Politics Coronavirus

[Job]

It will be 20 thousand down before the end of the year.

Coronavirus death toll in England revised down by more than 5,000

Moves comes because people who may have recovered from virus before they died were still counted in total number

www.theguardian.com

 

[Raven]

@Job, do you use a lot of lead when plumbing?

 

[Gwadien]

@Job, do you use a lot of lead when plumbing?

I'm not sure this post passes regulations.

 

[Raven]

yay, Northampton.

Coronavirus: Greencore staff self-isolate after outbreak

Health officials are working with the sandwich makers in Northampton, where 299 tested positive.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Moriath]

I'm not sure this post passes regulations.

Donno could just be asking if thats why his posts are so weird rather than thinking he will die from it. Probably just scrapes past

 

[Raven]

I'm not sure what there is to like about that @Moriath, people may well cark it, they are likely all minimum wage Eastern Europeans, it could become a problem like Leicester.

 

[Gwadien]

I'm not sure what there is to like about that @Moriath, people may well cark it, they are likely all minimum wage Eastern Europeans, it could become a problem like Leicester.

A like from Moriath means it's passed the censors.

 

[Moriath]

A like from Moriath means it's passed the censors.

Remove that chip from yr shoulder.

 

[Moriath]

I'm not sure what there is to like about that @Moriath, people may well cark it, they are likely all minimum wage Eastern Europeans, it could become a problem like Leicester.

Was liking the share of information. That ok ?

 

[Jupitus]

Was liking the share of information. That ok ?

Perhaps the 'informative' button is what you are looking for - just sayin'

 

[Moriath]

Perhaps the 'informative' button is what you are looking for - just sayin'

Was the one i picked at the time. Usually info is for when its something that helped me. But whatever. Also the post was started with yay... without a wink or anything signifying sarcasm. So i went with it.

if you dont want things to be taken as they are typed add context. With autism its hard to differentiate yay good from yay sarcasm especially in text.

 

[Jupitus]

Was the one i picked at the time. Usually info is for when its something that helped me. But whatever. Also the post was started with yay... without a wink or anything signifying sarcasm. So i went with it.

if you dont want things to be taken as they are typed add context. With autism its hard to differentiate yay good from yay sarcasm especially in text.

ok @Moriath , I hear ya, and fair enough

 

[fettoken]

And there lays the insanity.
They are going to have to return to lockdown everytime someone sneezes.

So, i have friends working in hospitals whom have witnessed of some rather grueling scenes. Usually they have capacity to handle dead bodies and are used to it to some extent, but this was somewhat bad. They said it was traumatizing, “like a war scenario”, didn’t have enough storage for em.

 

[Gwadien]

Coronavirus: France to be added to UK quarantine countries

Many of the 160,000 Britons in France face a scramble to return before 04:00 BST on Saturday.

www.bbc.co.uk

Inb4 there's a break out linked to ferry ports and the chunnel.

 

[Wij]

Coronavirus: France to be added to UK quarantine countries

Many of the 160,000 Britons in France face a scramble to return before 04:00 BST on Saturday.

www.bbc.co.uk

Inb4 there's a break out linked to ferry ports and the chunnel.

Distraction from exam results fiasco?

 

[Yoni]

My personal opinion is that if you choose to travel this year from the UK then you have no one but yourself to blame.... Especially as the UK government was flip flopping on safe countries to travel to ie this isn't the first time they have given a short timeframe to implement quarantine... Additionally from what I understand from those returning there are no real checkups on quarantine when you return ....

 

[Moriath]

My personal opinion is that if you choose to travel this year from the UK then you have no one but yourself to blame.... Especially as the UK government was flip flopping on safe countries to travel to ie this isn't the first time they have given a short timeframe to implement quarantine... Additionally from what I understand from those returning there are no real checkups on quarantine when you return ....

I know someone who flew back from china a few weeks ago and people would call them at home to make sure they were there

 

[dysfunction]

I know someone who flew back from china a few weeks ago and people would call them at home to make sure they were there

I dont have a home phone...so not if they are like me then that's not a very effective method of checking

 

[Gwadien]

My problem with is the logistics of it.

You've got up to 210k British people hurrying back to the UK via probably 3-4 major places (chunnel, dover, and other ports).

They're coming from all over France and going to all over the UK, it just seems that's the ideal situation for a virus.

Surely it would make more sense to say if you're already in France, you have a week to get yourself back and you can skip the quarantine, if you're going there right now and intent to come back before that week period then you'll have to go into quarantine.

Giving people 24 hours to panic is utterly stupid tbh.

Also, why aren't we following them locally and issuing quarantine for people who have visited particular areas where it is particularly high?

and Yes @Yoni I agree, it's stupid to go on holiday right on (especially abroad) but I guess the need to go on holiday reflects what life is like in the UK.

 

[dysfunction]

My problem with is the logistics of it.

You've got up to 210k British people hurrying back to the UK via probably 3-4 major places (chunnel, dover, and other ports).

They're coming from all over France and going to all over the UK, it just seems that's the ideal situation for a virus.

Surely it would make more sense to say if you're already in France, you have a week to get yourself back and you can skip the quarantine, if you're going there right now and intent to come back before that week period then you'll have to go into quarantine.

Giving people 24 hours to panic is utterly stupid tbh.

Also, why aren't we following them locally and issuing quarantine for people who have visited particular areas where it is particularly high?

and Yes @Yoni I agree, it's stupid to go on holiday right on (especially abroad) but I guess the need to go on holiday reflects what life is like in the UK.

You can still go on holiday within the UK.

Also those countries were at tipping point about a week ago so if people dont keep an eye on the stats then it's their own fault.

 

[Gwadien]

You can still go on holiday within the UK.

Yes, which is better than abroad as you don't usually use transport hubs to get there.

Distraction from exam results fiasco?

It's pretty nuts that if you have a super intelligent kid in the worst school in the UK their grades are going to be shit.

I mean it has always been a problem but this is pretty laid bare.

 

[Scouse]

Surely it would make more sense to say if you're already in France, you have a week to get yourself back and you can skip the quarantine, if you're going there right now and intent to come back before that week period then you'll have to go into quarantine.

No no no.

Slow to lock down is exactly what cost us additional tens of thousands of lives.

So you want to bring back a quarter of a million people back from France and say "skip quarantine"?

Have you learned nothing about virus transmission during this particularly apt time to learn about exactly that?

@dysfunction - I have sympathy with your position - that it's dumb to go on holiday at the moment. But I've just moved to my own holiday destination. If I was still holed up in Nottingham I could be very tempted, given the government said "it's fine, off you go".

(Although I'd simply have grabbed my tent and headed here...)

 

[Moriath]

No no no.

Slow to lock down is exactly what cost us additional tens of thousands of lives.

So you want to bring back a quarter of a million people back from France and say "skip quarantine"?

Have you learned nothing about virus transmission during this particularly apt time to learn about exactly that?

@dysfunction - I have sympathy with your position - that it's dumb to go on holiday at the moment. But I've just moved to my own holiday destination. If I was still holed up in Nottingham I could be very tempted, given the government said "it's fine, off you go".

(Although I'd simply have grabbed my tent and headed here...)

Holidaying in a pandemic is always going to be dodgey and after spain changes a few weeks ago no one can claim to be surprised at this. They have been talking about increased virus to spain levels in france the last few days.

 

[Gwadien]

No no no.

Slow to lock down is exactly what cost us additional tens of thousands of lives.

So you want to bring back a quarter of a million people back from France and say "skip quarantine"?

Have you learned nothing about virus transmission during this particularly apt time to learn about exactly that?

@dysfunction - I have sympathy with your position - that it's dumb to go on holiday at the moment. But I've just moved to my own holiday destination. If I was still holed up in Nottingham I could be very tempted, given the government said "it's fine, off you go".

(Although I'd simply have grabbed my tent and headed here...)

No.

I'm saying it's stupid to give such a short time frame because then you're encouraging mass movements and contact.

Either give people time not to panic or you make it so the rules are immediate.

 

[caLLous]

So you want to bring back a quarter of a million people back from France and say "skip quarantine"?

To be fair that's exactly what they've done by giving people 36 hours to panic and come home early - "if you can get back before 4am on Saturday then you don't have to quarantine". What did they think was going to happen? Perhaps a better idea would've been to say "as of right fucking now, you have to quarantine" rather than giving people enough time to think they could get back if they ended their holidays prematurely and all hurtled towards the ports and airports.

The way they've done it does seem like the most effective way imaginable to actually bring the virus over The Channel.

 

[Bodhi]

yay, Northampton.

Coronavirus: Greencore staff self-isolate after outbreak

Health officials are working with the sandwich makers in Northampton, where 299 tested positive.

www.bbc.co.uk

Good job it ddin't happen at the butter factory next door it would have spread even further.

 

[Moriath]

To be fair that's exactly what they've done by giving people 36 hours to panic and come home early - "if you can get back before 4am on Saturday then you don't have to quarantine". What did they think was going to happen? Perhaps a better idea would've been to say "as of right fucking now, you have to quarantine" rather than giving people enough time to think they could get back if they ended their holidays prematurely and all hurtled towards the ports and airports.

The way they've done it does seem like the most effective way imaginable to actually bring the virus over The Channel.

They were shouted at for no notice in spain. Now they are shouted at for 36 hours notice. Cant win tbh. Always gonna be some upset and i am with you it should have been immediate.

 

[Moriath]

Good job it ddin't happen at the butter factory next door it would have spread even further.

Thats so bad that joke. Lol

 

[Scouse]

No.

I'm saying it's stupid to give such a short time frame because then you're encouraging mass movements and contact.

Either give people time not to panic or you make it so the rules are immediate.

This seems sensible on the surface but think about it for a moment.

The danger is in France. It's (currently) in the French population. Longer exposure to the French population is the thing they're trying to limit - and you don't limit that by giving people a week.

The risk-determination is clearly "the longer brits are in france, the more of them will get it and bring it back - so the risk of potentially higher transmissions at a short-notice crossing between a low-infection population is lower than the risk of infection over an extended time from a higher-infection population to a lower-infection population.

Sometimes "panic" (or get the fuck out of there whilst attempting to observe social distancing as best you can) is the correct response.


Edit: Re-read your post - make the quarantine rule immediate but let people come back slowly? Nah. The response is "get the fuck out of there - now please".

The leeway on quarantine is a bit weird but lets not forget hard lockdown is harsh.

What they should be getting absolutely crucified for is not enough test-and-trace.

But people will vote tory...

 

[Scouse]

To be fair that's exactly what they've done by giving people 36 hours to panic and come home early - "if you can get back before 4am on Saturday then you don't have to quarantine". What did they think was going to happen? Perhaps a better idea would've been to say "as of right fucking now, you have to quarantine" rather than giving people enough time to think they could get back if they ended their holidays prematurely and all hurtled towards the ports and airports.

The way they've done it does seem like the most effective way imaginable to actually bring the virus over The Channel.

Disagree.

The response they want is "get out of France - quick".

If they said "and you have to quarantine" then most people would say "well I'm going to finish my fucking holiday then".

So get out quick, and you don't have to quarantine is designed to achieve getting maximum people out of france as quickly as possible.

Being in France is the no.1 danger.

So you fix that and manage the fallout.

Entirely correct messaging IMO - if what you want to achieve is the highest amount of people leaving France in the shortest possible timeframe.