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[Talivar]

The scientists wasnt updating the public today, they was auditioning for the role of villian in the next episode of the Covid play. This week Boris will audition for the role of the hero as he makes us aware he is being forced to make these changes by those sneaky scientist villian thingymebobbies!

 

[caLLous]

no. I think not having to answer questions and just presenting the truth as they see it was a good thing .. questions muddy the water. In this case.

Questions to this government muddy the water, questions to scientists can provide clarity and reassurance. The only reason to not allow questions is if the politicians don't think they'll like the answers that the scientists might give.

 

[Gwadien]

Just think what the polls are saying;

Whenever a member of the cabinet says something it always gets poor reviews, but the two profs seem to be much more popular, so make them the new face of Covid, rather than Boris.

The problem is that Boris used the same tactics that were used for Brexit, bold and noble Boris is going to lead us on a gallant charge against Covid, we're going to ignore the critics and full steam ahead!

It's the battle of Lockdown vs The Economy.

I still find it funny we have the least serious characters of Boris and Trump in the most serious of times.

 

[Yoni]

The scientists should be able to answer questions. - not being able to do so just makes them appear to be the voice box of the government. I also saw that they both spent Sunday in No10 going through the figures - oO - The figures here are produced at 11 am and briefed at 2pm ( Tues & Thurs)

Finally whilst watching the news yesterday morning Shapps was being asked more about Boris’ trip to Italy and where Bozza would be at the time of the briefing rather thanon more relevant topics

 

[Scouse]

The scientists should be able to answer questions. - not being able to do so just makes them appear to be the voice box of the government. I also saw that they both spent Sunday in No10 going through the figures - oO - The figures here are produced at 11 am and briefed at 2pm ( Tues & Thurs)

Yep. They've been punted out their on their own simply to lend a vaneer of authority to the government message.

Questions should have been allowed.

Finally whilst watching the news yesterday morning Shapps was being asked more about Boris’ trip to Italy and where Bozza would be at the time of the briefing rather thanon more relevant topics

After the Cummings debacle - if the PM is doing similar things that's totally relevant.

 

[Marc]

Lets be honest, Boris is just winging it and has no clue what to do for the best. He isn't helped by that pair of doom mongers, whos "estimate" of 50k cases a day has already been debunked, much like that other twat, Fergusons prophecy of 500k deaths.

 

[Moriath]

Yep. They've been punted out their on their own simply to lend a vaneer of authority to the government message.

Questions should have been allowed.


After the Cummings debacle - if the PM is doing similar things that's totally relevant.

From what i saw a guy at the airport miss took a past prime minister for the current one and it was tony blair that had been in italy. They had just said the uk prime minister not specifically boris. I dont think he was any where near italy

 

[Scouse]

He isn't helped by that pair of doom mongers, whos "estimate" of 50k cases a day has already been debunked, much like that other twat, Fergusons prophecy of 500k deaths.

That's a realistic estimate based on if we do nothing.

Who's debunked that?

 

[caLLous]

 

[Scouse]

That's a realistic estimate based on if we do nothing.

Who's debunked that?

I didn't think asking a question about who's debunked a thing - considering @Marc stated that "it's been debunked" - was face-palmable @Bodhi.

But you live and learn, I guess.

 

[Yoni]

I think that the scientists were trying to give the facts so that UK citizens to behave in a responsible way... As for Bozzas response to the UK being freedom loving - this was a really really awful response - Germans and Itallians are enjoying many more freedoms than UK citizens enjoy today. Currently I do not see the UK as having freedom at the moment it is like a mass hokeycokey with the UK government giving the instructions.

UK citizens can also help themselves by being more responsible also - not going out with many mates to the pub, ensuring as individuals that you are keeping distance, where masks as requested - they may not prevent 100% of droplets but when wearing one I noticed that there was less touching of my face and then areas of the train so also preventative. When I turn on the TV and seeing people whining about not being able to see old at risk relatives in old age people in homes etc I get frustrated... why cant individuals understand that this is about keeping older people safe and as a younger more healthy individual you should just understand and move on. There are a large number of you really trying to do their best but obviously there are groups from all over who are not....

 

[Moriath]

I didn't think asking a question about who's debunked a thing - considering @Marc stated that "it's been debunked" - was face-palmable @Bodhi.

But you live and learn, I guess.

Was t debunked. When they presented it they said it wasnt a prediction. It was just one possible scenario if cases doubled every 7 days so i dont see what there was to debunk

 

[Moriath]

I think that the scientists were trying to give the facts so that UK citizens to behave in a responsible way... As for Bozzas response to the UK being freedom loving - this was a really really awful response - Germans and Itallians are enjoying many more freedoms than UK citizens enjoy today. Currently I do not see the UK as having freedom at the moment it is like a mass hokeycokey with the UK government giving the instructions.

UK citizens can also help themselves by being more responsible also - not going out with many mates to the pub, ensuring as individuals that you are keeping distance, where masks as requested - they may not prevent 100% of droplets but when wearing one I noticed that there was less touching of my face and then areas of the train so also preventative. When I turn on the TV and seeing people whining about not being able to see old at risk relatives in old age people in homes etc I get frustrated... why cant individuals understand that this is about keeping older people safe and as a younger more healthy individual you should just understand and move on. There are a large number of you really trying to do their best but obviously there are groups from all over who are not....

I think the most sensible thing i seen about the difference between sweden and uk is that the population in sweden continued to act responsibly. Not having huge raves and all. Which some of the uk population have been fighting against doing. Not as much as the usa but its an under current.

do you see that @Yoni we dont see reports of rule breakers from sweden. Is it just not in the news Over here? Or are the citizens over there more cautious?

 

[Yoni]

I think that the younger generation is now not as careful which is evident as there is a small increase in cases.

In the papers today there is information that Stockholm will have some additional measures due to this trend - I think it will be alcohol related ie food with booze etc and a renewed ban on old peoples homes as this restroom was due to be lifted 1st Oct.

The scientists here are very concerned with traditional winter illnesses plus CV19 this year so they will do what is necessary to counter this.

 

[Moriath]

I think that the younger generation is now not as careful which is evident as there is a small increase in cases.

In the papers today there is information that Stockholm will have some additional measures due to this trend - I think it will be alcohol related ie food with booze etc and a renewed ban on old peoples homes as this restroom was due to be lifted 1st Oct.

The scientists here are very concerned with traditional winter illnesses plus CV19 this year so they will do what is necessary to counter this.

But compare your 19-29 year olds to the uk ones.

 

[Yoni]

There have not been the reports of raves - however I do not believe youngsters in Sweden have all stopped interacting hence the increase.

I do think that a strict lockdown there is the potential to need to let go and this was seen in other European countries who also had a strict lockdown. The issue from here appears to be that it isn’t just with the youngsters in the UK but also with the middle aged too ...

 

[Moriath]

There have not been the reports of raves - however I do not believe youngsters in Sweden have all stopped interacting hence the increase.

I do think that a strict lockdown there is the potential to need to let go and this was seen in other European countries who also had a strict lockdown. The issue from here appears to be that it isn’t just with the youngsters in the UK but also with the middle aged too ...

Yes its becoming more wide spread here. Its just shows how different populations take their social responsibilities. Here it was ok while it was novel. But now ppl are a bit bored and dont want to do it any more. Until this rule of 6 my bros family were virtually back to pre lockdown socialisation. Watching the ppl cheering on their kids on saturday morning football they all gather together. I know its outside but still more than 6 together.

you can argue that some of the leads shown by those in power havent helped. But i think there is a selfish pre disposition to many in the uk population. Hedonistic or just dont give a fuck who knows. But the uk population as a whole need to pull their trousers up and get on with helping everyone.

 

[Yoni]

The government also need to stop the flimflam also - it is clear that the UK populous can not deal with the U-turns

 

[Job]

The in pub rules are pretty bizarre, having to put a mask on to go the toilet or when you enter and leave.

Regardless, they have to do something..deaths are creeping back up and thats the single most important stat, its only 1% of daily fatilities, but none of those deaths are likely to exponentially increase anytime soon.

Still just putting off the inevitable, the Swedish outcome is the absolute proof of that.

Just passing 2 trillion debt to our kids.

 

[Job]

Id say this would be the same in the UK.

Majority of Americans will wait to get Covid vaccine, poll shows

Six in 10 respondents in a new Axios/Ipsos poll said they would not take a vaccine as soon as it is available

www.theguardian.com

 

[Yoni]

Did you not read the point where I stated in Stockholm there will be new measures.

Sweden HAVE changed due to CV19 but the changes have not been so extreme so sustainable but even here the younger generation is fed up with their restrictions.

 

[Moriath]

The government also need to stop the flimflam also - it is clear that the UK populous can not deal with the U-turns

I agree. Also i think all this questioning is unhelpful. Most of the questions from the public are trying to find loop holes or means not to do what they are being asked to do.
what if i hop on one leg and sing a sea shanty can i do that with 10 ppl.
rather than seeing it from how can i keep myself away from people and catching this to enable everyone to be better.

these type of questions are facilitated by local tv and radio who do loads of what if’s after each rule change.

 

[Moriath]

The in pub rules are pretty bizarre, having to put a mask on to go the toilet or when you enter and leave.

Regardless, they have to do something..deaths are creeping back up and thats the single most important stat, its only 1% of daily fatilities, but none of those deaths are likely to exponentially increase anytime soon.

Still just putting off the inevitable, the Swedish outcome is the absolute proof of that.

Just passing 2 trillion debt to our kids.

Why is it bizarre to put a mask on when going to areas where people not of your social bubble are likely to be near you? for example at the toilets or at the door ways in a pub.

 

[Job]

Coronavirus vaccine won't bring about 'fairytale' ending to pandemic, expert warns

As the coronavirus pandemic continues to rage around the world, a lot of hope is being placed in finding an effective and safe vaccine against Covid-19. That might be a mistake, one expert says.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Moriath]

Coronavirus vaccine won't bring about 'fairytale' ending to pandemic, expert warns

As the coronavirus pandemic continues to rage around the world, a lot of hope is being placed in finding an effective and safe vaccine against Covid-19. That might be a mistake, one expert says.

www.cnbc.com

Of course. Thats not news.

 

[Job]

Mentioned this before, but amplification cycles during the testing can inducate the viral load.

We use simple yes/no tests and many people may be insignificantly infected and non contagious.

Anyway its deaths that matter and they are going up...if you believe they actually died of the virus, I guess as long as they are sticking to whatever criteria they use, you have to have faith in the stats.

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[dysfunction]

Mentioned this before, but amplification cycles during the testing can inducate the viral load.

We use simple yes/no tests and many people may be insignificantly infected and non contagious.

Anyway its deaths that matter and they are going up...if you believe they actually died of the virus, I guess as long as they are sticking to whatever criteria they use, you have to have faith in the stats.

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Why are you posting stuff from a month ago??

 

[Scouse]

Six ways to get through the next six months

Announcement of tighter coronavirus restrictions in England and Scotland leaves millions bracing for a difficult winter

www.theguardian.com

Point 2 making shutting the pubs at 10pm pointless.

(Which it is anyway - we probably should be in hard lockdown now (I understand that's what the scientists wanted - a 'circuit breaker' short sharp lockdown (probably why no questions were allowed))).

 

[Raven]

Yeah, I can't see that anything at all has changed...so pubs shut an hour or so earlier, big deal.

That won't stop people from ignoring the rules. In fact, the yewts will just go on to house parties etc at closing anyway.

I can't speak for all pubs but our local has had strict rules on mingling table to table and table service only since it re-opened.

 

[Raven]

Coronavirus: Whitty and Vallance faced 'herd immunity' backlash, emails show

Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance were alarmed by questions over the controversial concept, emails show.

www.bbc.co.uk