Politics Coronavirus

[Talivar]

In my opinion waiting till this is all over to try hold people to account is not only dangerous but also an insult to all who have died, maybe needlesly so far. Once this is over the public will just be glad to get back to normal and like always it will be swept under the carpet and the world will probably find a scapegoat like China t be blamed for all the mistakes and deaths.

 

[Yoni]

Gove wasn't exactly chomping at the bit to point out even a single part of that "hit piece" that was inaccurate this morning. He resorted to sheepishly saying a response would be forthcoming (aka "PLEASE STOP ASKING") and then, while refusing to answer a question, he mumbled something about sharing facts in a transparent way.

Gove is a bigger twat than Bozza - also I am sure he has an ice cream van locked in his garage oO

 

[Yoni]

In my opinion waiting till this is all over to try hold people to account is not only dangerous but also an insult to all who have died, maybe needlesly so far. Once this is over the public will just be glad to get back to normal and like always it will be swept under the carpet and the world will probably find a scapegoat like China t be blamed for all the mistakes and deaths.

Ok please explain what this “holding to account involves” and cite the benefits you think will come from it - don’t you think doing this now will take focus away from what CURRENTLY needs to be done oO

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Ok please explain what this “holding to account involves” and cite the benefits you think will come from it - don’t you think doing this now will take focus away from what CURRENTLY needs to be done oO

Without me having to check back, we're you for or against the Trump Impeachment?

 

[Talivar]

We had almost the same conversation a week ago and those people in power are still promising to do the things soon, they are still not working with transparacy and still making false promises regarded tests, ppe and their plans and what advice they are recieving from the scientists. Holding them to account now might actually make them stand up be more honest and do what they have so far been promising to do. By not holding them to account and having no consequences it means they are free to make endless empty promises and false targets and not even give us honest stats about how many people have died in the country. I am not after public executions or even really after making them change personal, i am after them being made to do what they promise and say they will do and that will never happen while they are not being held to account.

 

[Yoni]

Yes but what actions should be taken to make them ? Puff pieces in the papers isn’t going to work?

 

[Yoni]

Without me having to check back, we're you for or against the Trump Impeachment?

For - but aware that nothing would really happen

 

[Talivar]

Well for starters people unite and all raise their voice at once as no matter what people think, it is the people that really have the power and the moment those in charge thougth that the general public was united against them then we would see change, people defending them or saying lets wait to this is over stops that from ever happening

 

[Yoni]

How will they do that - look at the number of people who raised their voices about Brexit? All this did was to irritate the population due to the delay after the vote enough to vote in the current government - not just with a majority but with a staggering majority. I was one of those people trying to delay Brexit and prevent the current outcome - so please tel me what can be done that will actually make a difference ?

 

[~Yuckfou~]

For - but aware that nothing would really happen

So you agree that going after the guy in charge is a reasonable thing to do. I also knew nothing would come if it, but you have to try sometimes.
Well Boris is apparently guilty of the equivalent of corporate manslaughter. I think it only fair that hard questions should be asked right now to see if that is the case and prevent more families from having to grieve.

 

[Talivar]

Not give in for one, just because your crusade failed does not mean we should never try again to get change. People are dieing and every day we are sending more of our staff into this fight and expecting them to risk their lives. The very least we can do is try to make sure the people in charge are being honest. Brexit was a gnat compared to this when it comes to importance and the impact it will have on peoples lifes.

 

[Deebs]

How will they do that - look at the number of people who raised their voices about Brexit? All this did was to irritate the population due to the delay after the vote enough to vote in the current government - not just with a majority but with a staggering majority. I was one of those people trying to delay Brexit and prevent the current outcome - so please tel me what can be done that will actually make a difference ?

We can all follow that fear mongering cunt Piers "I am a fear mongering lying cunt" Morgan

Turkey shipment of PPE from Turkey delayed. RAF sat on the runway waiting for the shipment. Guess what, Governments fault again. The entire fucking world is bidding for PPE. The UK will not always win. Testing kits, the UK purchased loads and found they didn't fucking work. Governments fault again. Just stop the shit and try and work together to get beyond this. Don't forget this is the 1st wave, there will be many more to come. The world has changed. That is a FACT. Life will not be normal after this.

What really fucks me off is everyone is focusing on the negatives and never the positive of which are there, the people that survive. The fact that the NHS is not over whelmed. The fact that the majority of intelligent people are practicing social distancing.

One thing I am angry about is that we do not enforce or ban any travel into the UK. If you have a legit need to be coming here then a mandatory 21 days quarantine. Not 14, not 7, 21.

 

[Deebs]

Not give in for one, just because your crusade failed does not mean we should never try again to get change. People are dieing and every day we are sending more of our staff into this fight and expecting them to risk their lives. The very least we can do is try to make sure the people in charge are being honest. Brexit was a gnat compared to this when it comes to importance and the impact it will have on peoples lifes.

It is a global issue. Every country is after PPE and there simply is not enough to go around due to manufacturing and what is required to actually make the PPE. Period. It is basically highest bidder wins. The Tory Government is here for the next few years. I would rather we all come together and get through this 1st wave. Get ready for the 2nd wave, hold those to account based on the advice they followed, whether it was scientific, medical or just a hunch.

 

[Yoni]

Not give in for one, just because your crusade failed does not mean we should never try again to get change. People are dieing and every day we are sending more of our staff into this fight and expecting them to risk their lives. The very least we can do is try to make sure the people in charge are being honest. Brexit was a gnat compared to this when it comes to importance and the impact it will have on peoples lifes.

I haven’t quit I am focussing on what I can do - helping in our apartment block - asking if my sick employees need help getting food etc etc - I am supporting the homeless buy contributing more than I normally do - ie I am taking positive actions where I live. I am not going to spend the energy I do have “would a, should a could a”

 

[Deebs]

I haven’t quit I am focussing on what I can do - helping in our apartment block - asking if my sick employees need help getting food etc etc - I am supporting the homeless but contributing more than I normally do - ie I am taking positive actions where I live. I am not going to spend the energy I do have “would a, should a could a”

Same though I am struggling. As a critical worker supporting CNI and Blue Lights (and have kids who are high risk) we have been asked to minimize our risk when volunteering. It is really hard and I drop a tear each night when watching the daily news conference as I am torn.

 

[Moriath]

Currently the nhs has not been stretched to the limits. The social isolation has meant that we remain within capacity for ventilators and icu beds.

No PPE will ever be 100% effective and some of the nhs staff have contracted the virus from outside of their day jobs.

The number of people who have died. Give or take some of the close carers. Have died despite all the medical help. Not because they were denied it.

To that mind there will always have been a big number of deaths even if we had all the ppe and medical support in the world.

we cant just magic ppe from thin air no matter how much the public shout about it.

the only thing which would have stopped so many deaths was no getting infected in the first place.

 

[Yoni]

I sit on other forums for foreigners abroad and some of the observations coming out of New York are absolutely harrowing :/

 

[Talivar]

You both sound like you are helping things at a ground level and that is just as important, you just both seem to have much more faith in the system than me regarding the fact people will be held to account. It is good to know that many of us are doing our bit to help though

 

[Deebs]

Currently the nhs has not been stretched to the limits. The social isolation has meant that we remain within capacity for ventilators and icu beds.

No PPE will ever be 100% effective and some of the nhs staff have contracted the virus from outside of their day jobs.

The number of people who have died. Give or take some of the close carers. Have died despite all the medical help. Not because they were denied it.

To that mind there will always have been a big number of deaths even if we had all the ppe and medical support in the world.

we cant just magic ppe from thin air no matter how much the public shout about it.

the only thing which would have stopped so many deaths was no getting infected in the first place.

Government fault though. Fuck me my internet has gone slow, Government fault though, also some cunt drove past my house with loud music coming from his car, gonna blame the Government.

 

[Bodhi]

Gove wasn't exactly chomping at the bit to point out even a single part of that "hit piece" that was inaccurate this morning. He resorted to sheepishly saying a response would be forthcoming (aka "PLEASE STOP ASKING") and then, while refusing to answer a question, he mumbled something about sharing facts in a transparent way.

Um, I'll assume you were watching a different interview?


View: https://twitter.com/AlStewartOBE/status/1251801152989118464?s=19

 

[Moriath]

Government fault though. Fuck me my internet has gone slow, Government fault though, also some cunt drove past my house with loud music coming from his car, gonna blame the Government.

Aye haha,

i cant believe the sheeple in the usa out in numbers protesting for the right to die.

well i mean opening everything up again will lead to more scenes like new york. But they worship the dollar and cant see past it because the social networks for support nationally are shite.

instead of supporting the poor they gave everyone 1200 dollars. It should be means tested or larger more regular payments to those in greatest need. I have a south African friend in new england and she paid taxes and all for years but because they are not citizens they get nothing. No help and if they have to apply for anything it will affect their citizenship application process as well.

we are lucky in the uk. Yes things could have been better. But everything can be in hind sight.

just think about third world countries. No medical treatments etc. And how much ppe they dont have.

In effect by the richest countries buying all the ppe up you are condemning the people in poorer places.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

we cant just magic ppe from thin air no matter how much the public shout about it.

O RLY?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw3LiTexrZO49MfkjMTOQlz5&cshid=1587316542182

Not to mention the little old ladies all over the place making masks for the general public. We have some that were distributed by our local town hall.

There are dozens if not hundreds of factories in the UK sitting idle right now.

 

[Deebs]

O RLY?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw3LiTexrZO49MfkjMTOQlz5&cshid=1587316542182

Not to mention the little old ladies all over the place making masks for the general public. We have some that were distributed by our local town hall.

There are dozens if not hundreds of factories in the UK sitting idle right now.

Sorry when did people making PPE at their homes pass all the regulation? I can sow a few socks together as well.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Sorry when did people making PPE at their homes pass all the regulation? I can sow a few socks together as well.

Crack on then.
We can't get "regulation" masks so they were gratefully received. I spray mine with anti-bac before use.
The ones being made in the factory for the health workers are regulation, poor deflect tbh.

 

[Jupitus]

Crack on then.
We can't get "regulation" masks so they were gratefully received. I spray mine with anti-bac before use.
The ones being made in the factory for the health workers are regulation, poor deflect tbh.

I'm sorry fella, but I don't want my O/H having to go meet her patients with a sub-standard piece of PPE....

 

[Bodhi]

Response to Sunday Times Insight article - Department of Health and Social Care Media Centre

Second one of these I've seen recently in response to nonsense claims from the media, when really they should be concentrating on beating this disease.

I noticed on Twitter a journalist suggesting that for the price of a coffee we can do our bit for journalism and buy a paper. So I did my bit.

I bought a coffee.

 

[Scouse]

the only thing which would have stopped so many deaths was no getting infected in the first place.

No.

The thing that would have stopped deaths would have been correctly managing this crisis in the first fucking place - following the instructions of the WHO.

Just like South Korea did, very succesfully, despite having a fuckton less notice than we did.

All this "oh it's a global problem" is no better than outright apologism. Thousands are dead and dying - needlessly.

 

[Bodhi]

No.

The thing that would have stopped deaths would have been correctly managing this crisis in the first fucking place - following the instructions of the WHO.

Just like South Korea did, very succesfully, despite having a fuckton less notice than we did.

All this "oh it's a global problem" is no better than outright apologism. Thousands are dead and dying - needlessly.

If you want to go there, the country that's been most successful at managing the outbreak has been Taiwan, and they aren't even recognised by the WHO.

Reason SK were so successful were they still had recent memories of SARS so still had the infrastructure in place.

Still, if only there was some way to rate how well prepared individual countries were for a Pandemic..

These are the top 10 countries for pandemic preparedness

Oh.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I'm sorry fella, but I don't want my O/H having to go meet her patients with a sub-standard piece of PPE....

Neither would I, the stuff for the health workers is not sub-standard as previously mentioned, reading fail?
If she follows the new guidelines she will be using second hand ppe.

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/econinbricks/status/1251826637458624512