Politics Coronavirus

[Yoni]

Alright, Karen, enough with the sadfaces now

Or do you get upset by the fact that a meeting on a bus possibly saved millions of lives?

I'm sure the bus was purchased while we were in the EU, it probably didn't need 28 (at the time) board members to authorise its purchase tho.

No I just think you are sad ... punt!

 

[Raven]

I'll be sad and vaccinated then

Before summer too, looking forward to getting back to semi-normality.

 

[Yoni]

good for you Enjoy the levels of normality I have been able to enjoy for the last 23 months ....should I have wanted to oO

 

[Raven]

good for you Enjoy the levels of normality I have been able to enjoy for the last 23 months ....should I have wanted to oO

I'm glad it worked (sort of, it's still a shit show) for your tiny population per square KM, really I am, but SWE strategy would simply not work in the UK. 25 people per KM2 (SWE) vs 275* per KM2 (UK)...but yeah, compare the two.

Or is simple mathematics also gloating...?

*which also, obviously, includes the desolate wastes of Scotland, so real density is much, much higher.

 

[Raven]

Edit, you just can't compare the two, mathematically the numbers are pretty close and that is the only thing you can loosely compare...if you're gagging for a comparison.

SWE

10mil population, 13k deaths

UK

70mil population, 126k deaths

There are also further factors, already mentioned, population density, the fact that UK winter is basically the same as UK summer as far as mixing is concerned, international travel and so on and so forth.

If you're one of those idiots that still thinks lock-downs don't work then, well, frankly Darwin steps in and tells you to get on with it and hope for the best.

Also, gloating or whatever, I guess...

 

[Jupitus]

Oh purlease, @Raven - stop with the badgering. @Yoni - I understand but please don't feed it....

 

[Raven]

Oh purlease, @Raven - stop with the badgering. @Yoni - I understand but please don't feed it....

Sorry, what? Continued digs a at the UK response (rightly so for the most part) then brushing over EU ineptitude? Really?

And like I keep saying, criticism over UK government and deaths then furiously whining about so-called gloating (despite the fact, nobody is gloating, and the accusation that people are gloating over people dying being sickening in itself)

The EU is not and has never been, in this global pandemic, anywhere near to being competent or efficient, and I'm pretty sure it is still OK to comment on an ongoing situation.

...and yes, comparing demographics is pertinent when someone is trying to compare deaths per capita.

 

[Moriath]

Edit, you just can't compare the two, mathematically the numbers are pretty close and that is the only thing you can loosely compare...if you're gagging for a comparison.

SWE

10mil population, 13k deaths

UK

70mil population, 126k deaths

There are also further factors, already mentioned, population density, the fact that UK winter is basically the same as UK summer as far as mixing is concerned, international travel and so on and so forth.

If you're one of those idiots that still thinks lock-downs don't work then, well, frankly Darwin steps in and tells you to get on with it and hope for the best.

Also, gloating or whatever, I guess...

So that would be 91k deaths if the population was the same. Not exactly a shining beacon of greatness.

 

[Raven]

Yes, but you can get your nails done in Sweden.

 

[Jupitus]

Ok, so a MOD message to EVERYONE instead. Can we please try to stop this Brexit / UK / EU blithering around what is a tragic and global pandemic? This should not be a fucking points scoring exercise and I find it all very distasteful.

EDIT: @Deebs and @MYstIC G please step in if I am being unreasonable!!!

 

[Raven]

Erm, sorry again, what exactly has this got to do with Brexit? Brexit has been and gone and actually has no real effect on vaccine development or distribution (all vaccines having been an international effort, not just UK, EU, rest of the world/whatever tribal label you want) Also, who exactly is point scoring and how? The only person accusing others of gloating/point scoring over people actually dying is Yoni, which is disgusting.

The main point being that you cannot compare countries on deaths alone, there are massive amounts of variables. BUT, the UK have got on with it and got the ball rolling early with vaccine acquirement and distribution, meanwhile the EU are still fucking about and actually causing unnecessary deaths (and have actual stockpiles of vaccines ffs, use them)

Also, this EU scheme was entirely optional and even the UK was invited to join, despite us no longer being in the EU. This has absolutely fuck all to do with Brexit.

 

[MYstIC G]

Ok, so a MOD message to EVERYONE instead. Can we please try to stop this Brexit / UK / EU blithering around what is a tragic and global pandemic? This should not be a fucking points scoring exercise and I find it all very distasteful.

EDIT: @Deebs and @MYstIC G please step in if I am being unreasonable!!!

Given my sarcasm about the bickering earlier in the thread it's hard to disagree with you @Jupitus and I do think it would be good for everyone if all the metaphorical willy waving stopped.

But by this logic amigo, if that's our ask you can't say @Raven bad @Yoni good as they're both on one side of the fence doing the same thing, no?

 

[Moriath]

Ok, so a MOD message to EVERYONE instead. Can we please try to stop this Brexit / UK / EU blithering around what is a tragic and global pandemic? This should not be a fucking points scoring exercise and I find it all very distasteful.

EDIT: @Deebs and @MYstIC G please step in if I am being unreasonable!!!

Nothing to do with brexit here. Just swedish policy marked as a good thing when actually its nothing of the sort just they have a small population

swedens not even in the EU

 

[Jupitus]

Given my sarcasm about the bickering earlier in the thread it's hard to disagree with you @Jupitus and I do think it would be good for everyone if all the metaphorical willy waving stopped.

But by this logic amigo, if that's our ask you can't say @Raven bad @Yoni good as they're both on one side of the fence doing the same thing, no?

Agree 100% - the first comment was based on the most recent posts, the 2nd was more general to say 'everyone is being an asshat here' ....

 

[Raven]

swedens not even in the EU

eh? They don't use the monopoly money but they are in the EU.

 

[Aoami]

Over-70s could get booster Covid jab from September - vaccines minister more good news for all you old bastards

 

[Deebs]

Over-70s could get booster Covid jab from September - vaccines minister more good news for all you old bastards

Fuck that rules out @Jupitus getting his second jab as I read the headline as those over 70cm tall....

 

[Ormorof]

swedens not even in the EU

You are thinking of Norway...

 

[Embattle]

Fuck that rules out @Jupitus getting his second jab as I read the headline as those over 70cm tall....

So if we put you face down on the floor you would still technically be taller than him

 

[Jupitus]

Twats.

 

[Embattle]

Nice little video:


View: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-56450968

 

[Raven]

I am seriously proud of the NHS right now.

Covid vaccine: How many people are vaccinated in the UK?

A look at progress made in vaccinating the country, as more than 52 million people have received at least one dose and 38 million have had a booster or third dose.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Raven]

Beacon Hospital: Covid-19 vaccine programme to be halted

The Beacon Hospital administered 20 leftover vaccines to teachers at a private school.

www.bbc.co.uk

Surely using up spare vaccines at the end of the day is sensible? And using them to vaccinate 20 teachers even more so?

I'm not sure how it is working in ROI but here they are tying to use up as many leftovers as possible, one of the local doctors even said at one point to phone towards the end of the day to see if any were left over.

 

[Gwadien]

Beacon Hospital: Covid-19 vaccine programme to be halted

The Beacon Hospital administered 20 leftover vaccines to teachers at a private school.

www.bbc.co.uk

Surely using up spare vaccines at the end of the day is sensible? And using them to vaccinate 20 teachers even more so?

I'm not sure how it is working in ROI but here they are tying to use up as many leftovers as possible, one of the local doctors even said at one point to phone towards the end of the day to see if any were left over.

I dunno, a private hospital giving jabs to private school staff...

 

[Scouse]

Vaccine passports for UK pubs 'not a good idea', says behaviour expert

Restrictions being considered by the government could add to hestancy and feelings of social exclusion

www.theguardian.com

“negative incentives” barring people from their everyday lives would lead people to behave “very negatively”

I second that. I'll be getting the vaccine but the first fucker who gives me shit about not proving it would get a big mouthful.

I predict fights if they try it.

 

[Embattle]

I see Brazil may well soon reach 4000 deaths a day from Covid.

 

[Moriath]

I dunno, a private hospital giving jabs to private school staff...

Its illegal for a private practice to distribute the vaccine. Only the nhs is authorised to distribute it In the UK. For this reason.

 

[Gwadien]

Its illegal for a private practice to distribute the vaccine. Only the nhs is authorised to distribute it In the UK. For this reason.

It's in Ireland, so I'd imagine all hospitals so iirc all their hospitals are private, but all their schools aren't.

 

[Embattle]

EU vaccine roll-out - the needle and the damage done

For the European Union, the second quarter cannot come soon enough. The vaccine roll-out has been beset by problems, some unforeseen, some the responsibility of member states, some down to the European Commission's procurement strategy, and some of it down to AstraZeneca.

www.rte.ie

 

[Embattle]

Mexico increased it covid deaths by 60% -

Mexico says country's true Covid death toll is 60% higher than official test-confirmed number

The higher toll would rival that of Brazil, which currently has the world's second-highest number of deaths after the United States.

www.cnbc.com