Cleaning Sidi Even when it is Booked (petition)

[Lizia]

hi,

I am starting here a petition for GMs to sign here up. The reason for this that a few guilds regularly clear Sidi, even when it is booked by an other guild.

If we allow this to happen it will soon be uther chaos. And the only reason for this is that a few people think they can get away with it. Even mostly it are Focus Pull groups who do this.

If a guild signs this peptition, with that they recognise the booking sheet, will note down names/guilds who they catch on the act of clearing Sidi even after it is booked and post they're names here in public.

So I see for no alliance of guild any reason not to sign this petition.

greetings,

Lizia

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

I admit it, i go there.
If i can assamble a group and go to sidi, I pretty damn make sure I'll go there, you can't book a camp spot / exp spot and you can't pwn a dungeon.

so what if you don't like it? im pretty sure noone will stop it as far as i know everyone agrees with me that is actually going there focus pulling atm

 

[thorwyntf]

<Blade&Quill> has always respected the booking sheet and will do so in the future.
Note, however, that this booking sheet can not be considered "official" because there are a good number of people out there who don´t know and read BW forums.

 

[fed007]

ye =/

happened to kotl last week

some ppl stole mobs(we think) therefore none for us...

heard it was SS anon in Sidi but dunno...

 

[thorwyntf]

Ah.. there we go. One of the wannabe Che Guevaras with their "I`m free to do whatever I want to do, it´s a free world and a free game and I`m paying for it and I can if I want, even if it makes me look like a retarded mopron, who cares lol imo tbh!"argumentation.
You know that nobody has a right to pwn a dungeon. That´s what you´re good at.. knowing what others can´t do. But on the other hand, pissing off an entire community that´s trying to sort out some rules to get along with each other is perfecly ok in your books innit.

:great:

 

[the_hermit]

I think Lomald hit the nail on the head... Sure, it'd be NICE if people took into account what's what - but fact is, not everyone reads BW, and not everyone can get on at "raid times". I think if guild heads start saying "You aren't allowed in Sidi today" then people will either

1- Go anyway and get kicked from the guild, then continue to go anyway.

2- Obey the "order" but resent it, and probably end up leaving anyway.

I suppose people that REALLY don't like the rule can also report it to RightNow - you can't/aren't allowed to "Claim" an area - if someone gets REALLY stroppy about it, then they can prolly do all sorts.

Also - all the Guild/Alliance heads might well agree - but there will always be people that aren't in either loop, or the small, non-allianced guilds - they will carry on - and then what?

And this is my unbiased view - never been to Sidi (not hard enough ) but I've seen it from the outside! hehe Like I say - it would be nice if everyone got along - but it's not going to happen!

[edit - forgot to add bits!]

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by fed007
ye =/

happened to kotl last week

some ppl stole mobs(we think) therefore none for us...

heard it was SS anon in Sidi but dunno...

If you are refering to Teba, Elitrea and me and 1 or more cleric, that was us .. be we didn't interfere with you. SS with Elrich leading took a few keymobs and Bane we really didn't kill anything.

Edit: As most of you were anon we couldn't predict there was around 4FG allready there.

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by thorwyntf
Ah.. there we go. One of the wannabe Che Guevaras with their "I`m free to do whatever I want to do, it´s a free world and a free game and I`m paying for it and I can if I want, even if it makes me look like a retarded mopron, who cares lol imo tbh!"argumentation.
You know that nobody has a right to pwn a dungeon. That´s what you´re good at.. knowing what others can´t do. But on the other hand, pissing off an entire community that´s trying to sort out some rules to get along with each other is perfecly ok in your books innit.

:great:

I'm not a wannabe. I'm just saying that noone can stop me from puting a group together and go to sidi just because someone have "booked" it later that evening.

And you stand correct ... I know what others can't do and I know what I can do (and you for that matter too). And tbh, I really don't care if no guilds like it or if it makes me look like a moron (in your oppinion at least). But of course if somsone allready was in Sidi i wouldn't go there, but just don't think that I would not go there just because someone have "claimed / booked" it.

that is the exactly same thing as claiming exp spots in barrows or avalon city and as we all know, game doesn't work that way. I guess you just have to deal with me being a moron going where I want to when I want to if I can.

Regards.

 

[loxleyhood]

Caer Sidi, what a nightmare.

 

[Belomar]

From what I understand, the small SS party who went there last week went there totally unawares that there was a booking -- they simply didn't check the booking sheet. Then they get told off by some moron called Teba, who in the end turned out to be in the wrong as well, since KotL evidently had booked the dungeon.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

For GM´s and officers try to look here should be a lot of guilds in here MesSº did some nice work


http://hb.daoc.hu/viewforum.php?f=21&sid=cbdb0eda0fe1b9715145f76bdf11d686


gl and hf

 

[Fagane]

From what I understand is that Teba and her ASq party got told off and made messages "I do not respect the Sidi Booking sheet, so piss off".

Also they started to pull at spot other people where pulling and started to kill key-lord other people where making the adds clear from.

They did not do this one time but several times, and kept insulting everybody.

Fagane

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by the_hermit
I think Lomald hit the nail on the head... Sure, it'd be NICE if people took into account what's what - but fact is, not everyone reads BW, and not everyone can get on at "raid times".

Lomald wasn't saying "I don't read BW so don't know about it" he's saying "I know you're going in there but tough I'm going to pull anyway"

there's a difference.

However we can inform the people in there of the booking sheet and ask them to take notice of it in future - can't expect everyone to read here.

It's up to them after they read it if they're going to be an arse like Lomald or not though

 

[bob007]

Funny thing about the "I don't care, I go were i want" groups are. They don't seem to like the list, But the list is the only reason they can go there and find it empty. The large majority respect the booking and book another time. If there was no list, Their would be Groups upon groups of ppl, Standing at every corner, Pulling anything insight with the hope of getting a drop. More focus groups then you could imaging. Bigger alliances/guilds running around for a few hours with no worries about anyone complaining, Coz they have no reason to. Basicaly you'd turn sidi in barrows.

Wonder how much these "I don't care, I go were i want" groups would get then.

Maybe time to drop the list and open sidi for the masses ?

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Fagane
Also they started to pull at spot other people where pulling and started to kill key-lord other people where making the adds clear from.

In the case of Sidi you could class that as kill stealing - as long as you've asked them to stop and take logs/screenshots you might well be worth posting to RightNow in that case.

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
In the case of Sidi you could class that as kill stealing - as long as you've asked them to stop and take logs/screenshots you might well be worth posting to RightNow in that case.

Indd, but tbh .... we actually pulled lich before the other gropu that was killing in extreeeeeeeeeeemely slow speed (tank grp or something, way wrong of doing fast sidi). so maybe we could have reported it via rightnow? At least I didn't . But i am pretty sure that Teba was acting very rude and with disrespect, so I wouldn't be surprised if the tank group did that.

(and tbh, i understand why that group attacked the mob we had pulled, but in that very case .. they actuallly kill stealed from us).

Regards.

Ps- I have chat logs and Screens to back it up Ds-

Ps2 - I only stand for what i said and did, I know SS had problems with Teba that evening though...but in the other hand SS was there withoug booking as I Ds2

 

[the_hermit]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
Lomald wasn't saying "I don't read BW so don't know about it" he's saying "I know you're going in there but tough I'm going to pull anyway"

there's a difference.

However we can inform the people in there of the booking sheet and ask them to take notice of it in future - can't expect everyone to read here.

It's up to them after they read it if they're going to be an arse like Lomald or not though

True enough...

I don't think many in my guild read these forums - I know a few do, but I will point them this way (well, not THIS way, but to the sheet )

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
Lomald wasn't saying "I don't read BW so don't know about it" he's saying "I know you're going in there but tough I'm going to pull anyway"

there's a difference.

However we can inform the people in there of the booking sheet and ask them to take notice of it in future - can't expect everyone to read here.

It's up to them after they read it if they're going to be an arse like Lomald or not though

Actually you are putting words in my mouth ... scroll up and read what I typed. But I'll type it again for you so you might get the fact straight this time...

I don't care about booking, if I want to go to Sidi I will go there without checking booking sheet. And everyone should if they want to as well, it's avarage 6 hours mob spawn , that equals avarage 4 groups per day in sidi, which equals 28 sidi raids a week. Surely there is nothing keeping me from Sidi when there's plenty of room for all.

And also, I said that i never went there IF there were people there... /who sidi and noone shows up, not my problem if they are anon, if there are people there I don't go there.

maybe that clears a few things out?

Edit: Typos

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
(and tbh, i understand why that group attacked the mob we had pulled, but in that very case .. they actuallly kill stealed from us).

aye...

hrm how often do you go in sidi? be nice to take 6fg there every night and steamroll past your focus pulling lot (not that I would)

 

[bob007]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
aye...

hrm how often do you go in sidi? be nice to take 6fg there every night and steamroll past your focus pulling lot (not that I would)

If you do. Give me a shout am pretty sure i can add another 3+ fgs to that (not that i would )

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by the_hermit
I don't think many in my guild read these forums - I know a few do, but I will point them this way (well, not THIS way, but to the sheet )

thankyou

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
aye...

hrm how often do you go in sidi? be nice to take 6fg there every night and steamroll past your focus pulling lot (not that I would)

Actually I am not there often. Been there like once at most twice, But I'm just arguing about what I think is wrong ... people claiming they ahve the right to own a dungeon at a given date and time just because they have said so.

I'm just arguing for my oppinions which is i don't give a shit about a booking due to many reasons.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by bob007
Maybe time to drop the list and open sidi for the masses ?

At least in the case of the big raids it seems to work - it means you don't have 5 guilds outside Sidi of a saturday/sunday.

Just the small raids during the week being disrupted by some inconsiderate souls.

Lomald - were it the Barrows (with repops) and not Caer Sidi (wacky no repop stuff) then I'd agree with you.

but it's not.

Someone going in two hours before your scheduled raid and clearing the place means there's no dungeon left to do.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Actually I am not there often. Been there like once at most twice, But I'm just arguing about what I think is wrong ... people claiming they ahve the right to own a dungeon at a given date and time just because they have said so.

I'm just arguing for my oppinions which is i don't give a shit about a booking due to many reasons.

Heh you misread the booking sheet...

The booking sheet is "I'm planning a raid at this time, it'd probably be better if you don't plan a raid then as we'll collide and have less monsters to kill. Why not try another day."

It relies on people being decent human beings to work so I guess it is fundamentally flawed

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
And also, I said that i never went there IF there were people there... /who sidi and noone shows up, not my problem if they are anon, if there are people there I don't go there.

maybe that clears a few things out?

Sad person you are.

I have seen the screenies and logs that says otherwise. No-one there was anon, you just enterd, passed them on the stairs and started to fucus pull just around the corner, after 80% of the adds where killed by somebody else.

Also there was a discusion with your group 30 to 60 min before this incident, and you where told to please do not come.

Again we also got screenies you mixed into a fight against Bane.

When we started to make screenies of this we noticed that half your group did go anon after they started to focus pull.

You are a sad git Lomald

Fagane

 

[Flimgoblin]

RightNow is your friend.

Have you got a list of people who were with him? I'm sure the GMs of whichever guilds they are in would be interested

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
Heh you misread the booking sheet...

The booking sheet is "I'm planning a raid at this time, it'd probably be better if you don't plan a raid then as we'll collide and have less monsters to kill. Why not try another day."

It relies on people being decent human beings to work so I guess it is fundamentally flawed

Fair enough, but what i said (if you again scroll up) i don't plan to interfere with other people allready in sidi .

 

[Fagane]

It did not involve me sadly enough or I would have reported him on the spot. I do know that it was reported to the Guild Leader. And she is hoping they're GM will handle this. I would not have given them that chance.

We can only hope he will handle this case.

Fagane

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Fair enough, but what i said (if you again scroll up) i don't plan to interfere with other people allready in sidi .

Stop being this Ass Lomald you already did and got caught with it. Half your group did even go anon when they started to pull. The group was there already for 30 to 60min! And it was a 2e go by some kotl members who booked and did try it before.

Sad Git stop lying

Fagane

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Fagane
Sad person you are.

I have seen the screenies and logs that says otherwise. No-one there was anon, you just enterd, passed them on the stairs and started to fucus pull just around the corner, after 80% of the adds where killed by somebody else.

Also there was a discusion with your group 30 to 60 min before this incident, and you where told to please do not come.

Again we also got screenies you mixed into a fight against Bane.

When we started to make screenies of this we noticed that half your group did go anon after they started to focus pull.

You are a sad git Lomald


Fagane

And i have logs that shows the real truth, shall we take it from the beginnning?

Teba asks me if i want to join sidi raid .. i ask when and where .. she says gwyntell now .. i do /who sidi .. i find 3 .. yes THREEE people in sidi, so yes i accepted it and off we went.

We reached the entrance and then found 1, maybe 2 hard to tell .. FGS pulling there, slow as a snail but we cept moving ... by the time we entered 2FG SS also entered, Elrich led them btw.

We kept moving pulling mobs from a place you hadn't touched yet .. a.k.a we didn't interfere with you, nor kill stealt nor exp leech nor anything else against CoC.

If you or anyone else spoke with Teba then so be it as you didn't speak with me i really don't give a shit and i can't tell what Teba said or anything like that.

And about bane, it's pure bullshit whare you are typing. We went to bane, we saw 2FG SS trying to kill it , and they kept dieing over and over and over, then some randon albs joined up them, and they kept dieing and dieing again. We asked are you going to pull bane? Elrich replied, we can't kill him ... <- that's when Elitrea and Me suicided on Bane (tried to get him to 10% so he would teleport to where the SS and other albs were).

So don't bullshit me and next time if you going to accuse us for something tell the truth and not a modified version.

Short version

3 people only not anon in sidi
we enter
1 sec after us 2fg ss enter
1fg random albs at entrance
we move on pull a few mobs
we pull lich
you guys leech from us (you actually interefered with us)
we move on, getting nowhere
we see dms from bane
we go bane, find out SS camping it , ss cant kill
we suicide on bane
end of story

the only one breaking any rules here was YOU pulling and attacking OUR pull.