Politics Coronavirus

[Job]

To France.

 

[caLLous]

Hydroxychloroquine fails to prevent COVID-19 in rigorous study

 

[Bodhi]

Hydroxychloroquine fails to prevent COVID-19 in rigorous study

A study so rigorous, they relied on self reporting and didn't even test for Covid-19.

There are some big caveats: The study enrolled people through the Internet and social media, relying on them to report their own symptoms rather than having them tracked in a formal way by doctors. Participants were not all tested for the coronavirus but were diagnosed as COVID-19 cases based on symptoms in many cases. And not all took their medicines as directed.

So slightly less junk than the last big HCQ study - which The Lancet just withdrew as it was so bad - but still doesn't really tell us much, other than it probably doesn't cure hay-fever and has some side effects. They could have got that from the label.[/QUOTE]

 

[Bodhi]

Two elite medical journals retract coronavirus papers over data integrity questions

Oh.

 

[Scouse]

Two elite medical journals retract coronavirus papers over data integrity questions

Oh.

That's normal procedure when there's no trust in the authors, findings come to light about the quality/honesty of the work.

It's not the first time either journal have printed retractions. Some people are won't to falsify their work, which is part of the point of peer review.

System working

 

[~Yuckfou~]

If it is the same thing I'm thinking about it was the attempt to create a unified/universal digital system for patient records etc (NHS Connecting for Health - Wikipedia), it was started under Labour (Tony Blair) and it produced little more than cost overruns and time delays and was ultimately scrapped. The system is more locally linked now with different computer systems, it is probably why after nearly a year my GP patient records are still missing from my new practice when I moved from London to Devon.

I've always wanted a system that is highly integrated, in essence they could scan my fingerprint and get my medical record and see everything no matter where I was in the UK.

I was also involved with that, digitising patient records. It was a complete clusterfuck. When I met with any of the NHS Trust boards all they had was a complete lack of understanding. Throughout the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing. It was so frustrating that non of the "experts" had any clue at all.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

Oh and even the police don't trust them...

Coronavirus: Police forces plan to use their own contact tracing system

 

[Bodhi]

That's normal procedure when there's no trust in the authors, findings come to light about the quality/honesty of the work.

It's not the first time either journal have printed retractions. Some people are won't to falsify their work, which is part of the point of peer review.

System working

To be fair to Horton of The Lancet, he worked a bit quicker this time than he did with the Wakefield MMR report that gave birth to the anti-vaxx movement. 13 years it took him to retract that one.

 

[Bodhi]

And some good news - Brazil to start testing Oxford vaccine against the coronavirus this month

Infections in the UK are so low now the Oxford vaccine team have had to move to Brazil to test it. Makes sense, as in the UK the epidemic is pretty much done.

 

[caLLous]

It's far too early to say anything of the sort. The R number (which the Government have decided is actually important again) is above 1 in the north west and at or a fanny hair away from 1 in a load of other regions.

 

[Scouse]

It's far too early to say anything of the sort. The R number (which the Government have decided is actually important again) is above 1 in the north west and at or a fanny hair away from 1 in a load of other regions.

It'll be Job, boarding trains and licking every available surface before telling inspectors to CTFOADOCoronavirus.

 

[caLLous]

No clinical benefit from use of hydroxychloroquine in hospitalised patients with COVID-19 — RECOVERY Trial

 

[Moriath]

It's far too early to say anything of the sort. The R number (which the Government have decided is actually important again) is above 1 in the north west and at or a fanny hair away from 1 in a load of other regions.

Nw and sw have nearly 1 R. Both areas where the stupid tourists come when the sun shines.

 

[Embattle]

Nw and sw have nearly 1 R. Both areas where the stupid tourists come when the sun shines.

I think there are plenty of stupid people here already without taking an influx of more stupid people, although it is more likely due to the lag effect of other areas compared to London.

 

[Scouse]

Nw and sw have nearly 1 R. Both areas where the stupid tourists come when the sun shines.

North Wales still has a high rate - and judging by the amount of scousers here last weekend...

 

[Moriath]

North Wales still has a high rate - and judging by the amount of scousers here last weekend...

Yeah go home @Scouse lol. J/k. Dont kill me. Etc. Etc.

 

[Wij]

£108m PPE contract was given to small pest control company | News | The Times

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1269261963378466816

 

[dysfunction]

View: https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1269261963378466816

That's amusing as he used to be editor for The Spectator

 

[BloodOmen]

Nice to see protesters in London being fucking idiots. I can sympathise with the message but now isn't the time for it, each and everyone of them is essentially responsible for a death because given how many there are, it's almost inevitable at this point that at least one of them don't have Corona and if one of them have it, a lot of them have it.

 

[Job]

Nice to see protesters in London being fucking idiots. I can sympathise with the message but now isn't the time for it, each and everyone of them is essentially responsible for a death because given how many there are, it's almost inevitable at this point that at least one of them don't have Corona and if one of them have it, a lot of them have it.

And anyone pointing it out is a racist.
If it does spike, which tbh I dont think it will.
We need to build a wall around London manchester sheffield and birmingham.

 

[BloodOmen]

And anyone pointing it out is a racist.
If it does spike, which tbh I dont think it will.
We need to build a wall around London manchester sheffield and birmingham.

Nothing racist about it. I both symathise and understand the need for non-violent protest but this isn't like any other time, this is the middle of a global pandemic, people are so fucking stupid and are desperate for virtue signalling points though they're throwing common sense out of the window.

 

[Embattle]

I heard a clip on Radio 5 Live from someone who represents one anti racism group, they seemed to think it was also important to go to highlight the higher rate of death in BAME groups from coronavirus which I found somewhat ironic considering the high percentage of BAME participants at these protests. I also saw people like Anthony Joshua at one without a face mask, even though face masks are generally advised now the effect of them is minimal in most cases and probably more so if you are standing next to someone.

 

[Yoni]

It was Sweden’s national day today and normally many many people are out around the water and having lunch around Strandvägen..... today very few about thank god - unlike the many thousand who decided to protest in the central of town last Wednesday :/

 

[Bodhi]

It's far too early to say anything of the sort. The R number (which the Government have decided is actually important again) is above 1 in the north west and at or a fanny hair away from 1 in a load of other regions.

You might want to get a job with Astra Zenica with insight like that, you could save them a fortune in moving to Brazil to find infected people to test the vaccine on.

 

[Bodhi]

That's amusing as he used to be editor for The Spectator

I'm assuming this is your first experience of The Spectator?

 

[dysfunction]

I'm assuming this is your first experience of The Spectator?

You assume wrong

 

[caLLous]

You might want to get a job with Astra Zenica with insight like that, you could save them a fortune in moving to Brazil to find infected people to test the vaccine on.

Cool. I'll get a job there and you get a job with the DHSC which announced just shy of 1,600 positive test results just yesterday.

A UK-based pharma company wanting to go to the country with one of the biggest *current* outbreaks in no way means that "in the UK the epidemic is pretty much done". If you want to test your vaccine effectively, you take it to a country where the virus is rife. That's just logical. Once again, just because there aren't enough cases (or a high enough concentration of cases) in a country does not mean that its "epidemic is pretty much done".

Edit - and AstraZeneca aren't "moving to Brazil" - they have 10,000 participants in the UK, 30,000 in America and will have 2,000 in Brazil.

“The most important thing is to carry out this stage of the study now, when the epidemiological curve is still rising and the results may be more assertive,” said Lily Yin Weckx, coordinator of the Reference Center for Special Immunobiologicals (CRIE) at the Federal University of Sao Paulo Unifesp.

 

[Scouse]

and AstraZeneca aren't "moving to Brazil" - they have 10,000 participants in the UK, 30,000 in America and will have 2,000 in Brazil.

I saw his post this morning and was going to call him on his bullshit but figured I'd leave it until I got home, so ta @caLLous

Suffice to say he thinks climate change isn't real, or if it is it isn't a problem or man made, smoking doesn't kill you, coronavirus isn't really a problem and the deaths that have happened are going to be dwarfed by suicides (or something).

If there's the wrong side to come down on something you can pretty much bet @Bodhi'll be there - sniping from the sidelines at any suggestion that the world could be a better place if we did things differently.

 

[Scouse]

Always loved Cuba's healthcare model.

In the absence of money for drugs they focus on prevention, train more doctors per head of population than any other country (and use them for global social good - 'exporting' a significant number at any one time) everyone gets seen, regularly, by a doctor that lives near them and knows them personally.

Despite destitution, your child is more likely to live to five years old in Cuba than Canada.