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[Raven]

One of the local docs have received a load of vaccines that they hadn't been told to expect so are having to contact people by phone to arrange an appointment.

Which sounds right off the bat to be a scam, it actually isn't, they have put it all over their facebook account. But this sort of amateur shit isn't going to fill people with confidence, especially the elderly that don't use facebook.

 

[Gwadien]

One of the local docs have received a load of vaccines that they hadn't been told to expect so are having to contact people by phone to arrange an appointment.

Which sounds right off the bat to be a scam, it actually isn't, they have put it all over their facebook account. But this sort of amateur shit isn't going to fill people with confidence, especially the elderly that don't use facebook.

Oh that's nothing.

In Leicester we have 3 hospitals, 1 hospital received the vaccinations for all 3 hospitals but wasn't told this.

They ended up vaccinating -everyone- who worked in the hospital because they feared the wastage, not thinking to ask the other hospitals if they're OK.

 

[Scouse]

Oh that's nothing.

In Leicester we have 3 hospitals, 1 hospital received the vaccinations for all 3 hospitals but wasn't told this.

They ended up vaccinating -everyone- who worked in the hospital because they feared the wastage, not thinking to ask the other hospitals if they're OK.

That'll count in the figures as "vaccinated" not "vaccinated the wrong people".

 

[Ormorof]

Finnish gov was expecting EU nations to be all rational and brotherly love about getting and distribution of vaccines but have learned that everyone is grabbing as much for themselves as possible, at this rate they wont finish vaccine rollout in capital region within 4 years let alone the summer . This means prioritization is tight, even 75 year old mother in law is in group 10/11, with 11 being basically anyone under 75 who have no health issues.

Bit of a cock up tbh

 

[DaGaffer]

Finnish gov was expecting EU nations to be all rational and brotherly love about getting and distribution of vaccines but have learned that everyone is grabbing as much for themselves as possible, at this rate they wont finish vaccine rollout in capital region within 4 years let alone the summer . This means prioritization is tight, even 75 year old mother in law is in group 10/11, with 11 being basically anyone under 75 who have no health issues.

Bit of a cock up tbh

The whole EU procurement thing has been shit from top to bottom as far as I can see. It seems like the EU may have ordered a lot of vaccines, but we're not being prioritised for distribution globally at all (which who knows? May be deliberate by pharma companies who don't like the EU wielding its collective bargaining muscle on the price perhaps?) Also the AstraZeneca one getting approved last hurts distribution badly as its the easiest to manage.

The two big advantages Ireland has, being a island and having a small population; have been rendered moot by the pitiful trickle of vaccines we're getting. If we'd gone it alone we'd have been halfway done by now.

 

[Moriath]

The whole EU procurement thing has been shit from top to bottom as far as I can see. It seems like the EU may have ordered a lot of vaccines, but we're not being prioritised for distribution globally at all (which who knows? May be deliberate by pharma companies who don't like the EU wielding its collective bargaining muscle on the price perhaps?) Also the AstraZeneca one getting approved last hurts distribution badly as its the easiest to manage.

The two big advantages Ireland has, being a island and having a small population; have been rendered moot by the pitiful trickle of vaccines we're getting. If we'd gone it alone we'd have been halfway done by now.

Oo something the uk seems to be doing pretty well at. And th EU not so good.

 

[Tay]

Well, that certainly paints a picture.

Word timing issues - half of her colleagues volunteered for vaccine duty on one of her days off which she was a bit pissed about but one of them just tested positive so rather relieved now.

But jokes aside, its pretty fucking horrendus out there. They had 4 x 40 foot specialist chillers (converted containers I guess) to be used as an impromptu morgue last year but weren't ever used, 6 weeks into this wave and they are in use

 

[Aoami]

COVID-19: Partygoers claimed they had not heard of the pandemic - as police reveal breaches over the weekend

Police have branded some of the rule breaches "selfish" and "irresponsible" while the UK is in lockdown.

news.sky.com

Thinking about the look on the Policemans face as he's told these nobs "have not heard of the pandemic" is cracking me up

 

[Tay]

Oo something the uk seems to be doing pretty well at. And th EU not so good.

When push comes to shove, orderly queues often go out of the window. Withholding vaccinations simply to do a show of unity is plain mental and unsurprisingly some nations binned that idea fast.

Funny how the govt was attacked last year for not jumping on board the EU vaccine orders, now those critics have found other shit to whine about.

 

[Moriath]

When push comes to shove, orderly queues often go out of the window. Withholding vaccinations simply to do a show of unity is plain mental and unsurprisingly some nations binned that idea fast.

Funny how the govt was attacked last year for not jumping on board the EU vaccine orders, now those critics have found other shit to whine about.

British have always been good at queueing heh

 

[Tay]

COVID-19: Partygoers claimed they had not heard of the pandemic - as police reveal breaches over the weekend

Police have branded some of the rule breaches "selfish" and "irresponsible" while the UK is in lockdown.

news.sky.com

Thinking about the look on the Policemans face as he's told these nobs "have not heard of the pandemic" is cracking me up

Unfortunately every time I hear the phrase but 90% (And I'd love to know where those figures come from) are adhering to the lock down rules one of these pops up and you think the gene pool really has reached the point of no return. Given that there is 10% that maybe all those feckers are making up for the other 90%

Like the really deaths due to Covid I guess we'll never know.

 

[Tay]

British have always been good at queueing heh

Not something I'd like to go down in history for "British - Was great at queuing". sigh..

 

[Bodhi]

Unfortunately every time I hear the phrase but 90% (And I'd love to know where those figures come from) are adhering to the lock down rules one of these pops up and you think the gene pool really has reached the point of no return. Given that there is 10% that maybe all those feckers are making up for the other 90%

Like the really deaths due to Covid I guess we'll never know.

The 90% figure came from SAGE, via the BMJ.

Pandemic fatigue? How adherence to covid-19 regulations has been misrepresented and why it matters

Non-adherence is a matter of practicality, not psychology As England and Scotland start another period of lockdown, we all must come to terms with following stricter restrictions, most likely for a relatively long period of time. The notion of behavioural fatigue associated with adherence to...

www.bmj.com

 

[Tay]

One of the local docs have received a load of vaccines that they hadn't been told to expect so are having to contact people by phone to arrange an appointment.

Which sounds right off the bat to be a scam, it actually isn't, they have put it all over their facebook account. But this sort of amateur shit isn't going to fill people with confidence, especially the elderly that don't use facebook.

A few of my wifes colleagues are running some of the vaccination places and quite a few have to be destroyed because they have been brought up to temp for them to be administered and people have not been turning up for them.

Just one more soul destroying thing about being in the NHS I guess

 

[Bodhi]

Vaccine supplies to run out by weekend. The Pfizer chiefs predict a riot.

 

[Tay]

The 90% figure came from SAGE, via the BMJ.

Pandemic fatigue? How adherence to covid-19 regulations has been misrepresented and why it matters

Non-adherence is a matter of practicality, not psychology As England and Scotland start another period of lockdown, we all must come to terms with following stricter restrictions, most likely for a relatively long period of time. The notion of behavioural fatigue associated with adherence to...

www.bmj.com

Its an estimate but that looks shit on official docs. There is simply no way to arrive at that figure without guessing.

 

[Scouse]

This was a really interesting read - especially the compliance by income graphs / educational attainment etc.

 

[Bodhi]

This was a really interesting read - especially the compliance by income graphs / educational attainment etc.

Backs up my point about lockdown as well, it's just middle class people hiding in their living rooms whilst the working classes keep the lights on and bring them things, all whilst the elites carry on as they did before. From a socioeconomic perspective it's been a complete and utter disaster, widening inequalities all over the show. Still, looks as if the 90% figure was possibly a bit low, so we should probably be congratulating everyone on doing a good job in shit circumstances, rather than focusing on one group who decided to have a party. In fact we look positively obedient compared to the Italians and Poles (started opening up restaurants no matter what the Government says), or even the Swiss (they're having a vote on it, which is about as rowdy as the Swiss get).

Worth bearing in mind when commenting on how busy everything is during lockdown - this country needs a vast support network of people just to keep turning over and bring us tat from the internet. A lot have been going out and working every day all throughout this, and if we're going to take away their ability to go for a pint on the way home, let's not replace it with some sneering about why they're out and about.

As an aside, my nomination for unsung heroes of COVID? Supermarket workers. They've been at the front line dealing with people day in day out since March, selling us ingredients for sourdough, marshalling us into the stores, breaking up fights over the last 9 pack of Cushelle - generally keeping the country going. Chapeau.

 

[Tay]

Backs up my point about lockdown as well, it's just middle class people hiding in their living rooms whilst the working classes keep the lights on and bring them things, all whilst the elites carry on as they did before. From a socioeconomic perspective it's been a complete and utter disaster, widening inequalities all over the show. Still, looks as if the 90% figure was possibly a bit low, so we should probably be congratulating everyone on doing a good job in shit circumstances, rather than focusing on one group who decided to have a party. In fact we look positively obedient compared to the Italians and Poles (started opening up restaurants no matter what the Government says), or even the Swiss (they're having a vote on it, which is about as rowdy as the Swiss get).

Worth bearing in mind when commenting on how busy everything is during lockdown - this country needs a vast support network of people just to keep turning over and bring us tat from the internet. A lot have been going out and working every day all throughout this, and if we're going to take away their ability to go for a pint on the way home, let's not replace it with some sneering about why they're out and about.

As an aside, my nomination for unsung heroes of COVID? Supermarket workers. They've been at the front line dealing with people day in day out since March, selling us ingredients for sourdough, marshalling us into the stores, breaking up fights over the last 9 pack of Cushelle - generally keeping the country going. Chapeau.

Shame its not representative of the UK population, but at least it was a reasonable sample size.

 

[Scouse]

Shame its not representative of the UK population, but at least it was a reasonable sample size.

What, in your expert opinion, is a representive sample of the UK population?

 

[Raven]

What, in your expert opinion, is a representive sample of the UK population?

@Job.

Sadly.

 

[Tay]

What, in your expert opinion, is a representive sample of the UK population?

I'm not an expert and never claimed to be, but the words I quoted were theirs, not mine.

 

[Bodhi]

View: https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1351255308048470016?s=19

 

[Moriath]

View: https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1351259754497245185

 

[Gwadien]

I saw Who were stressing the need to give vaccines to poorer countries yesterday.

I support this. However I do question the approach of giving it to vulnerable people first in third world countries.

It's pretty brutal. For sure, but if you have a country where healthy people are dying en mass due to poor health services, helping out the vulnerable and elderly whilst letting the healthy die seems a bit dodgy for that country for the long term IMHO.

It should be done on a country by country basis based on their health care.

 

[Scouse]

I saw Who were stressing the need to give vaccines to poorer countries yesterday.

I support this.

I support this too. It's about time our heroes weighed in on Covid.

 

[Gwadien]

I support this too. It's about time our heroes weighed in on Covid.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRq1Ksh-32g

 

[DaGaffer]

I saw Who were stressing the need to give vaccines to poorer countries yesterday.

I support this. However I do question the approach of giving it to vulnerable people first in third world countries.

It's pretty brutal. For sure, but if you have a country where healthy people are dying en mass due to poor health services, helping out the vulnerable and elderly whilst letting the healthy die seems a bit dodgy for that country for the long term IMHO.

It should be done on a country by country basis based on their health care.

If you read the BMI doc that Bodhi linked, you could make make a similar argument in developed countries. Other than front line workers, it would probably make more sense to vaccinate poorer working people who have the highest propensity to infect others, rather than simply working backwards through the age groups. How that would play politically is of course a whole other problem.

 

[Scouse]

If you read the BMI doc that Bodhi linked, you could make make a similar argument in developed countries. Other than front line workers, it would probably make more sense to vaccinate poorer working people who have the highest propensity to infect others, rather than simply working backwards through the age groups. How that would play politically is of course a whole other problem.

If you read the doc I linked - it's richer people and the young who aren't complying (poor working class folk are obeying the messaging more than better-educated people).

We can't really advocate for the vaccination of who's spreading it - we need to vaccinate where we're going to protect the most vulnerable. Pretty much if you're under 60 you're probably OK if you get it (long covid aside). So we should stop deaths.

Which is kinda the plan.

 

[Gwadien]

If you read the BMI doc that Bodhi linked, you could make make a similar argument in developed countries. Other than front line workers, it would probably make more sense to vaccinate poorer working people who have the highest propensity to infect others, rather than simply working backwards through the age groups. How that would play politically is of course a whole other problem.

I suppose it'd be alright if the vaccine worked instantly; I don't see my Grandma's carehome opening up normally for visitors for a loooong time (until *everyone* is vaccinated), which begs the question; what's the point getting the residents vaccinated when they'll only ever been in contact with vaccinated staff until their families are vaccinated, but then you have the place that old people love the most; hospitals.