Politics Coronavirus

[Gwadien]

Its a bullshit statement just like I overheard a mum at the school the other day saying just you wait all these people wearing masks will be really sick when winter comes as they will be holding l the nasty germs inside their mask

I hope you gave a visible facepalm

 

[dysfunction]

I hope you gave a visible facepalm

I did but it was glossed over just like @Job does when real evidence is given for an argument

But the worse thing is they were indoctrinating their child with this nonsense

 

[Gwadien]

@Job do you wear a mask at all times whilst on a job?

 

[Job]

It depends how long Im in and wether there are vulnerable people in the house or if Im just going in and straight up to the bathroom and theyre in the front room.

No one ..I mean no one asks me to wear one and no one wears one themselves.

I can easily social distance and I dont stand chatting , plus its a good excuse to stop the hoverer's, mainly old men who just have to lean over watching your every move and constantly asking daft questions.

Social distancing is far..far better than a mask.

 

[Gwadien]

It depends how long Im in and wether there are vulnerable people in the house or if Im just going in and straight up to the bathroom and theyre in the front room.

No one ..I mean no one asks me to wear one and no one wears one themselves.

I can easily social distance and I dont stand chatting , plus its a good excuse to stop the hoverer's, mainly old men who just have to lean over watching your every move and constantly asking daft questions.

Social distancing is far..far better than a mask.

But you are aware the reason why you wear a mask inside is so that you don't contaminate people's houses rather than person to person infection?

 

[Job]

Considering this

Its a bullshit statement just like I overheard a mum at the school the other day saying just you wait all these people wearing masks will be really sick when winter comes as they will be holding l the nasty germs inside their mask

Considering that was the very argument made by experts against masks as we transitioned over to wearing them.
Its hardly idiotic to repeat that and Im sure this subject will come up again in the flu season, which is going to be fucking hilarious when they start reporting flu deaths for clickbait and sneezing will be socially unacceptable, I completely guarantee there will be no sneezing or coughing signs up before Christmas.

 

[Gwadien]

Considering this

Considering that was the very argument made by experts against masks as we transitioned over to wearing them.
Its hardly idiotic to repeat that and Im sure this subject will come up again in the flu season, which is going to be fucking hilarious when they start reporting flu deaths for clickbait and sneezing will be socially unacceptable, I completely guarantee there will be no sneezing or coughing signs up before Christmas.

Yes, the experts said that the masks will hold the nasty gems inside them.

Yes.

That's entirely the point.

 

[Job]

But you are aware the reason why you wear a mask inside is so that you don't contaminate people's houses rather than person to person infection?

Its impossible not to short of a hazmat suit, you just have to accept that in life...
The covid death rate is miniscule in healthy people...if youre not take some precautions.

At my age its very unlikely I would be asymptomatic, if I get them I'll stay at home and take my chance with the odds.

 

[Gwadien]

Its impossible not to short of a hazmat suit, you just have to accept that in life...
The covid death rate is miniscule in healthy people...if youre not take some precautions.

At my age its very unlikely I would be asymptomatic, if I get them I'll stay at home and take my chance with the odds.

If you wear a mask, you don't touch your face and you wash your hands your chances of infecting surfaces is minimal.

Why is this so hard to understand?

And I don't know the actual time for Covid, but with most viruses you can be infectious whilst still not having symptoms, that's why you should always behave like you have covid and you are minimising the chances of spreading it.

I just think it's a common courtesy to be quite honest, and if you don't do it you're pretty selfish.

 

[caLLous]

Its impossible not to short of a hazmat suit, you just have to accept that in life...
The covid death rate is miniscule in healthy people...if youre not take some precautions.

At my age its very unlikely I would be asymptomatic, if I get them I'll stay at home and take my chance with the odds.

You reduce the risk by wearing a mask. You should do it without a second thought when going into a stranger's house in the line of work.

 

[Gwadien]

This is like explaining to a child why they should wash their hands after going to the toilet and them trying to explain why you shouldn't.

The funny thing is that he still blames Muslims.

 

[Job]

Well you can try condescending remarks to belittle the argument.
But yes thats exactly what they said at the.time, the virus collects in the mask and you end up breathing it back in.

All the mask asvice for the flu and covid relies on constant handwashing, a mask increases hand contamination because peeple constantly touch them and rarely take them off correctly.

The who advice was based on real world scenarios, now theyve decided to isolate the mask from its downsides.

 

[caLLous]

So you have the virus, then it "collects in the mask", then you breathe it back in, then... you... catch... the virus?

 

[Job]

You reduce the risk by wearing a mask. You should do it without a second thought when going into a stranger's house in the line of work.

It isnt that simple.
Iys all about risk and likely ways ti transmit the virus.
If I wear a mask and have covud it will build up in the mask, if I touch the mask as you do every fucking 10 seconds like everyone else and then transmit the virus to things other people touch...door handle, etc, then thats worse than breathing in the room maskless.
We are talking about what people do...not the unlikely and protracted procedures you would like them to follow.
Thats why we used to say dont wear them .
You cant isolate any one part of viral transmission block and use it its individual effect as some golden rule.
And they dont...as in pubs.
My issue is people pull on a mask..fail to follow every single other measure and think they can start lecturing or that somehow theyre doing their bit.

 

[caLLous]

My issue is people pull on a mask..fail to follow every single other measure and think they can start lecturing or that somehow theyre doing their bit.

And everybody else's issue is wankers like you who use the above as a universal excuse to not have to wear a mask.

 

[Scouse]

breathing in the room maskless.

It's not about breathing you fucking idiot.

It's about talking. Sneezing and coughing, yes, but talking means you lob droplets out of your mouth into the air in front of you.

Masks stop that and make up for the fact that people don't fastidiously social distance.


As for your point about touching your mask every ten seconds? Don't. It's fucking easy not to. And after you do - wash your hands.

It's not rocket science. It's just whiny plebs don't like to have to think about their previously unconscious actions.

 

[Yoni]

So shall we take bets on when your new countrywide lock down begins? :/

 

[caLLous]

Some of the scientific advisers are proposing 2 weeks in October.

Second national lockdown proposed by UK scientific advisers

Government’s advisory bodies look at restrictions to coincide with October school half-term

Leading scientists advising the UK government have proposed a two-week national lockdown in October to try to tackle the rising number of coronavirus cases.

The move highlights how Boris Johnson might come under increasing pressure to introduce a second national lockdown, even though he has said he is strongly against such a measure.

Experts on the government’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) and the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (Spi-m) have suggested a national lockdown that could coincide with the October school half-term.

The government is keen to avoid the reclosure of schools, having shut them during the national lockdown in March and only fully reopening them this autumn.

That helps to explain why the government’s scientific advisers have looked at how a two-week national lockdown might coincide with the October half- term as part of efforts to bring Covid-19 under control.

“As schools will be closed for one week at half-term, adding an extra week to that will have limited impact on education,” said one scientist who is a member of Sage, confirming the body had considered the case for a national lockdown in October.

Another scientist who is a member of Spi-m said the body had also looked at a national lockdown that could take place next month.

The number of positive Covid-19 cases is doubling every seven to eight days in England, according to statistical analysis released last Friday by Imperial College London and Ipsos Mori.

The analysis estimated the reproduction rate of the virus, or the R, the average number of new cases generated by an infected person, stood at 1.7, meaning the disease is spreading exponentially.

The scientist who sits on Sage said if the R number continued at the same level as currently, it would “break the NHS”, adding that the test-and-trace system was “creaking at the seams”.

On Wednesday, the prime minister told MPs that a second national lockdown would be “disastrous” for the economy.

“I don’t want a second national lockdown — I think it would be completely wrong for this country and we are going to do everything in our power to prevent it,” Mr Johnson said.

But much is likely to hinge on whether the government’s new “rule of six” rule — restricting social gatherings to six people — serves to halt the rise in Covid-19 infections.

“If it doesn’t work, a whole range of unpalatable options come into view,” said a government official.

The official added that at the top of the government there was “a very strong reluctance to go anywhere near another national lockdown”, but said: “There’s a difference between not wanting to go back to another lockdown and having to go back.”

A government spokesperson said: “The government is continuing to closely monitor infection levels and taking decisive action to protect people such as introducing local lockdowns and banning gatherings of groups larger than six.

“Scientific and medical professionals have provided advice throughout the pandemic.”

On Thursday, the north-east of England became the latest area of the UK to have a local lockdown imposed on it because of rising Covid-19 infections.

Matt Hancock, the health secretary, held talks last week with Sadiq Khan, London’s mayor, and local council leaders to discuss contingency plans for new restrictions in the capital, but such an outcome is not seen as “inevitable”, according to government insiders.

Meanwhile, Dido Harding, who heads the government's test-and-trace programme in England, said she “strongly refuted” suggestions that the scheme was failing.

Following widespread reports of people struggling to obtain tests, because of capacity limits at laboratories that process results, Baroness Harding defended herself against accusations that the government had failed to prepare for a predictable surge in demand when children returned to school.

She said lab capacity had doubled between the end of May and September and emphasised that this had been done in accordance with information supplied by Sage. “We built our testing capacity plans based on Sage modelling,” said Baroness Harding.

After Mr Hancock announced on Tuesday that for the time being certain groups would be prioritised for tests, Baroness Harding said hospital patients would have first call, followed by those in care homes, then NHS workers.

 

[dysfunction]

Considering this

Considering that was the very argument made by experts against masks as we transitioned over to wearing them.
Its hardly idiotic to repeat that and Im sure this subject will come up again in the flu season, which is going to be fucking hilarious when they start reporting flu deaths for clickbait and sneezing will be socially unacceptable, I completely guarantee there will be no sneezing or coughing signs up before Christmas.

You bin the mask if it's disposable or wash it after each use. So no it won't be making you sick as it will be clean when you put it on.

 

[Gwadien]

Some of the scientific advisers are proposing 2 weeks in October.

Second national lockdown proposed by UK scientific advisers

I don't understand how you can possibly plan these things ahead like this.

 

[dysfunction]

I don't understand how you can possibly plan these things ahead like this.

Well if the infection rate carries on rising at the current rate they can predict when it's a good time to step in to control the rise.

 

[Gwadien]

Well if the infection rate carries on rising at the current rate they can predict when it's a good time to step in to control the rise.

I think this time around they'll wait until the NHS start moaning because of capacity then introduce a lockdown a couple of months later.

 

[Scouse]

You bin the mask if it's disposable or wash it after each use. So no it won't be making you sick as it will be clean when you put it on.

A mask can't make an already sick person sick. If you're breathing coronavirus into your mask you're already sick.

What it stops happening is you coughing, spluttering and talking other people to their potential deaths.


Job is just a troll cunt.

 

[Scouse]

I don't understand how you can possibly plan these things ahead like this.

Why not?

Seems pretty straightforward. "R is 1.7. We need to get that down as cheaply as possible whilst trying to keep schools open. But we don't know how the "rule of 6" is working out".

"Why not plan for a two-week lockdown at half-term, see how rule of 6 works out - if it works, great, no lock down, if not, half-term makes economic sense. What do the modellers at SAGE say?"

"We say two weeks hard lockdown NOW would be the most effective and certain - but if we lockdown mid-october then we get XXX% reduction in cases over winter"

"OK, too expensive to lockdown now. Lets see what happens"...


... that's how that goes. Pretty simple planning conversation. Obviously, choices are made there - we're repeating the mistakes of the past, again. But hey ho.

 

[Wij]

Hmmm


View: https://twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1306890542966603776

 

[Job]

Well theyre going to partially lockdown Liverpool.

Lucky I dont live there, even though the fuckers down at postcode lottery HQ seem to think I do.

Sefton will be next though...we are surrounded.

 

[Job]

Hmmm


View: https://twitter.com/shahmiruk/status/1306890542966603776

At face value
thats not good at all.

 

[Gumbo]

2 week lockdown in October will be too late.

Expect a 'You must sleep in your own house' Rule in about a week with full closure of pubs and restaurants the week after.

have no idea why they're doing curfews. It's madness to think that the virus will only transmit after 10pm.

 

[Moriath]

So shall we take bets on when your new countrywide lock down begins? :/

As long as it is after sunday i dont care

 

[Moriath]

2 week lockdown in October will be too late.

Expect a 'You must sleep in your own house' Rule in about a week with full closure of pubs and restaurants the week after.

have no idea why they're doing curfews. It's madness to think that the virus will only transmit after 10pm.

More like there is less time to get wankered and therefore socialise more with less inhibitions.