Politics Coronavirus

[Scouse]

Benefits shouldn't apply to anyone who has a job. The private company that is making a profit should entirely care for that person.

 

[Scouse]

Yes, lockdown was bad for mental health. Not to do it would have been worse | Lucy Foulkes and Dirk Richter

When the next pandemic arrives, we should remember what we learned from this one, say academics Dirk Richter and Lucy Foulkes

www.theguardian.com

Was there any option that might have kept the infection rates and the mental health consequences low? There was: the elimination or suppression strategy that a handful of countries, such as Australia or South Korea, implemented. The “no Covid” approach allowed early reopenings because cases of infection were so low that the risks were manageable. As a result, these countries have had fewer Covid deaths, more economic growth and enjoyed more civil liberties.

 

[Embattle]

Thousands thought they were getting the Covid vaccine. They were injected with salt water instead | CNN

Thousands of people have fallen prey to an elaborate wide-ranging scam selling fake coronavirus vaccines in India, with doctors and medical workers among those arrested for their involvement, authorities say.

edition.cnn.com

 

[Moriath]

Yes, lockdown was bad for mental health. Not to do it would have been worse | Lucy Foulkes and Dirk Richter

When the next pandemic arrives, we should remember what we learned from this one, say academics Dirk Richter and Lucy Foulkes

www.theguardian.com

You know that half of aussie is in lockdown right now and its beginning to look a right mess?

 

[Gwadien]

You know that half of aussie is in lockdown right now and its beginning to look a right mess?

910 deaths Vs our 250k yeah a right mess.

0 deaths since October.

Yeah complete utter shambles.

 

[Aoami]

Seems like everyone I know is getting the 'rona all of a sudden lol

 

[Scouse]

You know that half of aussie is in lockdown right now and its beginning to look a right mess?

30,000 cases, 900 deaths. Since the start.

We're at 30,000 cases A DAY and we're coming out of lockdown.


Get your fucking head out of your Tory arse.

The “no Covid” approach allowed early reopenings because cases of infection were so low that the risks were manageable. As a result, these countries have had fewer Covid deaths, more economic growth and enjoyed more civil liberties.

Our government. THIS government is making the same mistakes repeatedly. It has resulted in over a hundred thousand preventable deaths and extended lockdowns for our entirely isolatable island state.

Their thinking is wrong. It has been for ages. The ONLY way to change this is to change the head of the programme - but you'll still vote for them.

 

[Moriath]

30,000 cases, 900 deaths. Since the start.

We're at 30,000 cases A DAY and we're coming out of lockdown.


Get your fucking head out of your Tory arse.



Our government. THIS government is making the same mistakes repeatedly. It has resulted in over a hundred thousand preventable deaths and extended lockdowns for our entirely isolatable island state.

Their thinking is wrong. It has been for ages. The ONLY way to change this is to change the head of the programme - but you'll still vote for them.

But they are having to lockdown cause their vaccination program has been a shambles.

i agree with opening stuff up now.

 

[Scouse]

But they are having to lockdown cause their vaccination program has been a shambles.

Australia: 30,000 cases in a whole year, 900 deaths
UK: 30,000 cases a DAY, 130,000 deaths.

Is guess that level of death is OK though, because we're good at sticking needles in peoples arms?

Vote Tory Mori (and @Embattle). Keep voting Tory.

If your local Tory councillor forcibly dry anal raped you in the voting booth, would you both still tick his name?

 

[Bodhi]

Yes, lockdown was bad for mental health. Not to do it would have been worse | Lucy Foulkes and Dirk Richter

When the next pandemic arrives, we should remember what we learned from this one, say academics Dirk Richter and Lucy Foulkes

www.theguardian.com

Dirk Richter is a researcher at Bern University hospital for mental health. Lucy Foulkes is an honorary lecturer in psychology at UCL

Just the people I'd have been going to for advice about managing a pandemic, a couple of psychologists. Not even professors, but lecturers and researchers. Bit like trying to get financial advice from the receptionist at Barclays tbh.

Given the UK's first death from COVID was in January, we'd probably have to have locked down and shut the borders like a bunch of demented Brexiteers in late January / early February. I'm fairly certain if I could be bothered to search that far back, the suggestions from you that we should be doing that would total a big fat zero.

As with most of your ideas, great in theory, however fall over the second they come into contact with the real world.

 

[Scouse]

@Bodhi - the article was about mental health impacts - and the effects of lockdowns and deaths.

 

[Bodhi]

@Bodhi - the article was about mental health impacts - and the effects of lockdowns and deaths.

Yet of the entire article you decided to pick up on the part about supression strategies - and it's highly dubious inclusion of South Korea in there as well.

Typical Zero COVID nonsense from The Guardian tbh.

 

[Gwadien]

Dying too young: Maps show little has changed in 170 years

Why do areas with high Covid death rates match places with the worst health in Victorian times?

www.bbc.co.uk

This is pretty striking.

 

[Lamp]

Awesome decision to open up nightclubs
The 18-30s are the most under-vaccinated section of society and the largest group affected by the Johnson (Delta) variant.

 

[Scouse]

Data not dates, @Moriath, @Embattle?

Global experts urge Boris Johnson to delay ‘dangerous’ Covid reopening

More than 100 scientists and doctors say move risks creating a generation with problems due to long Covid

www.theguardian.com

 

[Embattle]

Data not dates, @Moriath, @Embattle?

Global experts urge Boris Johnson to delay ‘dangerous’ Covid reopening

More than 100 scientists and doctors say move risks creating a generation with problems due to long Covid

www.theguardian.com

The government will no doubt also have a bunch of scientists telling them something else.

Personally I don't agree with the complete removal since I get the feeling the government is going to play games with the mask requirement by leaving it up to individuals and companies and ultimately blame those people and companies that feel the need to keep it and secondly I think they are being naive regarding the number of cases increasing, yes the vaccination rate will stop quite a lot of hospital cases and deaths but surely having increasing cases means you increase the chance of a new variant with it bouncing around so much.

 

[SilverHood]

They're talking about removing the mask mandate on public transport in NYC and Metro North, which I'm not entirely happy with. We're at an average of 350 new cases a day for the entire NY state, which is pretty low, but with tourists coming back in larger numbers, I'd rather it was just kept.

 

[Raven]

I'll still be wearing mine.

 

[Moriath]

I wont be anywhere near any mass transportation system so wont need to consider it

 

[Moriath]

‘Under current rules, those who receive an alert are asked to stay at home for up to 10 days, although the Department of Health said the app "is, and always has been, advisory" - unlike the requirement to isolate if you are contacted directly by NHS Test and Trace.’

DoH just torpedo’s its own app.

Dispite the app saying you can be fined if you ignore it.

NHS Covid app may change as rules change, Grant Shapps says

The transport secretary says the app's sensitivity may need to be reduced as restrictions change.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Raven]

The app has been Didoed, was from the start.

She's sports fucking the NHS next, all under the watchful eye of the Tories.

 

[Raven]

Covid: UK daily cases pass 50,000 for first time since January

It comes after England's chief medical officer warned hospitalisations could hit "scary numbers".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Moriath]

Covid: UK daily cases pass 50,000 for first time since January

It comes after England's chief medical officer warned hospitalisations could hit "scary numbers".

www.bbc.co.uk

Hospital numbers are no where near jan tho

 

[Raven]

The only positive.

 

[Embattle]

Hospital numbers are no where near jan tho

Indeed but my problem has always been the under playing of the risk of high cases causing another variant.

 

[Moriath]

Indeed but my problem has always been the under playing of the risk of high cases causing another variant.

True. But if we accept that zero covid isnt feasible what choice do we have apart from continued social distancing

 

[Embattle]

True. But if we accept that zero covid isnt feasible what choice do we have apart from continued social distancing

Sorry but that isn't what is being said by anyone, it is just people can't just pretend higher cases mean nothing.

 

[Tom]

True. But if we accept that zero covid isnt feasible what choice do we have apart from continued social distancing

You wait until the vast majority of the public is vaccinated. Which is exactly what this government doesn't seem to want to do.

 

[Gwadien]

I'm siding with the healthcare professionals who are saying 'can we chill out with hyping everyone with freedom day until cases have declined?'

 

[Aoami]

The only positive.

50,000 positives a day mate, it's right there in your post