Politics Coronavirus

[Bodhi]

You have to have it for it to be able to mutate. The unvaccinated are the route to mutation.

Well no, the route to mutation so far appears to be pumping immunocompromised people full of antibodies in hospitals:

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

There's also the factor that even vaccinated people can still get COVID, and as they already have antibodies it gives the virus something to try and evade, main difference between them and the example mentioned above is vaccinated people have T-Cells, those being pumped with antibodies won't, so they will have more protection. Not as much as through a natural infection (vaccines just use the spike protein, natural infection you get the whole virus), but still enough for it to be no more than a cold.

Admittedly I am now struggling to see the point in taking the vaccine personally. I have already had it and am not in the at-risk category, and going by the pronouncements from PHE over the weekend (keeping masks and social distancing even after it's all over), it doesn't look like it will result in more freedom, so as it is I am struggling to see the point, personally. I especially don't see why I as a healthy 40 year old with a strong immune system, should be prioritised over someone vulnerable in another country.

Do the over 50's, then send the rest of our doses to a country that needs them tbh.

 

[Moriath]

Well no, the route to mutation so far appears to be pumping immunocompromised people full of antibodies in hospitals:

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

There's also the factor that even vaccinated people can still get COVID, and as they already have antibodies it gives the virus something to try and evade, main difference between them and the example mentioned above is vaccinated people have T-Cells, those being pumped with antibodies won't, so they will have more protection. Not as much as through a natural infection (vaccines just use the spike protein, natural infection you get the whole virus), but still enough for it to be no more than a cold.

Admittedly I am now struggling to see the point in taking the vaccine personally. I have already had it and am not in the at-risk category, and going by the pronouncements from PHE over the weekend (keeping masks and social distancing even after it's all over), it doesn't look like it will result in more freedom, so as it is I am struggling to see the point, personally. I especially don't see why I as a healthy 40 year old with a strong immune system, should be prioritised over someone vulnerable in another country.

Do the over 50's, then send the rest of our doses to a country that needs them tbh.

Everytime the virus replicates theres a chance of mutation. Its how survival of the fittest works.
the more jumps to people the more chance. Its random that a mutation beats the vaccine. Its a mutation that allows it to spread faster for example and changes it enough that the vaccine doesnt work any more. Its not changed specifically to get around a vaccine. That would mean it knew about the vaccine which it doesnt.

 

[Aoami]

View: https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1372558962466373635

 

[Raven]

Coronavirus: Germany imposes Easter lockdown to curb new surge

Rising infections have put Germany in a "very serious" situation, Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

www.bbc.co.uk

wtf is going on in France and Germany?!

 

[Scouse]

White poverty.

It'd be interesting to hear what @Job has to say on this subject. Persistence amongst the very poor white working class.

 

[dysfunction]

White poverty.

It'd be interesting to hear what @Job has to say on this subject. Persistence amongst the very poor white working class.

Another click bait covered up link. What's this to do with white poverty? It's to do with people bucking the trend

 

[Scouse]

Another click bait covered up link. What's this to do with white poverty? It's to do with people bucking the trend

We've discussed Merthyr before and @Job's take was that it was Bradford and the asian populations that were the really problematic areas.

But it's not - it's the white poverty areas (white white Merthyr being the leading light, but it's a pattern in other areas) - not just for non-adherence to covid rules but to a range of antisocial, criminal and, frankly, all the "bad" metrics.

Job has made the point (that nobody could hear because of his overt racism clouding the message) that poor white people are the most left-behind people in the UK. There are programmes to ensure the lot of ethnic minorities is improved - but nothing specifically targetting these populations - and that's what rubbed Job up the wrong way.

This sort of problem requires targetted intervention (obvs.) but also wholesale economic reform which can deal with opportunity, education and social mobility. As it is - this problem is multi-generational and directly related to poverty (as are the cases with ethnic minorities).

But absolutely, the biggest problem is with the lowest rung of poor white folk. So that's why I'm pointing it out.

 

[Scouse]

BTW - It's hardly clickbait - clickbait is "10 reasons coronavirus is bad in YOUR area" or somesuch shit - it adds nothing to describe what the link or argument is about.

My link said "white poverty" - which is the exact subject I wanted first and foremost in your mind as you read the article. And the sentences following gave a bit more detail about the problem being persistence amongst white working class.

So bugger off with that. I don't accept it.

 

[Moriath]

BTW - It's hardly clickbait - clickbait is "10 reasons coronavirus is bad in YOUR area" or somesuch shit - it adds nothing to describe what the link or argument is about.

My link said "white poverty" - which is the exact subject I wanted first and foremost in your mind as you read the article. And the sentences following gave a bit more detail about the problem being persistence amongst white working class.

So bugger off with that. I don't accept it.

Its click bait cause you dont put in the link the title of the site linked to. You bait people into clicking it to find out what the heck you are going on about and what relevance the link has to it. Why cant you link like everyone else does so it shows the site and title of linked article instead of the way you do.

 

[Bodhi]

Another click bait covered up link. What's this to do with white poverty? It's to do with people bucking the trend

I can answer this question - it has bugger all to do with White Poverty, it's people getting bored of the restrictions (which have been ongoing far longer in Wales than they have over here) and deciding to crack on. Same is happening round here in Middle England, people have just had enough, no matter how much or little they earn.

Although if someone has such an issue with white poverty, it's interesting how they became such a cheerleader for a policy which makes it worse. a.k.a - Arson enthusiast discovers fire is a bit on the hot side.

 

[Scouse]

Its click bait cause you dont put in the link the title of the site linked to. You bait people into clicking it to find out what the heck you are going on about and what relevance the link has to it. Why cant you link like everyone else does so it shows the site and title of linked article instead of the way you do.

Yeahhhhhh, no.

 

[Scouse]

I can answer this question - it has bugger all to do with White Poverty, it's people getting bored of the restrictions (which have been ongoing far longer in Wales than they have over here) and deciding to crack on. Same is happening round here in Middle England, people have just had enough, no matter how much or little they earn.

Please to be backing this up with Data.

There's a correlation between the poorest white people, lowest educational attainment, unemployment, yadda yadda - you know, poverty. Specifically white people. Therefore white poverty - and not just lack of adherence to covid policies (and the clear covid-related outcomes), but issues right across the social impoverishment stack.

Although if someone has such an issue with white poverty, it's interesting how they became such a cheerleader for a policy which makes it worse. a.k.a - Arson enthusiast discovers fire is a bit on the hot side.

What policy am I "cheerleading" that makes things worse?

 

[Bodhi]

Please to be backing this up with Data.

There's a correlation between the poorest white people, lowest educational attainment, unemployment, yadda yadda - you know, poverty. Specifically white people. Therefore white poverty - and not just lack of adherence to covid policies (and the clear covid-related outcomes), but issues right across the social impoverishment stack.




What policy am I "cheerleading" that makes things worse?

Sorry, but it's not my job to provide data here - you have provided an assertion that people are having parties because "White Poverty", but with fuck all evidence to back this up and a tone that suggests you cannot be questioned. And what's that old saying?

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

So please, show your working.

And I have no idea what policy I could possibly be talking about. Perhaps one which has decimated the sectors where poor white people tend to work at a guess?

 

[dysfunction]

BTW - It's hardly clickbait - clickbait is "10 reasons coronavirus is bad in YOUR area" or somesuch shit - it adds nothing to describe what the link or argument is about.

My link said "white poverty" - which is the exact subject I wanted first and foremost in your mind as you read the article. And the sentences following gave a bit more detail about the problem being persistence amongst white working class.

So bugger off with that. I don't accept it.

So you wanted to give me a bias while reading an article?
So yes it is click bait as I have to click it to find out what the actual story is about.

If you don't mask the link I can then make up my mind about clicking it or not.

 

[Scouse]

So you wanted to give me a bias while reading an article?

Oh for fucks sake don't be so precious.

If you read the article you don't get the point that it's a white area. I wanted to talk about ethnicity being a factor in these poverty-stricken areas. This is a discussion forum - that's what I wanted to discuss.

Clickbait headlines don't add meaning or context, add no value. They mask the subject matter. The link name I used IS the subject matter - the link itself is the results / evidence to be discussed.

 

[Scouse]

lol:

Are you entitled to a holiday abroad or are you not middle-class?

FOREIGN holidays may not be possible this summer. Are you already looking for loopholes to exercise your God-given right, or is your big shop not from Ocado?

www.thedailymash.co.uk

 

[dysfunction]

Oh for fucks sake don't be so precious.

If you read the article you don't get the point that it's a white area. I wanted to talk about ethnicity being a factor in these poverty-stricken areas. This is a discussion forum - that's what I wanted to discuss.

Clickbait headlines don't add meaning or context, add no value. They mask the subject matter. The link name I used IS the subject matter - the link itself is the results / evidence to be discussed.

Lol being precious. I'm not the one getting wound up. Just making a point.

It's just annoying and completely unnecessary to mask the link. Someone else mentioned it in another post also so not just me. But carry on. I'll just ignore the link from now on instead.

 

[Aoami]

I can answer this question - it has bugger all to do with White Poverty, it's people getting bored of the restrictions (which have been ongoing far longer in Wales than they have over here) and deciding to crack on. Same is happening round here in Middle England, people have just had enough, no matter how much or little they earn.

Although if someone has such an issue with white poverty, it's interesting how they became such a cheerleader for a policy which makes it worse. a.k.a - Arson enthusiast discovers fire is a bit on the hot side.

Only people I know regularly breaching the rules and having get togethers/parties are my in-laws and all their very middle class white friends, for exactly the reason you mentioned.

 

[Moriath]

Yeahhhhhh, no.

Standard internet practice is to know what you are clicking on before you click it. You hide that. I can make no informed decision on where the link goes or what it might be exposing me to. I simply wont be clicking on anything you post like that.

 

[Wij]

Standard internet practice is to know what you are clicking on before you click it. You hide that. I can make no informed decision on where the link goes or what it might be exposing me to. I simply wont be clicking on anything you post like that.

Oh come on. What's the worst that could happen?

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[Bodhi]

Only people I know regularly breaching the rules and having get togethers/parties are my in-laws and all their very middle class white friends, for exactly the reason you mentioned.

Going by where my dear old mother lives, just you wait til everyone's jabs start kicking in, there will be no stopping them.

 

[Moriath]

Oh come on. What's the worst that could happen?

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Theres some stuff thats resistant to anti biotics now

 

[MYstIC G]

Standard internet practice is to know what you are clicking on before you click it. You hide that. I can make no informed decision on where the link goes or what it might be exposing me to. I simply wont be clicking on anything you post like that.

If you don't hover over a link to see what the URL is before you click it then you've been interneting wrongly for quite some time.

On the other hand I don't know why @Scouse bothers to change the names, seems like unnecessary work to me.

 

[Scouse]

On the other hand I don't know why @Scouse bothers to change the names, seems like unnecessary work to me.

Depends on context. Do sometimes, don't others. Takes seconds - and potentialy saves times as I don't have to write whole sentences describing context when a couple of words can provide it

 

[Ormorof]

If you don't hover over a link to see what the URL is before you click it then you've been interneting wrongly for quite some time.

On the other hand I don't know why @Scouse bothers to change the names, seems like unnecessary work to me.

Cant hover on mobile

 

[MYstIC G]

Cant hover on mobile

Pfft, long press on link and it shows URL

 

[dysfunction]

Pfft, long press on link and it shows URL

It shows the URL but not the original headline

Scouse Clickbait

Covid: Parties go on in Merthyr despite case rate spike

More than 200 people were fined in south Wales - many at illegal house parties in Merthyr.

www.bbc.co.uk

Second one give me loads of info that Scouse deliberate obscures.
I may have already read the story but yet have to click on it to find out what he is going on about.
Totally unnecessary.

 

[Scouse]

It shows the URL but not the original headline

Scouse Clickbait

Covid: Parties go on in Merthyr despite case rate spike

More than 200 people were fined in south Wales - many at illegal house parties in Merthyr.

www.bbc.co.uk

Second one give me loads of info that Scouse deliberate obscures.
I may have already read the story but yet have to click on it to find out what he is going on about.
Totally unnecessary.

"Scouse Clickbait" doesn't say anything about the subject matter.

"White Poverty" IS the subject matter - the story is just link to evidence, not the main part or focus of the post.

I've been posting links in sentences since Barrysworld days and nobody has blinked until @Moriath had a hissy fit (as he is wont, occasionally) the other day - and you jumped on that bandwagon.

Add to that - the summarisation/presentation of raw of links in that way is a (relatively) new feature of forum software - and I often use it, when appropriate.

Other times I'm going to put a subject (White Poverty) or a whole sentence and a link as part or the whole of it.

It's been a thing for decades and I ain't changing just because you've suddenly jumped on the mori 'random offence' bandwagon.

 

[dysfunction]

"Scouse Clickbait" doesn't say anything about the subject matter.

"White Poverty" IS the subject matter - the story is just link to evidence, not the main part or focus of the post.

I've been posting links in sentences since Barrysworld days and nobody has blinked until @Moriath had a hissy fit (as he is wont, occasionally) the other day - and you jumped on that bandwagon.

So it ain't changing.

lol. ok suit yourself

 

[Bodhi]

No problem with changing the text on the link, but I'm still searching for the link between White Poverty and people deciding to have a party.