Politics Coronavirus

[Yoni]

Seriously what does the VI not understand about the UK IS part of Europe even if they left the european union. Why oh why is Europe the bad guy always to the VI. What did europe do to the idiot that the worlds problems are in the EU. If the VI read enough papers he would know that Germany have been airlifting patients from Italy but in a time when we should all just pull together the VI and idiots like him thing it is great to continue tearing things apart. If the VI read enough papers he would know that each country is trying to get themselves ready for the "enevitable" just like the UK is doing at this time. I am so fucking sick to death of the VI and people like him - Brexit happened the UK will leave the european union at the end of this year, BUT whether the VI likes it or not they are still part of Europe. The VI is everything that is wrong with society today in EVERY country...

 

[Deebs]

Seriously what does the VI not understand about the UK IS part of Europe even if they left the european union. Why oh why is Europe the bad guy always to the VI. What did europe do to the idiot that the worlds problems are in the EU. If the VI read enough papers he would know that Germany have been airlifting patients from Italy but in a time when we should all just pull together the VI and idiots like him thing it is great to continue tearing things apart. If the VI read enough papers he would know that each country is trying to get themselves ready for the "enevitable" just like the UK is doing at this time. I am so fucking sick to death of the VI and people like him - Brexit happened the UK will leave the european union at the end of this year, BUT whether the VI likes it or not they are still part of Europe. The VI is everything that is wrong with society today in EVERY country...

No, we have left the EU but are in a transition stage. However I feel the same as you, park politics, park Brexit, park everything not related to healthcare and work on solving the problem.

 

[caLLous]

No, we have left the EU but are in a transition stage. However I feel the same as you, park politics, park Brexit, park everything not related to healthcare and work on solving the problem.

Tell that to the government tbh. This whole situation exists because they flounced out of an EU scheme they were being welcomed into and now they're lying to try and save face.

 

[Deebs]

Tell that to the government tbh. This whole situation exists because they flounced out of an EU scheme they were being welcomed into and now they're lying to try and save face.

Um we have not run out of ventilators yet so why the hysteria?

 

[Embattle]

In reality whether we are in the ventilator scheme or out of it really doesn't change the basic issue, demand is skyrocketing and supply isn't any where near enough nor is it able to quickly increase the supply.

As an example a German company stated that the 100000 ventilators the US government wanted to buy was the total amount made each year.

In a pandemic you can't suck up the supply from elsewhere to ease the problem, unlike when Ebola hit parts of Africa where the demand was local but the supply was worldwide.

Plus we are seeing some bad outcomes from buying quickly, from bad test kits to bad facemasks.

Most countries are going to have to source ventilators locally somehow.

I also don't think our leaving the EU should be allowed to take up government bandwidth at this time.

 

[Moriath]

In reality whether we are in the ventilator scheme or out of it really doesn't change the basic issue, demand is skyrocketing and supply isn't any where near enough nor is it able to quickly increase the supply.

As an example a German company stated that the 100000 ventilators the US government wanted to buy was the total amount made each year.

In a pandemic you can't suck up the supply from elsewhere to ease the problem, unlike when Ebola hit parts of Africa where the demand was local but the supply was worldwide.

Plus we are seeing some bad outcomes from buying quickly, from bad test kits to bad facemasks.

Most countries are going to have to source ventilators locally somehow.

I also don't think our leaving the EU should be allowed to take up government bandwidth at this time.

They have suspended brexit talks so it isnt taking government time up atm

 

[caLLous]

Um we have not run out of ventilators yet so why the hysteria?

Sorry, by "situation" I meant specifically the bit about parking politics and Brexit (I thought I'd bolded that bit of your quote but obviously I didn't).

The UK was perfectly entitled and indeed invited to participate but turned it down with some smarmy spokesman saying "we're not an EU member any more". Now they're busy making up lies about communication issues and unread emails and whatever else. All of this subsequent criticism and line of questioning could so easily have been avoided had they just politely said "we're ok thanks chaps, we'll do our own thing" (most of the other members taking part in the EU scheme are doing their own thing alongside).

In reality whether we are in the ventilator scheme or out of it really doesn't change the basic issue, demand is skyrocketing and supply isn't any where near enough nor is it able to quickly increase the supply.

I hope they're sure of their numbers because Gtech were lined up to manufacture thousands of ventilators but the government told them they didn't need them.

 

[Deebs]

Sorry, by "situation" I meant specifically the bit about parking politics and Brexit (I thought I'd bolded that bit of your quote but obviously I didn't).

The UK was perfectly entitled and indeed invited to participate but turned it down with some smarmy spokesman saying "we're not an EU member any more". Now they're busy making up lies about communication issues and unread emails and whatever else. All of this subsequent criticism and line of questioning could so easily have been avoided had they just politely said "we're ok thanks chaps, we'll do our own thing" (most of the other members taking part in the EU scheme are doing their own thing alongside).

I hope they're sure of their numbers because Gtech were lined up to manufacture thousands of ventilators but the government told them they didn't need them.

Ok, can you tell me how Spain and Italy are doing? Obviously being members of the EU they are fine I guess? The point is that NO government in the world is prepared for this, whether a standalone nation, a union or anything else. Just leave politics aside ffs. It is tiresome and fucking petty.

 

[Job]

Oh how predictable.

The EU have TOTALLY fucked up and you retreat to tired old ..more EU will fix it

This is a fucking epic disaster for the monetary union and it failed at its first real hurdle.
Everyone now knows who really has their back in the EU..and its themselves.
How far do you want to take your denial?

 

[Job]

Are you really that much of a fuckwit? This is not flu, no data for a years worth of infection, no vaccine. It is a NEW completely unknown virus. When someone and I mean someone in your family circle suffers you will change your tune. Flu is seasonal, this is going to be the same, if we don't build immunity or a vaccine expect more of the same.

I'm talking about the social distancing not the deadliness of the disease, how did you even turn that one around?

 

[Deebs]

I'm talking about the social distancing not the deadliness of the disease, how did you even turn that one around?

It is quite difficult with you as you spout random shit and hardly ever quote when making posts or name sources. Still my post applies.

 

[Bodhi]

Also, I don't know why you keep saying 4 months, the first death in the UK was a little over 3 weeks ago and the first case on UK soil wasn't confirmed until the last day of January.

I had it in late December.

 

[Job]

Fauci says that lifting lockdowns is 'a matter of weeks' and depends on the availability of 15-minute coronavirus testing

 

[Moriath]

Fauci says that lifting lockdowns is 'a matter of weeks' and depends on the availability of 15-minute coronavirus testing

Completely different to what the chick said in the briefing today. That 3 week review was still in place. So we have this at least 2 more weeks. But she said that we probably only getting to the peak then and it would be longer.

 

[Ormorof]

I had it in late December.

Confirmed? Or gut feeling to try and prove someone wrong on the internet?

 

[caLLous]

I had it in late December.

You *think* you had it in late December and you could well be right but as they're only testing those with symptoms, 108,215 of the 127,737 people who have been tested so far thought they had it and were wrong.

Confirmed? Or gut feeling to try and prove someone wrong on the internet?

I fear it may be the latter as there isn't an antibody test out there yet. They're coming though so do let us know @Bodhi (seriously).

 

[Job]

As soon as we get a week of falling deaths, they'll relax it a bit.

 

[Scouse]

3 months. Minimum.

 

[Ormorof]

As soon as we get a week of falling deaths, they'll relax it a bit.

In Italy they had a few days of falling numbers now its rising again, but at least in Lombardy region the daily death toll is decreasing

 

[Job]

We cant do 3 months at this level.

The cure would kill the patient.

 

[Ormorof]

Been home with family for 2 weeks so far, working in software being remote isn't too challenging, wife's work is totally shut though and if they can't reopen in a month or so they probably wont reopen at all

Finnish study suggested peek in Finland will be in about 8 weeks, with some form of virus still needing to be dealt with until end of June, then it might drop

 

[Scouse]

We cant do 3 months at this level.

The cure would kill the patient.

We can unless arseholes kick off. At which point much larger amounts of people will die.

And minimum. Maybe 6+.

 

[caLLous]

They start off with just a couple of weeks to get the populous conditioned, then it'll be another couple of weeks (it's already been put back to April 15th in France). They'll just keep putting it back and back until they're sure that the measures can be relaxed. From then it will be a very careful and gradual relaxation of restrictions back to "normal" and even then they'll keep on about regular hand-washing and maintaining some sort of social distancing.

 

[Scouse]

gradual relaxation of restrictions back to "normal".

Never seen a government voluntarily give back *all* it's "emergency" powers

 

[DaGaffer]

Definitely a change in vibe here with the lockdown; the streets are genuinely deserted now, and traffic is at a trickle. I had to drive in to town to drop off supplies for my wife's parents this morning (my father-in-law has a lung disease so is high risk and they're "cocooning") and I was pulled over by the Gards twice. They were pleasant enough, but they're making their presence felt.

I have to say though, much as it pains me to agree with @Job, I really don't think this is sustainable for months on end; any light at the end of the tunnel will be seized upon; it doesn't really help when the median age for Covid deaths in Ireland is 79.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

They start off with just a couple of weeks to get the populous conditioned, then it'll be another couple of weeks (it's already been put back to April 15th in France). They'll just keep putting it back and back until they're sure that the measures can be relaxed. From then it will be a very careful and gradual relaxation of restrictions back to "normal" and even then they'll keep on about regular hand-washing and maintaining some sort of social distancing.

Ditto in Spain.
Already put back to 12th April, and no sign of things changing anytime soon. In fact they have clamped down even further this week. Receipts required if been shopping, only allowed to shop every 2 days, ID numbers being taken to check recorded journeys, no non essential workers whatsoever. My guess would be August/September before some sort of normality returns.
All of that said Andalucia is low on the numbers and Almeria is one of the safest areas in the country. I'd rather be here than the UK, at least here it has been taken seriously for a while now and they have been taking positive steps.

 

[Scouse]

I have to say though, much as it pains me to agree with @Job, I really don't think this is sustainable for months on end; any light at the end of the tunnel will be seized upon; it doesn't really help when the median age for Covid deaths in Ireland is 79.

Has to be.

If we value the not economically active so little then our society isn't one worth preserving.

 

[DaGaffer]

Has to be.

If we value the not economically active so little then our society isn't one worth preserving.

But we don't. Let's not pretend otherwise; especially in the UK. But that's not the hard maths anyway; even if the "economically inactive"* were valued, how many operations are not going to happen over the next few months because of Covid-19 which lead to worse life-expectancy anyway? I guarantee people have stopped going to the doctor for minor ailments (including old people) that will turn out to be major for increasing numbers. I'm sure there are actuaries doing that kind of calculus right now, because you bet that even if we don't want to think about it, the insurance industry is.

(* I'm not sure I'd regard pensioners as "economically inactive" anyway; there are a surprising number of pensioners with more than a few quid to spend; this lot may be the last generation where that's the case).

 

[Scouse]

But we don't. Let's not pretend otherwise; especially in the UK.

Then we deserve what we get tbh.

I get where you're coming from, but frankly - if we don't value human life from cradle-to-grave then the sooner the end comes for human society the better.

Even if you disagree with that sentiment - it doesn't just kill old people. If people can't man the fuck up and suck not going outside for a few months to ensure people don't die then that's kind of pathetic.

Interestingly, talking to japanese colleagues - until now it's really been a problem for them. Again, our inability to stay inside to put the good of others first over our own selfish wants is yet another western cultural problem. (I think they'll have to make it official soon though - hygene fatigue is setting in).

 

[Job]

We're at peanuts on a plane level atm.

How long before the cry is that people are dying from curable cancers and alone in their beds from other curable diseases, mental health freefall...domestic abuse, suicide, bankruptcy...life savings decimated, loved ones being buried alone.
The entire airline industry having to be bailed out...the trains renationalised.
Seeing as they are predicting the exact same level of deaths as the flu, what if that becomes the next bogeyman.
Antibiotics are failing, another wave of hysteria over passing bacterial diseases.
Safe to say all those screens going up for shop staff are now there for good.