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Loads of walk in vaccine centres have been setup here.

If all it took was to get a scary variant in we should have done it a long time ago! ;) (note winky face)

There's one literally a 2 minute walk from my house, gonna hold off until next week though when I'm off, can't really take any time off if I have side effects.

I've lasted this long, fingers crossed it doesn't kick off in the next two days.

Thankfully I don't work in Leicester.
 
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Gwadien said:
Loads of walk in vaccine centres have been setup here.

If all it took was to get a scary variant in we should have done it a long time ago! ;) (note winky face)

There's one literally a 2 minute walk from my house, gonna hold off until next week though when I'm off, can't really take any time off if I have side effects.

I've lasted this long, fingers crossed it doesn't kick off in the next two days.

Thankfully I don't work in Leicester.
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Can get it tomorrow are school. Dont have to delay over the weekend.
 
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Moriath said:

View: https://twitter.com/moorehn/status/1397513414214393857


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Yes. We've been saying all along that he's a cunt @Moriath. He's absolutely hitting the government for his own pleasure. He's a dickwad narcissist.

But it doesn't mean the content of what he's saying isn't true. He's hurting the government by showing what a big shitshow of liars they are, how incompetent they've been.

If you are still thinking about Dominik Cummings - who's a nobody in real terms - instead of the death - the very real and devestating death - caused by Tory incompetence and mismanagement then you're being a shoot-the-messenger idiot.

If you're looking at Cummings rather than the Tory party right now, you're just an apologist twat.
 
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Moriath said:

View: https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1397505236332392452


also this. Bad advice from experts at the beginning along with bad decisions.
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Thing is, if we go back to the expert's Twitter feeds back in Jan/Feb 2020, will they be full of calls to close the borders, or screaming at Trump for being racist and doing just that? Nobody was calling for border closures back then, nobody. I remember I flew out to LA for 2 weeks and Amsterdam for 4 days in February, the thought that the borders would be closed didn't cross my mind, as no one serious was considering it.

Also, has Dom checked out how Taiwan are doing right at this point?
 
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But, but, but.

If only we were an island with controllable borders.
 
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Thing is, if we go back to the expert's Twitter feeds back in Jan/Feb 2020, will they be full of calls to close the borders, or screaming at Trump for being racist and doing just that? Nobody was calling for border closures back then, nobody. I remember I flew out to LA for 2 weeks and Amsterdam for 4 days in February, the thought that the borders would be closed didn't cross my mind, as no one serious was considering it.

Also, has Dom checked out how Taiwan are doing right at this point?
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I kinda see where you were going. We hadnt had a true pandemic for nearly 100 years. Theres no living memory of that time so no one had any experience or clue the real world consequences and the best thing to do. Yes you can study and report as much as you like but until it happens and you have to plan and make choices that will effect peoples deaths its not the same.

i can see how we as the british always have. Said it cannot happen to us and carried on. Whats shit is the government didnt learn the lessons and kept doing that. Even with India. It seems still they Are not moving fast enough.

but that bullet point on point 6) who'd we not save.

its a rational thought process for any government. Not knowing the lockdowns would work you have to make sure that life goes on afterward. Who best to sacrifice if one is needed when not everyone can survive in a limit of resources. I dont see why everyones mad about that.
 
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Actually, I think you will find we had planning in place, the Tories threw it out the window. Then used it as an excuse to line their pockets.

Utter scum.
 
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I said about plans. I know there was a study and recommendations. What i said was its different making a decision that you can know is gonna kill the economy along with all those consequences. Whats not Understood really at that time is the otherside of the coin.

in hind sight it wasnt the correct choice. But I can see why it was made.

what i cannot see is the continuation of the same mistakes over and over.
 
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I said about plans. I know there was a study and recommendations. What i said was its different making a decision that you can know is gonna kill the economy along with all those consequences. Whats not Understood really at that time is the otherside of the coin.

in hind sight it wasnt the correct choice. But I can see why it was made.

what i cannot see is the continuation of the same mistakes over and over.
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No, there was literally a plan for pandemics which the Tories threw out relatively recently.

The continuation of mistakes is because they're playing politics over covid.

Weeks of finding out if lockdowns/shutting borders will piss off the electorate or not, and by the time they decide to do it (like pretty much every time) it's a bit too late.
 
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What a few people have highlighted is that his criticism of ministers excludes a couple of big names - Gove and Sunak. And considering he worked for Gove, it isn't hard to see how this could be the start of Gove's campaign to be the next leader of the Tory party. After all, all the wet turds of Brexit and Covid are now firmly on Johnson's face.
 
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Come on @Embattle. Explain why you facepalmed @Wij's factual post.

Was it the figures you hate? Are you so religiously indoctrinated that actual figures of actual deaths provokes an emotional reaction of utter denial in you?
 
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I would say I object to the endless implication ours are the worst, they are by no means good but again people use statistics in a way that suits their narrative. We've been through this issue some time last year and unlike you and sometimes others I don't feel the need to repeat myself since I and others said it is hard to compare countries directly with each other and it'll take many years after it is all over to actually find out the true cost.

www.economist.com

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities
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They aren't the worst, no.

But again, we are a fucking island, it really isn't that hard to stop people coming in, unless they fancy swimming the channel.

Which was what everyone was screaming for at the time.

Every single time we blocked a country it was "yeah mate, we are stopping travel a week next Thursday, thumbs up until then tho lol"

Weak, usleess Tories.
 
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Embattle said:
I would say I object to the endless implication ours are the worst, they are by no means good but again people use statistics in a way that suits their narrative.
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Got no narrative here. If the Tories were doing a great job I'd be voting for them wholeheartedly.

Only care about actual comparable statistics. Verifiable sensibly-selected statistics. Because I understand that statistics may indeed be used to suit a narrative - but when used properly, then there's only a single way to "interpret" them - the correct way.

Everything else is bullshit. And we're pretty fucking shit.

Measurably so.
 
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They aren't the worst, no.

But again, we are a fucking island, it really isn't that hard to stop people coming in, unless they fancy swimming the channel.

Which was what everyone was screaming for at the time.

Every single time we blocked a country it was "yeah mate, we are stopping travel a week next Thursday, thumbs up until then tho lol"

Weak, usleess Tories.
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That was mainly cause the first time they blocked a country they did it almost righht away and the public were up in arms that they didnt have time to get home or change plans. After that they gave like 5 days notice
 
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That was mainly cause the first time they blocked a country they did it almost righht away and the public were up in arms that they didnt have time to get home or change plans. After that they gave like 5 days notice
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...and your point is?
 
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Probably to show that many countries did much better.

You could find some that are worse in Eastern Europe if you wanted to.
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Ah yes the places that didn't take it seriously and probably still haven't had any lockdowns.
 
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That was mainly cause the first time they blocked a country they did it almost righht away and the public were up in arms that they didnt have time to get home or change plans. After that they gave like 5 days notice
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Fuck them then, fuck the optics, we're in a pandemic if you think it's sensible to fly during a pandemic you're a bit silly. This is exactly what I mean by playing politics. We should have had an emergency coalition Government so there's no need to play party politics, and anyone trying to do so during such a time would be the bad guy to the public.

It's pretty clear that people rushed out to India after the end of the last lockdown, then lots went to Istanbul after India to avoid the fees when getting back in the UK, Istanbul then had their own lockdown (but not for tourists) if this shit is common knowledge then it's pretty clear that the steps the Government were taking were not sufficient to reduce the spread.

Maybe charging poor migrant families a fortune to isolate in a hotel isn't the wisest idea.
 
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