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  • Sweden: 9,995,153.
  • Denmark: 5,748,769.
  • Finland: 5,474,083.
  • Norway: 5,258,317.
  • Iceland: 338,349.
  • Greenland: 55,860.
  • Faroe Islands: 49,864.
Scandi populations are a lot less. I dont understand ? Things dont scale 1:1 in complexity. Much denser population etc mean there a lot of variables other than just size. And some of the scandi countries are very rich compared to size of population.
What about Germany and France - their testing is better....
 

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You have more resources available in GB - Sweden just manage theirs better. Stop making excuses - all other countries have had to put in more effective testing - GB are really failing at this - it doesnt even look like any effort is being put in to it - it is just crap.

I can understand them being caught with thei pants down - many countries were - however most countries effected have clear messaging and are achieving better results.
You say you dont have as much money. However you have 10k per head more to spend on each and every person. Also your debt is only 35% compared to uk 85% so you have less debt to service. Also your people are spread in different ways.
its just not as simple as you are bigger. Its more complex and more is lost in administration at scale.

i said in the first place i agree ours isnt good enough. But i am trying to show you why your country is better.
 

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What about Germany and France - their testing is better....
Germany had a huge lab base to begin with. Uk has had to build ours throughout the last months. Germans are still ahead of us In capacity iirc. And german efficiency etc as a culture.


again yes we are crap but i think not as crap as the media plays it. The getting testsin inverness over brighton were abug in the system really more than a lack of anything. Not taking geographic location into account and just looking at the next earliest test.
 

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According to that we tested more than germany and france. 14 million uk 12 million germany

most of what the complaining is based on shite press reporting tbh. Picking on the anomalies and playing them as the standard.
 

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Pick a number out of a hat because everyone will ignore it anyway.
 

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You say you dont have as much money. However you have 10k per head more to spend on each and every person. Also your debt is only 35% compared to uk 85% so you have less debt to service. Also your people are spread in different ways.
its just not as simple as you are bigger. Its more complex and more is lost in administration at scale.

i said in the first place i agree ours isnt good enough. But i am trying to show you why your country is better.
I still do not understand why GB is not. Since the beginning it is clear that testing is important- other counties have managed to do this in a good way buy putting time and resources towards it - simply the UK should be testing everyone who arrives each day as per the Greek model (Greece are not a wealthy country but managed to test and accommodate all new aarovals up to mid July and now they insist on a clear result before you arrive). The UK send people home to isolate which they are not doing, the travel policy is not clear and is completely reactionary and in the mean time the government is spending all its time trying to get people back to work in the cities so that the sandwich shops survive whilst telling everyone to lose weight - I was very hands off In March and April as the country needed time to organise .... they have had time and GB is continuing to fail and really is looking like an outlier now - although thanks to the surge in South America they have dropped down the death charts a little :/
 

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According to that we tested more than germany and france. 14 million uk 12 million germany

most of what the complaining is based on shite press reporting tbh. Picking on the anomalies and playing them as the standard.
Sure but you need to travel quite some way and it is not effective.... ie the door to door service Embattle receives due to his risk status is given here to all.

Sweden (as every country) has its challenges -there maybe a smaller population but distribution issues are immense give the size and spread of its citizens.

It is time for the excuses to stop..
 

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It's because the UK government puts more energy into making it look like they're doing a good job - manipulating figures, sneakily adding past cases to the total via the tiniest small print, changing how they count cases in the run-up to the deadline for a target they were going to wildly miss counting conventionally, album cover images standing in front of the makeshift hospitals - than actually doing a good job. It's all spin and slogans (and bad PPE acquirement and failing to take any responsibility and handing contracts to mates of Cummings without putting them out to tender etc) and very little substance.
 

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Hancock's latest waffle


Last week we first reported that some people were being asked to travel hundreds of miles to get a coronavirus test in the UK.

Hancock tells BBC Breakfast that demand for tests is high and "about 25% of the people who come forward we estimate are not eligible for a test".

"We have seen this quite sharp rise in the last couple of weeks of people without symptoms who don't have a good reason coming forward to get a test," the health secretary says.

"If you don't have symptoms unless asked specifically to get a test, you're not eligible for a test."

There had been examples of "whole schools or parts of schools all being sent to get test", he says, adding that it is "not acceptable".

"I've even heard stories of people saying: 'I'm going on holiday next week therefore I'm going to get a test.'

"No - that is not what the testing system is there for. We've got to be firmer, I'm afraid, with the rules around eligibility for testing."



My wife has symptoms and had a test yesterday, awaiting results, she is up in bed feeling sorry for herself this morning (I slept in the spare room) but then she milks a weak cold so not unusual. I can't get a test unless hers comes back positive so we have to wait up to 48 hours to get her result, then if positive, I can then take a test and we can wait a further 48 hours, which will be over a weekend, so best part of a week on standby.

I have zero symptoms but either way I have had to inform my employer and have to stay away from the office just in case, I'm lucky that I can work from home and have a good employer but many aren't. What with money being made available for furlough schemes, mortgage holidays etc coming to an end, this could really go south over winter.

It also doesn't help that we are running out of testing capacity, because of various, avoidable mistakes and down right Tory corruption.

Part of me hopes I get it and get it over and done with, before second peak.
 

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This is the kind of lunacy that is circulating.

Just so everyone knows this ‘second lockdown’ in Leicester on Monday which is making BREAKING NEWS is just some made up bullshit to cover the fact that HILARY CLINTON IS IN COURT TODAY
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Sure but you need to travel quite some way and it is not effective.... ie the door to door service Embattle receives due to his risk status is given here to all.

Mine aren't down to my at risk status, it is due to the fact we were randomly selected by the ONS last year to take part in a lifestyle survey which we agreed to do at the time and did it again last month a year after the first.

When covid hit a joint ONS/Oxford study started and since we already did a ONS study we got invited to the covid one. It consists of having a test every week for 5 weeks then monthly which were now doing, they ask a series of short questions as well.

I know the ONS is hiring a considerable number of testers, my sister's group consisted of 60 people.
 

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They must have a whole department dedicated to coming up with excuses.

Even in PM questions instead of answering the question Boris just says things like "you should be supportive of our efforts....you hate the NHS etc..."
 

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They must have a whole department dedicated to coming up with excuses.

Even in PM questions instead of answering the question Boris just says things like "you should be supportive of our efforts....you hate the NHS etc..."

The Department of Dominic Cummings?
 

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Sure but you need to travel quite some way and it is not effective.... ie the door to door service Embattle receives due to his risk status is given here to all.

Sweden (as every country) has its challenges -there maybe a smaller population but distribution issues are immense give the size and spread of its citizens.

It is time for the excuses to stop..
Yes like i said there a glitch in their system. Sending people to inverness that has apparently been fixed. but i still think 75 miles is too far. But thats a maximum. I think if everyone is within 75 miles of a testing area its not to bad considering the remoteness of some places. My place to goto is 6 miles away. Which isnt too bad for rural cornwall.
 

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Hancock's latest waffle






My wife has symptoms and had a test yesterday, awaiting results, she is up in bed feeling sorry for herself this morning (I slept in the spare room) but then she milks a weak cold so not unusual. I can't get a test unless hers comes back positive so we have to wait up to 48 hours to get her result, then if positive, I can then take a test and we can wait a further 48 hours, which will be over a weekend, so best part of a week on standby.

I have zero symptoms but either way I have had to inform my employer and have to stay away from the office just in case, I'm lucky that I can work from home and have a good employer but many aren't. What with money being made available for furlough schemes, mortgage holidays etc coming to an end, this could really go south over winter.

It also doesn't help that we are running out of testing capacity, because of various, avoidable mistakes and down right Tory corruption.

Part of me hopes I get it and get it over and done with, before second peak.
Its not guaranteed that you cannot get it again if you have it once
 

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Yes like i said there a glitch in their system. Sending people to inverness that has apparently been fixed. but i still think 75 miles is too far. But thats a maximum. I think if everyone is within 75 miles of a testing area its not to bad considering the remoteness of some places. My place to goto is 6 miles away. Which isnt too bad for rural cornwall.
There are enough unemployed people now in the UK to have door to door delivery - or you can support the taxi businesses by paying them to do it - I understand you are protecting Great Britain but the excuses have to stop now the people need to see positive action.

@Embattle it is great that there is some kind of recruitment going on but it is really too slow...
 

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@Yoni actually I'm not convinced that it is a recruitment issue, to me it seems more like the scatter shot approach and lack of joined up thinking.
 

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As they are so invested in getting overseas travel working, for the life of me I do not understand why they did not go down the test and overnight strategy. For informtion re high streets - there have been a few specialist shops not survive in Stockholm but I have not noticed a decrease in coffee houses (we have espresso house and waynes here (there are a few starbucks)). What has happened that i think is awesome is that most coffee places are completely contact free now - you just order on your app and then pick up your cofffee in the right area - this is minimising the risk for employees and customers at the same time.

Sweden finally reached its testing goals this week however this is in the hands of the citizens here as you just have to book a test and you get a test here - I think the increase in demand is coming from the back to school colds as the number of infections of covid has not increased.
 

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Back along, they were boasting about the excess capacity of the testing system (mostly as a distraction away from the low actual testing numbers when they were still releasing the data), then last week they said they had to concentrate testing on hotspots, leading to some people with symptoms having to drive 100 miles to get a test. Now they're saying there aren't enough tests to go round and it's all because people are taking them unnecessarily. The capacity's either there or it's not.
 

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£100bn moonshot?

Why aren't we giving him as much shit as we're giving Trump? This is utterly delusional.

"Comfort letters" have gone out to businesses eh?

"Wait until you see our latest wheeze lads! Money incoming!!!!!!"
 

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£100bn moonshot?

Why aren't we giving him as much shit as we're giving Trump? This is utterly delusional.

"Comfort letters" have gone out to businesses eh?

"Wait until you see our latest wheeze lads! Money incoming!!!!!!"

Unless he thinks he can get instant testing results, what's the point? How does that prevent anything?

I can think of hundreds of practical things you could do with 100bn to pretty much create a perfect distanced environment.
 

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Unless he thinks he can get instant testing results, what's the point? How does that prevent anything?

I can think of hundreds of practical things you could do with 100bn to pretty much create a perfect distanced environment.
Thats exactly what he was saying if you watched it. The 20 min test result that shows you are not infectious. You can take it every day or before entering a stadium for example and it gives you a ‘passport’ to mix with those who also passed it.

if the reports are accurate it might exist. If it can be on that scale. Who knows. I doubt it and i think he was trying to sell anything that wont cancel xmas really. But the expert guys were saying this is a spring type of timescale for this.
 

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Let's be honest, it is due to start trials nothing more than that at the moment besides all the bombastic rethtoric.
 

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Thats exactly what he was saying if you watched it. The 20 min test result that shows you are not infectious. You can take it every day or before entering a stadium for example and it gives you a ‘passport’ to mix with those who also passed it.

if the reports are accurate it might exist. If it can be on that scale. Who knows. I doubt it and i think he was trying to sell anything that wont cancel xmas really. But the expert guys were saying this is a spring type of timescale for this.

The '20 minute test' doesn't exist. If it did, it would be in common use.

Boris Johnson is lying to you.
 

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