Politics Coronavirus

[Job]

I think people are jumping the gun, everyone I know who works from home love it for a year and then start to hate it.
Work is getting out of the house for a lot of people and the biggest complaint is being asked to do all kinds of chores because youre in the house.

Theres multiple layers of social structure and communication built around the workplace that remote working is unlikely to replace until we get far more advanced tech..which they will no doubt control the fuck out of to twist us into obedient drone workers.

Maybe local work areas, but that just puts all the costs up and fragments the workforce through local loyalties, theres just so many things tugging away at a work ethic that weve only had for a few hundred years and Im not sure how we are going to deal with the realisation that the vast majority might not be needed for anything.
Remote working is just another giant step towards total automation.

 

[Job]

So post pandemic unrest is nothing new.

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[DaGaffer]

It would distribute jobs more. Pubs and restaurants would be more viable in other areas and not just the big city centres

Nonsense. Seriously think about that for about 10 seconds and get back to me.

 

[DaGaffer]

I think, environmentally speaking, cities have to survive.

City Centres as a concept, however, need to die.

You get much more value out of distributed cities with multiple cultural "mini-central zones" rather than a big ring of suburban hell and carnage into the centre. And the experience is more local (and walkable) too.

So every city becomes a bunch of suburbs? No thanks.

 

[Gwadien]

Nonsense. Seriously think about that for about 10 seconds and get back to me.

Why?

Surely it would encourage local businesses in smaller villages/towns to do well rather than having to compete with the big chains in cities.

I think it already applies around here though; lots of people go away from cities to go out for food etc. Cities are more for the people that wanna out for a meal then a bar crawl.

 

[DaGaffer]

Why?

Surely it would encourage local businesses in smaller villages/towns to do well rather than having to compete with the big chains in cities.

I think it already applies around here though; lots of people go away from cities to go out for food etc. Cities are more for the people that wanna out for a meal then a bar crawl.

Footfall. First, last and always. Suburban pubs have been dying on their arse for years, ditto restaurants. Some can survive, but if you want choice you need footfall. As for small retail businesses, online had fucked them before COVID, its just accelerated now. Even delivery services like Deliveroo need a certain amount of population concentration to work.

 

[Raven]

You do have to go into town if you want a kebab, generally.

 

[Moriath]

So every city becomes a bunch of suburbs? No thanks.

The current mass movement of people is environmentally unsustainable. Think about that for a minute. If however many million people didnt have to get into central london every day how much energy could be saved or repurposed to something more effective than just getting someone to a desk.

People would change things adapt. Shopping is going online so it would be leisure and services that people have to go out to get.

much better in my opinion.

 

[Moriath]

Footfall. First, last and always. Suburban pubs have been dying on their arse for years, ditto restaurants. Some can survive, but if you want choice you need footfall. As for small retail businesses, online had fucked them before COVID, its just accelerated now. Even delivery services like Deliveroo need a certain amount of population concentration to work.

You are moving the concentrations rather than getting rid. Theres plenty of towns over 100k ppl where deliveroo etc exist.
i personally hate them anyway. They leech off of the business. I mean 30% to deliver is extortion.

 

[Raven]

How do you think they make minimum wage?

 

[Gwadien]

Footfall. First, last and always. Suburban pubs have been dying on their arse for years, ditto restaurants. Some can survive, but if you want choice you need footfall. As for small retail businesses, online had fucked them before COVID, its just accelerated now. Even delivery services like Deliveroo need a certain amount of population concentration to work.

But that's entirely the point, if the city 'night life' dies out, then it builds up elsewhere, it doesn't just disappear. There will always be the same demand, I really think it's worth while pushing it out of the cities, it's just better all around, rather than having cities of businesses that can afford the massive rents.

 

[Moriath]

How do you think they make minimum wage?

they are mostly gig economy with no benefits or sick pay. Its a shit job and only benefits the lazy arses who cant go out and get their own takeaway Or go to the restaurant and spend more and tip the waiter. Its the ultimate western decadence.

 

[Moriath]

But that's entirely the point, if the city 'night life' dies out, then it builds up elsewhere, it doesn't just disappear. There will always be the same demand, I really think it's worth while pushing it out of the cities, it's just better all around, rather than having cities of businesses that can afford the massive rents.

And i might stop some of the commuter belt places being completely dull and boring cause everyone goes into the city to go out. win win tbh

 

[DaGaffer]

But that's entirely the point, if the city 'night life' dies out, then it builds up elsewhere, it doesn't just disappear. There will always be the same demand, I really think it's worth while pushing it out of the cities, it's just better all around, rather than having cities of businesses that can afford the massive rents.

It can't build up enough elsewhere to compensate, if it did it would be another city centre!

 

[Scouse]

It can't build up enough elsewhere to compensate, if it did it would be another city centre!

Multiple smaller centres - even in Nottingham you can go to one of a few outside city centre centres.

Shrinking of the centre would push more business that way (and perhaps mean revitalisation of the local too).

 

[Raven]

Just turn offices into housing, or food production.

 

[Ormorof]

they are mostly gig economy with no benefits or sick pay. Its a shit job and only benefits the lazy arses who cant go out and get their own takeaway Or go to the restaurant and spend more and tip the waiter. Its the ultimate western decadence.

The joy of capitalism is that you can simply choose not to use it

Most on here who are happy to see cities go away also seem to be those who rarely visited or lived in cities anyway, i think a rethink of cities is in order, with question needing to be asked (in my opinion) being - who are cities for? Companies? Cars?

 

[DaGaffer]

Multiple smaller centres - even in Nottingham you can go to one of a few outside city centre centres.

Shrinking of the centre would push more business that way (and perhaps mean revitalisation of the local too).

Less choice, less efficient (and sustainable )
transport links. If large urban centres are going to die out because no one needs to go to them for work, so be it but that doesn't equate to all the pubs and restaurants simply flowing out to lower population density areas; it's far more likely to lead to yet more home drinking and socialising; a trend that was in full swing anyway, but is yet another example of the slow "atomisation" of the human experience. We increasingly live in a society designed by introverts.

 

[caLLous]

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[Raven]

Wife had some mild symptoms this morning, being a teacher that's instant test. Good news is that the nearest centre is 65 miles away in Romford and posted tests are not currently available.

The government couldn't have fucked this up even more if they tried really hard.

 

[BloodOmen]

Second full on lockdown is inevitable at this point, 2 days in a row 3,000 new cases, slowly starting to go up again.

 

[Yoni]

Why in "Great Britain" can they can not get this testing organised. Last Thursday one of my department managers contacted me because one of her employees had a "sore throat" and had gone in to the office. Luckily this individual was sharing with one person so we sent them both home and told them to order a PCR test - this was midday. The following day the test was DELIVERERED TO THEIR HOMES and PICKED UP a few hours later and they got their results over the weekend which were negative....

GB should be picking up all these individuals now being made redundant either to deliver tests, or be trained in the administration (gathering of information) from testing - ie ensure all tests are picked up etc etc.

 

[Moriath]

Why in "Great Britain" can they can not get this testing organised. Last Thursday one of my department managers contacted me because one of her employees had a "sore throat" and had gone in to the office. Luckily this individual was sharing with one person so we sent them both home and told them to order a PCR test - this was midday. The following day the test was DELIVERERED TO THEIR HOMES and PICKED UP a few hours later and they got their results over the weekend which were negative....

GB should be picking up all these individuals now being made redundant either to deliver tests, or be trained in the administration (gathering of information) from testing - ie ensure all tests are picked up etc etc.

i agree. However, i assume that the much lower population of your country makes providing infrastructure easier. Especially is most of the population are in a few cities

 

[dysfunction]

Testing in the UK is pretty woeful.

In the beginning I said we we should be focusing on getting testing up and running effectively and got some arguments about that on here....

 

[Yoni]

i agree. However, i assume that the much lower population of your country makes providing infrastructure easier. Especially is most of the population are in a few cities

Nope nope nope - smäller country less resources.... no excuses

 

[Embattle]

I had my monthly test from the ONS today, also had one the other week on behalf of IPSOS. The ONS one is a person who comes round and gives you the swab to do it and then hand it back, the IPSOS one is a delivery and then you organise a pickup via courier.

I know the ONS is recruiting a massive amount of people as my sister is going to do it on what appears to be a temporary basis, like the lady who did ours today she will go around certain addresses to give them test kits and ask questions and then send back the tests.

 

[Moriath]

I got a test booked for 16th for an operation on the 19th. So we will see

 

[Moriath]

Nope nope nope - smäller country less resources.... no excuses

• Sweden: 9,995,153.
• Denmark: 5,748,769.
• Finland: 5,474,083.
• Norway: 5,258,317.
• Iceland: 338,349.
• Greenland: 55,860.
• Faroe Islands: 49,864.

Scandi populations are a lot less. I dont understand ? Things dont scale 1:1 in complexity. Much denser population etc mean there a lot of variables other than just size. And some of the scandi countries are very rich compared to size of population.

 

[Moriath]

Sweden's gdp per capita is greater than the uk

Country comparison United Kingdom vs Sweden 2023

Country comparison, you can compare any two countries and see the data side by side. Here you have the comparison of United Kingdom vs Sweden

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[Yoni]

You have more resources available in GB - Sweden just manage theirs better. Stop making excuses - all other countries have had to put in more effective testing - GB are really failing at this - it doesnt even look like any effort is being put in to it - it is just crap.

I can understand them being caught with thei pants down - many countries were - however most countries effected have clear messaging and are achieving better results.