Politics Coronavirus

[Bodhi]

Do you really beleive that ?
This isnt even about anti government or pro government lol

Personally, as this much lauded EU Procurement scheme has so far delivered 0 Ventilators and 0 bits of PPE, and we need them now, I'm not actually that bothered either way. To me it just shows how fucking useless Brussels are, and why I'm glad we left.

 

[Talivar]

Well i have no clue how usefull the actual Scheme is, it could be as useless as you say. I just find it funny how worker says boss is lieing, boss finds out, worker then says erm sorry my mistake please move on nothing to see here lol

 

[Bodhi]

Veenak for one:

Brum firm 'shipping PPE abroad after UK gov ignored offer of help'

veenak2

Perhaps NHS Procurement took one look at their website, thought - hmmm veterinary supplies, let's give that a swerve shall we?

Perhaps if they'd wanted to help, they could have started calling round the care homes that were struggling and asked what they needed, rather than a bit of grandstanding in the press?

 

[dysfunction]

veenak2

Perhaps NHS Procurement took one look at their website, thought - hmmm veterinary supplies, let's give that a swerve shall we?

Perhaps if they'd wanted to help, they could have started calling round the care homes that were struggling and asked what they needed, rather than a bit of grandstanding in the press?

What's wrong with protective gear from a veterinary supplier?
I'm sure they use the exact same stuff as for those treating humans.

 

[Bodhi]

Well i have no clue how usefull the actual Scheme is, it could be as useless as you say. I just find it funny how worker says boss is lieing, boss finds out, worker then says erm sorry my mistake please move on nothing to see here lol

Must admit in the middle of a global pandemic I'm not that interested in "he said she said", just making sure we can get out the other side.

Oh, and in case you weren't listening to the press conference, we've joined the scheme anyway, for all the good it will do.

 

[caLLous]

Perhaps NHS Procurement took one look at their website, thought - hmmm veterinary supplies, let's give that a swerve shall we?

You know the PPE isn't for the animals... right?

Also, that correction about the political decision is such nonsense... his initial response was "we left the European Union" with a shit-eating grin on his face. Then, when asked again, he said (with no uncertainty whatsoever) that it was a political decision.

Now a couple of hours later he's been slapped around a bit by those upstairs and has been forced to trot out his third version of events.

You're not that bothered and not that interested in "he said she said" and yet here you are, hurling yourself to the defence of the government once again.

 

[Bodhi]

What's wrong with protective gear from a veterinary supplier?
I'm sure they use the exact same stuff as for those treating humans.

Seriously? Please tell me you work nowhere near any sort of Life Sciences company or Health organisation buying stock? Ignoring the fact that vets don't tend to use PPE anyway, Veterinary Products aren't subject to anywhere near the testing regimes as those used on humans.

But no, I can't see what's wrong with ordering a bunch of PPE off a company who don't even list PPE on their website as something they sell, who just magically appear to have had a big shipment in from China. Can't see why they'd ignore that in the slightest.

 

[Talivar]

Bodhi i am not going to get into a debate but you care a lot about he said she said as only a few pages ago you tried some one upmanship on Scouse as soon as you saw something that made South Korea less appealing. This cool eyes on the ball approach doesnt match your replies, IMO anyway!

 

[Bodhi]

You know the PPE isn't for the animals... right?

And you know that in order to sell into the NHS the product has to be tested and adhere to certain standards, and the company iteself has to have an almighty Insurance policy to back them up if they are found to be supplying faulty equipment. It's hard enough to sell into the NHS as it is when that's your core competency. Someone from another industry who just happened to stumble upon a load of medical supplies they don't even list on their website? Not a fucking chance.

 

[Talivar]

In normal times most of what you say is true, but this is not normal times and people are dieing because they are wearing bin bags to protect them against a killer disease. We can argue back and forth till the cows come home but the reality is the bin bags are not working and anything that works better is worth the risk, again IMO

 

[caLLous]

Also, Veenak International (as mentioned in the article, not Veenak Veterinary Supplies) has a LinkedIn page which suggests that they are a wholesaler of much more than just veterinary products. They're both run from the same address (and neither have a functional, public website) but one looks like an offshoot of the other. And if the PPE they have is good enough for the continent, it must be fit for purpose.

 

[dysfunction]

Seriously? Please tell me you work nowhere near any sort of Life Sciences company or Health organisation buying stock? Ignoring the fact that vets don't tend to use PPE anyway, Veterinary Products aren't subject to anywhere near the testing regimes as those used on humans.

But no, I can't see what's wrong with ordering a bunch of PPE off a company who don't even list PPE on their website as something they sell, who just magically appear to have had a big shipment in from China. Can't see why they'd ignore that in the slightest.

Really? So if they were doing surgery on a dog they wouldn't use any protective gear??
If you were a vet I would steer clear of your practice

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Boris glasses.

 

[caLLous]

Also also, Veenak International hold an MHRA license and are on the government's "Register of Licensed Wholesale Distribution Sites (Human and Veterinary) March 2020".

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Also also, Veenak International hold an MHRA license and are on the government's "Register of Licensed Wholesale Distribution Sites (Human and Veterinary) March 2020".

You and your "facts"

 

[Bodhi]

Also also, Veenak International hold an MHRA license and are on the government's "Register of Licensed Wholesale Distribution Sites (Human and Veterinary) March 2020".

Which means they are licensed to sell their products in the UK, doesn't infer any license to sell into the NHS.

Facts, eh?

 

[Scouse]

Which means they are licensed to sell their products in the UK, doesn't infer any license to sell into the NHS.

Considering scientists are advising the public to wear home made cloth masks as there's a level of efficasy in doing so and the fact we're supposed to be 'pulling together' and doing the best we can a level of pragmatism should be getting applied instead of hiding behind license rules.

Unlicenced professionally made PPE > no PPE.

So get it fucking through the door FFS.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Which means they are licensed to sell their products in the UK, doesn't infer any license to sell into the NHS.

Facts, eh?

NHS "We need stuff to save lives"
Supplier "We've got plenty"
NHS "Are you licensed to sell specifically to us?"
Supplier "No, but many other countries are saving lives with the kit we sold them"
NHS "No good to us, we'll just let them die"

You think that's how the conversation goes? Get a fucking grip man.

 

[Bodhi]

Considering scientists are advising the public to wear home made cloth masks as there's a level of efficasy in doing so and the fact we're supposed to be 'pulling together' and doing the best we can a level of pragmatism should be getting applied instead of hiding behind license rules.

Unlicenced professionally made PPE > no PPE.

So get it fucking through the door FFS.

Considering the Dutch sent back 600,000 face masks to China as they didn't meet the required standards, I'm guessing they don't share your point of view.

Countries reject Chinese-made equipment

Slight difference between those needed for the General Public to go shopping in, and that needed on a CV19 ward.

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Facepalm me all you like. I've got facepalm PPE.
I can't catch your blindness.

 

[Bodhi]

NHS "We need stuff to save lives"
Supplier "We've got plenty"
NHS "Are you licensed to sell specifically to us?"
Supplier "No, but many other countries are saving lives with the kit we sold them"
NHS "No good to us, we'll just let them die"

You think that's how the conversation goes? Get a fucking grip man.

See above. I'm sure if someone has an offering that will save lives, then NHS Approval can be fast tracked. But with the amount of faulty kit coming in from China (the infamous antibody tests we bought, and the virus tests Spain bought above), an offer from a vet supplies company that seems to have dropped on a shipment of face masks from China isn't going to be especially compelling.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Coronavirus: Top civil servant Sir Simon McDonald withdraws claim UK 'chose' not to join EU medical kit scheme

 

[caLLous]

Police tell driver 'popping out for a spliff not an essential journey'

 

[Scouse]

Considering the Dutch sent back 600,000 face masks to China as they didn't meet the required standards, I'm guessing they don't share your point of view.

Countries reject Chinese-made equipment

Slight difference between those needed for the General Public to go shopping in, and that needed on a CV19 ward.

And we come back to:

SOMETHING > NOTHING.


Say scientists.

 

[Deebs]

And we come back to:

SOMETHING > NOTHING.

Actually many countries around the world disagree with your advice and are rejecting ANY faulty PPE. It simply gives a false sense of security for a start.

 

[Scouse]

Actually many countries around the world disagree with your advice and are rejecting ANY faulty PPE. It simply gives a false sense of security for a start.

Who cares what other retards do.

Scientists say that in the absence of proper PPE, makeshift PPE should be used as it helps stop spread.

Not as effectively, yes, but better than nothing.

 

[Deebs]

Who cares what other retards do.

Scientists say that in the absence of proper PPE, makeshift PPE should be used as it helps stop spread.

Not as effectively, yes, but better than nothing.

Yeh I can see the new headlines

Frontline workers using faulty PPE
Frontline workers died after using faulty PPE

 

[Embattle]

Who cares what other retards do.

Scientists say that in the absence of proper PPE, makeshift PPE should be used as it helps stop spread.

Not as effectively, yes, but better than nothing.

Until you and others whinge endlessly about it.....damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[Scouse]

Yeh I can see the new headlines

Frontline workers using faulty PPE
Frontline workers died after using faulty PPE

Who gives a fuck what the media would say? Quite rightly we should have been prepared and that is part of holding government to account.

But if faulty PPE *saves lives* then we should bloody well get on and "make do".


"Oh, sorry, we know your mum died Johnny, but we didn't want her to use a non-approved face mask because it's not quite as effective as an approved one - and we really didn't want the government to have to face bad healines in the Sun"