Politics Coronavirus

[Yoni]

Had a kid sent home today because of symptoms.

We won't ever know if she actually has it because she's not sick enough to go to the hospital, so I could probably have it but we won't know until I'm on a respirator because they only test if they go into hospitals.

Gee thanks Tories.

If you are at risk then stay home - simple no?

 

[Scouse]

He already stated he has asthma

Thought that was @Moriath?

I think @Gwadien's just whining that he doesn't want to be exposed. In which case, being a teacher's a massive error as teaching = getting sick all the time.

 

[Scouse]

If you are at risk then stay home - simple no?

And this.

FFS. It's not rocket science.

 

[Yoni]

I am home isolating with symptoms- lg fever, cough etc etc - normally I would be in work but I have a woman unable to work from home who has extreme asthma so the office which is being virally cleaned twice daily is used ONLY by people who have no symptoms and with social distancing, one person per office 2m space at lunch. My employee is aware of the risk and has accepted it, the moment they feel the risk is high she will iaolate and take sick pay.

 

[Scouse]

Had to go back through the thread for this.

I'm not, and I do have asthma.

Fair enough. Current advice is to stay at work (for you). Keep your inhalers on you. Then if you start feeling poop go home and self isolate. If bad, 999.

At the moment that's pretty much the same as everyone else. But that article does have a section on "avoiding twitter" and "if you feel anxiety post on Freddyshouse so they can show you how little they give a fuck*".





Edit:
**since you're snowflaking to hell right now, we do give a fuck. (Well, @Job doesn't - he's probably wanking himself silly at the idea a leftwinger might die) - but the rest of us do.

Maybe.

 

[caLLous]

It now sounds like Johnson wants social venues to close without the responsibility of having to do it himself.

 

[Jupitus]

This whole thing will affect everyone, and not necessarily in the same ways. It IS right to show empathy for others in different circumstances from your own so can we try to keep a lid on it folks?

 

[Bodhi]

Would you all hate me more than you did already if I told you me and the wife are in the pub?

No one is getting closer than 2m to each other, and it seems a darn sight safer than Tesco earlier.

In fact we're seriously considering going for a curry.

 

[Job]

Totally being ignored tbh, the woods today were rammed with people staying off work, ice cream vans, big queues for the sandwhich bar.
I got the train home with my bike, full of people...no hand cleaners, everyone holding the handrails with bare hands.
Most people are ignoring it.

 

[Embattle]

I don't like assumptions nor party politics.

 

[Embattle]

Would you all hate me more than you did already if I told you me and the wife are in the pub?

No one is getting closer than 2m to each other, and it seems a darn sight safer than Tesco earlier.

In fact we're seriously considering going for a curry.

I wouldn't care so much but I do think it'll easily become irresponsible to do, you may get it and have it mild but someone who gets it from you may die.

 

[Bodhi]

I wouldn't care so much but I do think it'll easily become irresponsible to do, you may get it and have it mild but someone who gets it from you may die.

No different from the usual seasonal flu tbh, however my nans nursing home isn't accepting visitors, and am avoiding going to see my 78 year old mother.

 

[Scouse]

No different from the usual seasonal flu tbh

It very much is.

The risk profile of onward transmission is orders of magnitude higher.

However, it's unrealistic for all social interaction to stop. It must just be significantly lowered.

 

[caLLous]

No different from the usual seasonal flu tbh, however my nans nursing home isn't accepting visitors, and am avoiding going to see my 78 year old mother.

What @Scouse said. Socialising isn't going to stop but people saying it's "no different from the usual seasonal flu" is exactly why it's not being taken seriously.

 

[Embattle]

No different from the usual seasonal flu tbh, however my nans nursing home isn't accepting visitors, and am avoiding going to see my 78 year old mother.

Well it is since it's more deadly, plus it isn't necessarily your family.

It may just be someone else you are near who has a pre-existing condition, pre-existing conditions aren't particularly visible from the outside.

 

[Bodhi]

Tbh my nan is 97 and a seasonal flu could quite easily finish her off, hence my comment.

Also, see Israeli doctor I posted earlier suggesting it is incredibly similar.

 

[Scouse]

Yeah. We're locking down the entire planet because governments the world over have suddenly shit themselves about a new flu strain, despite scientific evidence that it's all harmless, right?

You're dumber than a box of frogs, you know?

 

[caLLous]

He just likes to project an image of being a bit of a lad on the internet.

 

[Embattle]

I think it is worth remembering that all usual viruses will still be doing the rounds at the same time.

I imagine quite a few cases of self isolation are little more than heavy colds, I mean mild cases of coronavirus have similar symptoms and without testing you have to self isolate.

 

[Scouse]

We've not been told "don't go to the pub" to be fair. We've been told to "avoid it".

That's fair enough. Just cut down - a fair bit if you can. If we get told to "not go", then don't go.

Simple.

 

[Bodhi]

Yeah. We're locking down the entire planet because governments the world over have suddenly shit themselves about a new flu strain, despite scientific evidence that it's all harmless, right?

You're dumber than a box of frogs, you know?

No, you're just too busy wanking yourself into a righteous frenzy you've forgotten how to read, as per fucking usual.

I was told I could pass it on to someone it could kill, I said that was the same as the usual seasonal flu. The viruses aren't the same no, in fact Covid19 is the same family of viruses as the Common Cold. Oh yeah, and those SARS and MERS things.

However ,in terms of approach, I'll listen to the expert who guided China through it that I posted earlier.

the flu, most of those dying as a result of coronavirus are over 70 years old, Levitt said. “It is a known fact that the flu mostly kills the elderly—around three-quarters of flu mortalities are people over 65.” To put things in proportion: “there are years when flu is raging, like in the U.S. in 2017, when there were three times the regular number of mortalities. And still, we did not panic. That is my message: you need to think of corona like a severe flu. It is four to eight times as strong as a common flu, and yet, most people will remain healthy and humanity will survive.”

So for us healthy lot the approach is the same as it should be for a strong bout of the flu - keep away from the vulnerable and elderly, however the rest of us have little to fear.

 

[Scouse]

Sorry @Bodhi, but I can read quite well - despite what you've just said this holds:

No different from the usual seasonal flu tbh

Yes still different.

You might be avoiding your gran / nursing homes. But anyone you could potentially pass it on to might not be as conscientious as you - and that still counts as your responsibility.

You have to be extra cautious - over and above how you would be with seasonal flu - because you're still ultimately responsible for that secondary transition.

As much as you've always wanted to be (and your long posting history proves this) - no man is an an island.

That goes double during a potentially deadly pandemic.




- but still. Go pub now and again? Until they ban it, reasonable restraint and sensible distancing should be the order of the day for healthy people.

 

[SilverHood]

I was out and about in NYC weekend, one last chance before everything shut down. Probably not the best idea, but life must go on.

The subway going to work this morning was almost empty, maybe 8 people in my car. On a normal day, I would barely be able to squeeze on.

Restaurants have been limited to take out and delivery only. All gatherings of more than 50 people have been banned. New Jersey has imposed a curfew from 8PM to 5AM. Be interesting to see how they enforce it. There's panic at the supermarkets now. Give it a few days and things should calm down.

 

[Job]

1500 people dead and Europe is on the brink of economic meltdown.

The after effects of that will kill far more people down the road than corona.

 

[Deebs]

But that isn't true.

It's true - Government's love a crisis because it means everyone becomes super compliant and ignores the sinister motives.

You do realise this is not a once only event for this virus? We have to become infected to a) build immunity b) to create a big enough herd with immunity that the virus cannot move around a population very easily.

My two kids and their mum have chronic asthma and I worry for them but there is nothing I can but offer advice about social distancing, good hygiene and saving money whereever possible for that rainy time which is coming.

I understand your concerns.

 

[Job]

Reddit showerthought..so true.

If the economy can't take a 2 week vacation then it's just as broke as we are.

 

[Deebs]

Fuck off bitch.

Come on man, no need for this level of behaviour.

 

[Yoni]

Come on man, no need for this level of behaviour.

It’s ok - it isn’t the worst insult I have received over the internet . If needed I can deal with it myself without ripping a new one.

 

[caLLous]

A reminder to those smugly ignoring advice to avoid getting too close to others - it's not just about the elderly, people of all ages can die from it. They might have a pre-existing condition without knowing it, like this 21 year old Spanish football coach who just died. He only found out he had leukaemia when he started showing COVID-19 symptoms and went to get tested.

 

[Yoni]

I have been thinking about this a lot over night and although I understand for some of you it is difficult to go wihtout sociability I believe that as much as possible you should respect the requests of your governments and for the UK / Sweden that means avoid unecessary contacts and in other countries it means fill out a form to go outside to get food or take a walk.

I believe that the UK are not forcing this not because they do not want to take responsibility but they are hoping that the citizens of the UK can behave responsibly and do what is asked. It will put a massive strain on emergency services should people just carry on as normal to a point where they resort to martial law. I really believe that it is incredibly selfish to carry on meeting in groups as going down the pubs with your mates even with social distancing could start a cluster of infection which will lead to martial law - effecively what is happening in France and Spain.

The UK and Sweden (and other countries not using policing now to ensure people stay in doors as recommended) are hoping that citizens can do the right thing. From what i see in my area in Stockholm, citizens are staying home, going to the shops where necessary, utlising home delivery networks etec etc. Currently there has been an update in that all schools with children over 16 are moving to distance learning leaving pre, low and mid schools open only as to close these will effect the efficiency of the emergency services.