Politics Coronavirus

[dysfunction]

If you want to go there, the country that's been most successful at managing the outbreak has been Taiwan, and they aren't even recognised by the WHO.

Reason SK were so successful were they still had recent memories of SARS so still had the infrastructure in place.

Still, if only there was some way to rate how well prepared individual countries were for a Pandemic..

These are the top 10 countries for pandemic preparedness

Oh.

Having the tools to be prepared for a pandemic and the actual way of dealing with one are two different things...

 

[Moriath]

No.

The thing that would have stopped deaths would have been correctly managing this crisis in the first fucking place - following the instructions of the WHO.

Just like South Korea did, very succesfully, despite having a fuckton less notice than we did.

All this "oh it's a global problem" is no better than outright apologism. Thousands are dead and dying - needlessly.

No South Korea have slowed the spread. They are still sitting on a time bomb of population that havent had it and it takes like a couple cases to make it explode again.

unless there is a vaccine its not a case of if but when this goes through the rest of the population that have so far been kept apart.

 

[Embattle]

View: https://twitter.com/econinbricks/status/1251826637458624512

I see it is claimed Victoria Beckham has furloughed some of her staff, the tax payers money hard at work supporting a muti millionaires loss making vanity business.

Further to my point earlier about not being fond of celebrities at the best of times I find their narcissistic hypocritical nature is in even sharper focus at the moment, although they certainly aren't alone. The easiest show of celebrity narcissism is Clap for Carers, why do they feel they need to turn it from being about carers to themselves because they feel the need to video themselves clapping. The hypocritical part of it simply comes from the various tax avoidance schemes, the odd tax evasion scheme, that some use while trying to applaud the NHS etc.

 

[Ormorof]

If you want to go there, the country that's been most successful at managing the outbreak has been Taiwan, and they aren't even recognised by the WHO.

Reason SK were so successful were they still had recent memories of SARS so still had the infrastructure in place.

Still, if only there was some way to rate how well prepared individual countries were for a Pandemic..

These are the top 10 countries for pandemic preparedness

Oh.

It will be interesting to see a revised list once its over, wonder how they could factor in political pressure or incompetence

Finland announced that they suspect the actual death toll is about 30% higher than currently known due to care homes. But it is still 10x less than Sweden, scandal here (and seems in other nordics that it is growing) is that government didnt didnt provide good guidelines for carehomes so they didn't change way staff worked vs pre lockdown

 

[Deebs]

Crack on then.
We can't get "regulation" masks so they were gratefully received. I spray mine with anti-bac before use.
The ones being made in the factory for the health workers are regulation, poor deflect tbh.

You brought up the little old ladies making face masks at home. Spraying with anti-bac does fuckall to their effectiveness. They are simply too porous.

And stuff being made in factories can fail regulation like a lot of what China and Russia have been shipping. Just so you know.

 

[Scouse]

No South Korea have slowed the spread. They are still sitting on a time bomb of population that havent had it and it takes like a couple cases to make it explode again.

unless there is a vaccine its not a case of if but when this goes through the rest of the population that have so far been kept apart.

No @Moriath.

South Korea didn't have a mandatory lockdown. They test test test-ed and contact traced - like the WHO guidelines - and continue to manage in this way.

Because of this they've kept deaths in the hundreds and continue to manage well.

I've said the above repeatedly - they are a model of success. Yet you (and others) keep dismissing this. Because, I can only speculate, it allows you to keep lying to yourself that our government has been 'doing it's best' rather than criminally mismanaging.

 

[Deebs]

Response to Sunday Times Insight article - Department of Health and Social Care Media Centre

Second one of these I've seen recently in response to nonsense claims from the media, when really they should be concentrating on beating this disease.

I noticed on Twitter a journalist suggesting that for the price of a coffee we can do our bit for journalism and buy a paper. So I did my bit.

I bought a coffee.

View: https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1252138116191748100

 

[~Yuckfou~]

You brought up the little old ladies making face masks at home. Spraying with anti-bac does fuckall to their effectiveness. They are simply too porous.

And stuff being made in factories can fail regulation like a lot of what China and Russia have been shipping. Just so you know.

Two completely different use cases.
1. Masks for the public that the WHO are now saying can help stop the spread from infected people. Wearing one also helps from inadvertently touching my face.
2. PPE for health workers made in factory conditions. Why would they fail more than PPE manufactured elsewhere? Do you think Spain is not capable of manufacturing quality PPE to protect its health care workers?

 

[Deebs]

Two completely different use cases.
1. Masks for the public that the WHO are now saying can help stop the spread from infected people. Wearing one also helps from inadvertently touching my face.
2. PPE for health workers made in factory conditions. Why would they fail more than PPE manufactured elsewhere? Do you think Spain is not capable of manufacturing quality PPE to protect its health care workers?

Spain has been importing stuff from China which was faulty. I am just saying that there is shit PPE out there.

Countries reject Chinese-made equipment

 

[Wij]

Response to Sunday Times Insight article - Department of Health and Social Care Media Centre

Second one of these I've seen recently in response to nonsense claims from the media, when really they should be concentrating on beating this disease.

I noticed on Twitter a journalist suggesting that for the price of a coffee we can do our bit for journalism and buy a paper. So I did my bit.

I bought a coffee.

View: https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1252120640859111425



View: https://twitter.com/squeezyjohn/status/1252006280048381953

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Spain has been importing stuff from China which was faulty. I am just saying that there is shit PPE out there.

Countries reject Chinese-made equipment

OK, I'll have one more go and then I give up.
Madrid is in Spain.
Spain is not in China.

 

[dysfunction]

Two completely different use cases.
1. Masks for the public that the WHO are now saying can help stop the spread from infected people. Wearing one also helps from inadvertently touching my face.

I seriously doubt that.
I would bet you inadvertently touch your face all the time and not even know it.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I seriously doubt that.
I would bet you inadvertently touch your face all the time and not even know it.

I'll take that bet. In fact I'm all in.

 

[dysfunction]

I'll take that bet. In fact I'm all in.

Unless you're online streaming a video 24 hrs a day then I won't be taking that bet!

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Tough times can bring the best out in people.
Taxi driver who has been taking people to hospital free of charge.

View: https://www.facebook.com/danwalkertv/videos/831997957286127/

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Unless you're online streaming a video 24 hrs a day then I won't be taking that bet!

I've only been out of the house for perhaps 5/6 hours in the last 5 weeks, so we could cut down the streaming time.

 

[dysfunction]

I've only been out of the house for perhaps 5/6 hours in the last 5 weeks, so we could cut down the streaming time.

No I meant of yourself!

 

[~Yuckfou~]

No I meant of yourself!

PERV!

 

[Wij]

Who wants a bet with me that I can not touch my cock?

Willing to stream 24/7.

 

[Wij]

We can all follow that fear mongering cunt Piers "I am a fear mongering lying cunt" Morgan

Turkey shipment of PPE from Turkey delayed. RAF sat on the runway waiting for the shipment. Guess what, Governments fault again. The entire fucking world is bidding for PPE. The UK will not always win. Testing kits, the UK purchased loads and found they didn't fucking work. Governments fault again. Just stop the shit and try and work together to get beyond this. Don't forget this is the 1st wave, there will be many more to come. The world has changed. That is a FACT. Life will not be normal after this.

What really fucks me off is everyone is focusing on the negatives and never the positive of which are there, the people that survive. The fact that the NHS is not over whelmed. The fact that the majority of intelligent people are practicing social distancing.

One thing I am angry about is that we do not enforce or ban any travel into the UK. If you have a legit need to be coming here then a mandatory 21 days quarantine. Not 14, not 7, 21.

View: https://twitter.com/BBCHughPym/status/1251920622403440654

 

[~Yuckfou~]

View: https://twitter.com/BBCHughPym/status/1251920622403440654

You're wasting your time fella. It's hard for some people to see the facts when wearing Boris tinted glasses.

 

[Deebs]

View: https://twitter.com/BBCHughPym/status/1251920622403440654

Um sorry for stating the obvious but why can't these companies just ring NHS Trusts directly?

Partnering with the NHS to sell goods and services

 

[Deebs]

You're wasting your time fella. It's hard for some people to see the facts when wearing Boris tinted glasses.

No I am not. Facts are companies can sell DIRECT to NHS Trusts bypassing the Government. Why are they waiting for a call from the Government ?

NHS Trusts are also responsible for procurement, why are we not bitching at those fucking useless overpaid managers?

 

[~Yuckfou~]

No I am not. Facts are companies can sell DIRECT to NHS Trusts bypassing the Government. Why are they waiting for a call from the Government ?

NHS Trusts are also responsible for procurement, why are we not bitching at those fucking useless overpaid managers?

I didn't name you implicitly but if you want to tar yourself with that brush that's fine with me. Clarity is always helpful.

Government:
noun
the political direction and control exercised over the actions of the members, citizens, or inhabitants of communities, societies, and states; direction of the affairs of a state, community, etc.; political administration:

If the Government can see that there are failings in a national (in fact global) crisis then surely it falls upon them to take charge. Spunking some cash out to gain support is useless if those people go on to die.
Why should suppliers be calling anyone? It's up to those requiring their services (especially in these times) to urgently find the vital materials they need.
The UK government are not doing their jobs, plain and simple. You can't see that, which frankly I find baffling as you seem to be an intelligent individual.
Please don't give me the usual drivel that the UK are doing better than other countries, it doesn't wash. Other countries stats are irrelevant, the UK government could and should be making a better job of this. Being top of a shit pile is not a win.

 

[Deebs]

I didn't name you implicitly but if you want to tar yourself with that brush that's fine with me. Clarity is always helpful.

Government:
noun
the political direction and control exercised over the actions of the members, citizens, or inhabitants of communities, societies, and states; direction of the affairs of a state, community, etc.; political administration:

If the Government can see that there are failings in a national (in fact global) crisis then surely it falls upon them to take charge. Spunking some cash out to gain support is useless if those people go on to die.
Why should suppliers be calling anyone? It's up to those requiring their services (especially in these times) to urgently find the vital materials they need.
The UK government are not doing their jobs, plain and simple. You can't see that, which frankly I find baffling as you seem to be an intelligent individual.
Please don't give me the usual drivel that the UK are doing better than other countries, it doesn't wash. Other countries stats are irrelevant, the UK government could and should be making a better job of this. Being top of a shit pile is not a win.

I never said the Government is doing a good job in every area. However supply is just one part of the problem, the other big issue is logistics/delivery. The Army is working around the clock along with other companies.

As you said it is a global crisis and our Government is not the only one failing at PPE.

• Spain: Spain is the third-worst-affected country in terms of cases, and a severe PPE shortage has contributed to at least 12,000 healthcare professionals contracting the virus, or 14% of total infections, the New York Times reports. Some staff at Madrid’s La Paz hospital are left with little choice but to reuse gowns when treating different patients, and doubling up on flimsy masks in the absence of more sophisticated respirator masks. The shortage of PPE and its effect on the number of infections among medical professionals, is having a knock-on effect on the availability of medical staff.

Source: Here’s How Some Of The Countries Worst Hit By Coronavirus Are Dealing With Shortages Of Protective Equipment For Healthcare Workers

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I never said the Government is doing a good job in every area. However supply is just one part of the problem, the other big issue is logistics/delivery. The Army is working around the clock along with other companies.

As you said it is a global crisis and our Government is not the only one failing at PPE.



Source: Here’s How Some Of The Countries Worst Hit By Coronavirus Are Dealing With Shortages Of Protective Equipment For Healthcare Workers

Please don't give me the usual drivel that the UK are doing better than other countries, it doesn't wash. Other countries stats are irrelevant, the UK government could and should be making a better job of this. Being top of a shit pile is not a win.

 

[Deebs]

I am not saying the UK are doing better than other countries, I am merely pointing out that countries all over the world are in the same state with regard to PPE. The UK Government on its handling of PPE is not unique to just the UK. Lots of Governments have dropped the ball.

That is something you are failing to understand.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I am not saying the UK are doing better than other countries, I am merely pointing out that countries all over the world are in the same state with regard to PPE. The UK Government on its handling of PPE is not unique to just the UK. Lots of Governments have dropped the ball.

That is something you are failing to understand.

Show me where I said the UK Gov are the only ones fucking up? My family are in the UK, 2 of them are VERY at risk and in all probability won't be leaving their homes this year, so they are the ones I am concerned about.
You just keep attempting to deflect.
Again, just for clarification as YOU are failing to understand "Being top of a shit pile is not a win."
Please for fucks sake stop quoting league tables at me it's not a competition.

 

[Deebs]

Show me where I said the UK Gov are the only ones fucking up? My family are in the UK, 2 of them are VERY at risk and in all probability won't be leaving their homes this year, so they are the ones I am concerned about.
You just keep attempting to deflect.
Again, just for clarification as YOU are failing to understand "Being top of a shit pile is not a win."
Please for fucks sake stop quoting league tables at me it's not a competition.

Never said you were only saying the UK Government are the only ones fucking up. Everyone is fucking up, including the country where you reside. My family are in the UK, my own children with chronic asthma. I have family in Italy and Chicago, all fucked. I am not attempting to deflect, I have never stated we have done a sterling job.

As to being the top of a shit pile didn't know the UK was the worst hit country in the world where is the evidence that we are top of this shit pile? I am assuming that is what you mean when banging on about being top.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I give up.