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[caLLous]

They've deleted the tweet now but "the virus" literally killed the guy whose account they're still using.

 

[Moriath]

Let's face it though, Dominic Cummings will get re-elected because they'll blame the lock down and therefore the decline of the economy on lefty remainers.

I guess you mean boris will get re-elected. Dont think anyone voted for Dom

 

[Wij]

I guess you mean boris will get re-elected. Dont think anyone voted for Dom

Cummings doesn't need Boris to get back in downing street. Murdoch has always preferred Gove anyway and Cummings used to work for Gove.

 

[Moriath]

Cummings doesn't need Boris to get back in downing street. Murdoch has always preferred Gove anyway and Cummings used to work for Gove.

But no one has actually voted for cummings

 

[Raven]

Yes, but has engineered the vote to get himself in. He has his hand so far up Boris's arse that you can see him waving when Boris waffles out some new inanity about taking personal responsibility for whatever clusterfuck is being used to hide what is going on this week.

 

[Moriath]

Yes, but has engineered the vote to get himself in. He has his hand so far up Boris's arse that you can see him waving when Boris waffles out some new inanity about taking personal responsibility for whatever clusterfuck is being used to hide what is going on this week.

Thats not really news tho. It was proven after the durham thing.

 

[Gwadien]

 

[Bodhi]

Wow. The Torygraph cutting data on deaths and economic performance and the UK pretty much hits the toilet any which way data can be cut.

Any of the swivel-eyed care to comment? @Job? @Bodhi?

Hang on a minute, are you suggesting shutting down the economy and NHS for 6 months so nobody can work or seek medical treatment is probably not the way forwards?

Welcome to April!

 

[MYstIC G]

They've deleted the tweet now but "the virus" literally killed the guy whose account they're still using.

Not commenting on the content but when did the entire internet become obsessed with screenshots of social media posts? Links are still a thing, right?

 

[Raven]

You can't link a deleted tweet.

 

[DaGaffer]

Thats not really news tho. It was proven after the durham thing.

But the UK has its sovereignty back. That's the important thing.

 

[Moriath]

But the UK has its sovereignty back. That's the important thing.

Well at the end of the year. Not sure i see the point tho

 

[caLLous]

Not sure i see the point tho

You evidently don't see sarcasm either.

 

[Scouse]

Hang on a minute, are you suggesting shutting down the economy and NHS for 6 months so nobody can work or seek medical treatment is probably not the way forwards?

Welcome to April!

:slow clap:

No. It's nothing more than an expression of incompetence of this Tory government - as shown clearly by the Torygraph.

Shutting down the economy earlier and more decisively would have dramatically cut deaths, shortened the lockdown and had us back on our feet economically much faster.

Dithering by this awful tory government has killed people and fucked us economically.

 

[Bodhi]

Shutting down the economy earlier and more decisively would have dramatically cut deaths, shortened the lockdown and had us back on our feet economically much faster.

No. It wouldn't.

Even your beloved WHO have decided lockdowns are not the way forwards, and have just appointed Prof Giesecke as Deputy Chair of the sub-comittee which advises the DG on Pandemic response.

Johan Giesecke gets new role at WHO - The Post

Strange how they didn't appoint Prof "Lockdown" Ferguson isn't it?

 

[Wij]

No. It wouldn't.

Even your beloved WHO have decided lockdowns are not the way forwards, and have just appointed Prof Giesecke as Deputy Chair of the sub-comittee which advises the DG on Pandemic response.

Johan Giesecke gets new role at WHO - The Post

Strange how they didn't appoint Prof "Lockdown" Ferguson isn't it?

Doesn't change the fact that, for whatever reason, the UK has performed pretty much the worst.

 

[Moriath]

You evidently don't see sarcasm either.

No i dont its part of being autistic. Thanks for pointing it out tho

 

[Raven]

Tens of thousands of Scottish pupils absent from school

More than 100,000 pupils are not in class - mostly for non-Covid reasons, official figures show.

www.bbc.co.uk

Pretty obvious that would happen, I imagine the same will happen in England when the kids go back, wife started today but kids due in Thursday.

 

[Gwadien]

Tens of thousands of Scottish pupils absent from school

More than 100,000 pupils are not in class - mostly for non-Covid reasons, official figures show.

www.bbc.co.uk

Pretty obvious that would happen, I imagine the same will happen in England when the kids go back, wife started today but kids due in Thursday.

Put it down to other viral infections, are they really that dumb?

 

[DaGaffer]

Tens of thousands of Scottish pupils absent from school

More than 100,000 pupils are not in class - mostly for non-Covid reasons, official figures show.

www.bbc.co.uk

Pretty obvious that would happen, I imagine the same will happen in England when the kids go back, wife started today but kids due in Thursday.

My nephew went back on Thursday and he's already been sent home because of a Covid case in his "pod". 14 days' self-isolation.

 

[dysfunction]

No. It wouldn't.

Even your beloved WHO have decided lockdowns are not the way forwards, and have just appointed Prof Giesecke as Deputy Chair of the sub-comittee which advises the DG on Pandemic response.

Johan Giesecke gets new role at WHO - The Post

Strange how they didn't appoint Prof "Lockdown" Ferguson isn't it?

Isn't it funny though that he hasn't said outright that the response wasn't a correct one and would really only know several years down the road

I asked him if he regards his election as a sign that epidemiologists around the world were looking more towards the Swedish response to Covid-19 as a model.

“I don’t think it’s a political statement, no,” he said. “I think they like my experience.”

He repeats his customary advice that it is too early to make those kinds of comparisons anyway. “You should wait one year or maybe five years before comparing strategies. We still have a long way to go in this pandemic.”

 

[Gwadien]

He says it himself.

Anyone, and I mean anyone who suggests they've got the perfect balance between saving the economy and saving lives is chatting bullshit.

A virus was already in Europe we watched on as Wuhan was falling apart as they built hospitals in 5 days in order to cope, we realised we can't do that, so we had to something about it.

Lockdown was the sensible measure, sure, things aren't as bad as they were originally predicted, but I'm still glad that we took the measures we took, because I don't think anyone can actually properly predict what it would have looked like if we didn't do anything.

Not doing anything in response (which no-one did, not even Sweden) would have been a very silly idea, look at the Spanish flu, let's take the lessons learnt from that and then burn them.

 

[Embattle]

View: https://youtu.be/Db_qXKBle08

 

[Yoni]

Lets be clear it is considered that Sweden have done a good job at this time. It is clear living here that they understand their failings and have taken a corrective actions where necessary. I understand that some of you dislike this because they did not go in to a hard lockdown etc but the numbers continue to decrease here in terms of hospitalisations, ICU numbers and death and although how we live here is not comparable to this time last year it is clear that the country is functioning in a stable non hysterical way - we will see if this continues as it gets colder...

a day ago
WHO: "Sweden has done a good job"
During the WHO's press conference on Monday, the question was asked about how they view Sweden's corona strategy, to which Michael Ryan, WHO's head of crisis preparedness, replied that Sweden had "done a good job, by implementing relatively effective measures, while avoiding mandatory shutdowns" .
Michael Ryan says that it is a misunderstanding that Sweden has not introduced any measures at all, but that Sweden's strategy is based on the social contract with relatively high trust between citizens and authorities.
That so many elderly people in special housing have died in Sweden is obviously a failure, he says, but at the same time points out that all countries have had to learn from their mistakes, and from the virus, as time goes on.
- No one has gone through this pandemic with a perfect strategy, says Ryan.




a day ago
WHO: "Sverige har gjort ett bra jobb"
Under WHO:s presskonferens på måndagen ställdes frågan om hur de ser på Sveriges coronastrategi varpå Michael Ryan, WHO:s chef för krisberedskap, svarade att Sverige hade "gjort ett bra jobb, genom att implementera relativt effektiva åtgärder, och samtidigt undvika obligatoriska nedstängningar".
Michael Ryan säger att det är ett missförstånd att Sverige inte har infört några åtgärder överhuvudtaget, utan att Sveriges strategi bygger på det sociala kontraktet med relativt höga förtroendet mellan medborgare och myndigheter.
Att så många äldre personer på särskilda boenden har dött i Sverige är självklart ett misslyckande, menar han, men påpekar samtidigt att alla länder har fått lära sig av sina misstag, och av viruset, allt eftersom.
– Ingen har gått igenom den här pandemin med en perfekt strategi, säger Ryan.

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Anna Skoog (DN) edited by Amanda Dahl (DN)

 

[Moriath]

https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/

1 in 208 deaths is a child in the usa. That means almost 900 of the 185,000 deaths. Even small percentages add up

 

[dysfunction]

Lets be clear it is considered that Sweden have done a good job at this time. It is clear living here that they understand their failings and have taken a corrective actions where necessary. I understand that some of you dislike this because they did not go in to a hard lockdown etc but the numbers continue to decrease here in terms of hospitalisations, ICU numbers and death and although how we live here is not comparable to this time last year it is clear that the country is functioning in a stable non hysterical way - we will see if this continues as it gets colder...

a day ago
WHO: "Sweden has done a good job"
During the WHO's press conference on Monday, the question was asked about how they view Sweden's corona strategy, to which Michael Ryan, WHO's head of crisis preparedness, replied that Sweden had "done a good job, by implementing relatively effective measures, while avoiding mandatory shutdowns" .
Michael Ryan says that it is a misunderstanding that Sweden has not introduced any measures at all, but that Sweden's strategy is based on the social contract with relatively high trust between citizens and authorities.
That so many elderly people in special housing have died in Sweden is obviously a failure, he says, but at the same time points out that all countries have had to learn from their mistakes, and from the virus, as time goes on.
- No one has gone through this pandemic with a perfect strategy, says Ryan.




a day ago
WHO: "Sverige har gjort ett bra jobb"
Under WHO:s presskonferens på måndagen ställdes frågan om hur de ser på Sveriges coronastrategi varpå Michael Ryan, WHO:s chef för krisberedskap, svarade att Sverige hade "gjort ett bra jobb, genom att implementera relativt effektiva åtgärder, och samtidigt undvika obligatoriska nedstängningar".
Michael Ryan säger att det är ett missförstånd att Sverige inte har infört några åtgärder överhuvudtaget, utan att Sveriges strategi bygger på det sociala kontraktet med relativt höga förtroendet mellan medborgare och myndigheter.
Att så många äldre personer på särskilda boenden har dött i Sverige är självklart ett misslyckande, menar han, men påpekar samtidigt att alla länder har fått lära sig av sina misstag, och av viruset, allt eftersom.
– Ingen har gått igenom den här pandemin med en perfekt strategi, säger Ryan.

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Anna Skoog (DN) edited by Amanda Dahl (DN)

But one size doesn't fit all. What is good for Sweden doesn't equate to being good for everywhere.

 

[Yoni]

That argument doesn’t really work as Sweden was criticised (including on here constantly) for taking a different approach to begin with... There are elements that can and in my view should be followed, children at school for example.
One issue I find interesting is that in the UK specifically (other countries now have their kids back at school) is that the well being of the 50+ age group is being put ahead of children and their wellbeing - this is not about not looking after the old - this is about the future generation and their mental wellbeing.

As for kids in America there should be further analysis done as it appears to be an outlier - it would not airline if those affected children were clinically obese - it is incredibly sad that whilst there is a deeper understanding of why this kills adults, this is not understood.

 

[Embattle]

Whoops, you really have to wonder about politicians:

Nancy Pelosi seen without mask inside San Francisco hair salon

The US House speaker, who has called Mr Trump a coward for not wearing a mask, claimed ignorance of rules.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[dysfunction]

That argument doesn’t really work as Sweden was criticised (including on here constantly) for taking a different approach to begin with... There are elements that can and in my view should be followed, children at school for example.
One issue I find interesting is that in the UK specifically (other countries now have their kids back at school) is that the well being of the 50+ age group is being put ahead of children and their wellbeing - this is not about not looking after the old - this is about the future generation and their mental wellbeing.

As for kids in America there should be further analysis done as it appears to be an outlier - it would not airline if those affected children were clinically obese - it is incredibly sad that whilst there is a deeper understanding of why this kills adults, this is not understood.

Kids are going back to school now though in the UK...

 

[Wij]

£842 per coverall:

Government Spends £364 Million on Coveralls, Delivers Just 432,000 – Byline Times

The Government has shelled out over £840 per bodysuit delivered to the NHS, reports Sam Bright

bylinetimes.com