyway, probably worth reading the below Twitter thread, from someone a bit closer to the business of buying PPE than any of the armchair critics on here:


View: https://twitter.com/botzarelli/status/1252231981019979776?s=20


Considering this chap works in procurement for a major Life Sciences company, I'll take his word over a few hacks from Fleet Street or IT bods off the internet, personally.

Contact the cabinet office says Simon Clarke MP. Clear as mud then:


View: https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1252506053410947072/video/1

 

[Yoni]

Coronavirus’s ability to mutate ‘has been vastly underestimated’

The article I posted a few pages ago from oxford uni indicated as much

 

[caLLous]

Coronavirus deaths 41% higher than government's hospital-only figures - ONS

When they say 41%, they're talking about the last week (13,121 actual deaths by April 10, compared with 9,288 reported).

 

[Bodhi]

More tax avoiders claiming public money I see:

Guardian to furlough 100 non-editorial staff owing to coronavirus

 

[~Yuckfou~]

 

[Deebs]

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I raise you


View: https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1252390592358670336


Make sure to check the May, June and July followup


View: https://twitter.com/RobMajor4/status/1252392450934489088

 

[Yoni]

I wonder if any individuals who have their own companies will be reviewing how they have filled in their taxforms over the last few years .. oO

 

[Wij]

I wonder if any individuals who have their own companies will be reviewing how they have filled in their taxforms over the last few years .. oO

Nah - I'm good

 

[Scouse]

Here we go.

The mere existence of databases are the danger. There are no legal protections that are worth their salt - because when circumstances (or governments) change your privacy can go up in smoke - not by consent, but by executive action.

 

[Deebs]

Here we go.

The mere existence of databases are the danger. There are no legal protections that are worth their salt - because when circumstances (or governments) change your privacy can go up in smoke - not by consent, but by executive action.

I won't be installing any contact tracing app. Period. Having read that article I am pleased to see the following:

Apple and Google say they will maintain the ability to disable them on a regional basis once the current crisis is over, and they will refuse to authorise any government which seeks to make installing the apps compulsory.

 

[Bodhi]

Here we go.

The mere existence of databases are the danger. There are no legal protections that are worth their salt - because when circumstances (or governments) change your privacy can go up in smoke - not by consent, but by executive action.

So following South Korea with a contact tracing app would be a bad thing then?

 

[Deebs]

So following South Korea with a contact tracing app would be a bad thing then?

From a privacy point of view absolutely.

 

[Bodhi]

From a privacy point of view absolutely.

Agree wholeheartedly, however I was just trying to square the circle with Scouse's FOLLOW SOUTH KOREA!"!"!"! proclamations from earlier.

I also do wonder if this would result in Google having any more information on our movements than they already have. Browsing one's Google Location History is always an eye opening experience.

 

[Wij]

Agree wholeheartedly, however I was just trying to square the circle with Scouse's FOLLOW SOUTH KOREA!"!"!"! proclamations from earlier.

I also do wonder if this would result in Google having any more information on our movements than they already have. Browsing one's Google Location History is always an eye opening experience.

Those emails from Google about where you've been were very creepy but are now just depressing as it's just one town. Always.

 

[Deebs]

Agree wholeheartedly, however I was just trying to square the circle with Scouse's FOLLOW SOUTH KOREA!"!"!"! proclamations from earlier.

I also do wonder if this would result in Google having any more information on our movements than they already have. Browsing one's Google Location History is always an eye opening experience.

Hmm just checked my browsing history and it is showing my brother-in-laws trip to Europe in a certain year. How the fuck does that work? It reckons I drove 652 miles and has his Company listed as the destination.

 

[Bodhi]

Those emails from Google about where you've been were very creepy but are now just depressing as it's just one town. Always.

Not half as creepy as when I'm discussing a company/person with the wife, go to search for them on Google and notice how quickly the autocomplete comes up, for the person/company we've been discussing.

Probably out own fault considering the number of Google Home devices we have around the house, but still, very creepy.

And some of the stories coming out of what they can listen into with Alexa are even worse....

 

[Wij]

Not half as creepy as when I'm discussing a company/person with the wife, go to search for them on Google and notice how quickly the autocomplete comes up, for the person/company we've been discussing.

Probably out own fault considering the number of Google Home devices we have around the house, but still, very creepy.

And some of the stories coming out of what they can listen into with Alexa are even worse....

Scary shit. I do tend to trust Apple a bit more because selling data isn't their core business. Maybe I'm being naive.

 

[Wij]

This story is bubbling around:

Exclusive: Millions of pieces of PPE being shipped from Britain to Europe despite NHS shortages

 

[Wij]

As is this:


View: https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1252266724449230848

 

[Deebs]

This story is bubbling around:

Exclusive: Millions of pieces of PPE being shipped from Britain to Europe despite NHS shortages

Fuck me. Best not be unless that is PPE that the NHS does not actually need.

 

[Wij]

Downing St trying to knife the health sec?


View: https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1252505231319064577

 

[~Yuckfou~]

This story is bubbling around:

Exclusive: Millions of pieces of PPE being shipped from Britain to Europe despite NHS shortages

It appears here that health workers are fine now for PPE, and town halls have been handing out "proper" medical masks to the public. Maybe they got it all from the UK I don't know, if so our win your loss, but pathetic if true tbh.

 

[Deebs]

As is this:


View: https://twitter.com/jdpoc/status/1252266724449230848

I've seen multiple threads on twatter disputing this.

 

[Yoni]

Hmm just checked my browsing history and it is showing my brother-in-laws trip to Europe in a certain year. How the fuck does that work? It reckons I drove 652 miles and has his Company listed as the destination.

Neither Kiffy or I have any information on location and web browers are deleted on shut down here - I was taught well