Cleaning Sidi Even when it is Booked (petition)

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
RightNow is your friend.

Have you got a list of people who were with him? I'm sure the GMs of whichever guilds they are in would be interested

or in this special matter, RightNow is our friend, Fagane is bullshiting and the cutomer support will find out soon enough if they investigate.

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Fagane
Stop being this Ass Lomald you already did and got caught with it. Half your group did even go anon when they started to pull. The group was there already for 30 to 60min! And it was a 2e go by some kotl members who booked and did try it before.

Sad Git stop lying

Fagane

I did not interfer, I did not get caught with anything.
if you could tell your sad friends to turn off /anon common sense would say that sidi is raided when you type /who Sidi.

Not my problem if half my group went anon, i sure as hell didn't.

And fyi, who is the one lying? Me saying that i went there when /who sidi showed 3 people, or you claiming we interfered with your mobs ?

At least i won't call you a sad git no matter how much BS you allways seem to talk.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Fair enough, but what i said (if you again scroll up) i don't plan to interfere with other people allready in sidi .

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Teba asks me if i want to join sidi raid .. i ask when and where .. she says gwyntell now .. i do /who sidi .. i find 3 .. yes THREEE people in sidi, so yes i accepted it and off we went.

3 people already there.... how many people does there need to be before you won't go and interfere?

but I can see it's Teba at fault here rather than yourself, for arranging that raid. Hopefully someone will inform Teba of the booking sheet and we can have people doing raids at different times instead of on top of each other

 

[thorwyntf]

The booking sheet wasn´t designed to *cause* problems with claiming or pwning Sidi, it was designed to *avoid* problems with claiming Sidi. And by using the sheet, 99,9% of Albion was happy because they knew exacly when to plan their raids. They didn´t have to trust their luck planning a raid, announce it all over their alliance, make 30+ people plan their RL around that event, then log on just to find out that Sidi is already camped. That´s why the booking sheet is a good idea and NOT a rule that´s designed to oppress and control anybody. It´s a rule based upon common sense and decency. Just like people going through a door one by one and not all together because they have the right to "go through the door whenever I want, that´s what´s written in the laws."
The problem with people like Lomalin and Skile (member of the <Dragon Knight" collective ) is, that they´re constantly hiding behind their pseudo-communistic (or liberal.. whatever flavour fits you best) arguments. The rules and the CoC state that I can, so I do, try to stop me, you can´t, so there. And because it comes in handy, you´re also claiming to be the voice of the free people of Albion and defenders of liberalism. Wow.
But the truth is.. you actually don´t give a damn about your rights or the CoC or justice or morale. You´re doing this because it´s giving you the power to basically destroy a realmwide agreement between all guilds, because you can stand up and say "hey, look, I`m against this rule and because I am, YOU ALL will have to live with it". I think that´s pretty sad.

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
3 people already there.... how many people does there need to be before you won't go and interfere?

but I can see it's Teba at fault here rather than yourself, for arranging that raid. Hopefully someone will inform Teba of the booking sheet and we can have people doing raids at different times instead of on top of each other

When there is 1 paladin, 1 minstrel and 1 necromancer it sure as hell won't stop me from going there. And yes you are right, I wasn't the leader nor did I want to. Teba asked me, I joined after typing /who Sidi. And Teba was going all nuts in Group Chat becuase Teba said he/she/it had "booked" sidi (you know wehre i stand now).

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
And i have logs that shows the real truth, shall we take it from the beginnning?

Yes please do!

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Teba asks me if i want to join sidi raid .. i ask when and where .. she says gwyntell now .. i do /who sidi .. i find 3 .. yes THREEE people in sidi, so yes i accepted it and off we went.

To a place where already 1 group was pulling

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
We reached the entrance and then found 1, maybe 2 hard to tell .. FGS pulling there, slow as a snail but we cept moving ... by the time we entered 2FG SS also entered, Elrich led them btw.

1 group was already at that point inside Sidi for 60 min. So you talking BS, Also SS did enter 30 min AFTER you.

Elrich did offer his aplogise and did not start to pull the key-lord, ASq did not.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
We kept moving pulling mobs from a place you hadn't touched yet .. a.k.a we didn't interfere with you, nor kill stealt nor exp leech nor anything else against CoC.

You walked straight by the group pulling the adds from a key and pulled it straight infront of them. The adds are a part of the mob. So again you talking bullshit

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
If you or anyone else spoke with Teba then so be it as you didn't speak with me i really don't give a shit and i can't tell what Teba said or anything like that.

You got a few PMs also, but always did say, talk to Teba, she is leading this. So again bullshit.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
And about bane, it's pure bullshit whare you are typing. We went to bane, we saw 2FG SS trying to kill it , and they kept dieing over and over and over, then some randon albs joined up them, and they kept dieing and dieing again. We asked are you going to pull bane? Elrich replied, we can't kill him ... <- that's when Elitrea and Me suicided on Bane (tried to get him to 10% so he would teleport to where the SS and other albs were).

And again more bullshit, Eld did as far as I got the messages never agre on this and never did say this. bullshit again.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
So don't bullshit me and next time if you going to accuse us for something tell the truth and not a modified version.

Truth is you are a big fat lyer, full of bullshit who mob steals and destroys other peoples raids. That makes you the sadest prick around.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Short version

3 people only not anon in sidi
we enter
1 sec after us 2fg ss enter
1fg random albs at entrance
we move on pull a few mobs
we pull lich
you guys leech from us (you actually interefered with us)
we move on, getting nowhere
we see dms from bane
we go bane, find out SS camping it , ss cant kill
we suicide on bane
end of story

the only one breaking any rules here was YOU pulling and attacking OUR pull.

What are you trying to do Lomald? Even your GM does not agre with you. He did appoligise for his guild members behaivor, so YOUR behaivor.

Do you think these lies make anything good? Sad Git.

Fagane

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by thorwyntf
But the truth is.. you actually don´t give a damn about your rights or the CoC or justice or morale.

I'm an Assasin, I have no morale nor do I intend on getting any.

 

[Cap'n Sissyfoo]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
I'm an Assasin, I have no morale nor do I intend on getting any.

~rolls eyes~

If you go around telling people that, you probably won't be getting any.

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
When there is 1 paladin, 1 minstrel and 1 necromancer it sure as hell won't stop me from going there. And yes you are right, I wasn't the leader nor did I want to. Teba asked me, I joined after typing /who Sidi. And Teba was going all nuts in Group Chat becuase Teba said he/she/it had "booked" sidi (you know wehre i stand now).

Inside Sidi where (1 hour before you did enter)

3 Paladins
1 Cleric
1 Frair
1 Theurg
2 Armsman

That Teba did claim she booked, thats the same she did tell them 1 hour before she did enter. The PMs did start then.

We thought Maybe there is a double date picked? A mistake on the booking sheet, so they checked it again (several did) And it was clearly booked and not by ASq.

Only thing Teba then started to shout was she did not respect the Booking Sheet. And would come anyway.

Looks like a clear case to me.........

Fagane

 

[Flimgoblin]

I'll have a word with Bowen he's a nice fellow, hopefully he can knock some sense into Teba

 

[Fagane]

McFly got a PM on Sunday when this happend, he would handle it.

Bowen got talked to on Monday and promised to take care of this.

Guess what happend a few days later Thursday? ASq STRIKES AGAIN!!!!

no respect for ASq,

Fagane

 

[thorwyntf]

I'm an Assasin, I have no morale nor do I intend on getting any.

lol

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Fagane
To a place where already 1 group was pulling

To a place where only 3 people were not anon, your fault not mine. Again, you bullshiting. You're friends camped stairs at entrance, we moved on. Again, you bullshiting we didn't go to a pplace where 1 group was allready pulling.

Originally posted by Fagane
1 group was already at that point inside Sidi for 60 min. So you talking BS, Also SS did enter 30 min AFTER you.

Elrich did offer his aplogise and did not start to pull the key-lord, ASq did not.

3 people not anon, 5 anon grouped together at entrance, not from the spot where we pulled. SS entered on the EXACTLY same time as we moved on from entrance. Again, you are so incredible full of bullshit (and that can be shown in various other threads around BW as well).

Elrich might have appoligies, ASq / Teba might not. So ? I don't give a shit about you .. really, and i'm not sorry for that.

Originally posted by Fagane
You walked straight by the group pulling the adds from a key and pulled it straight infront of them. The adds are a part of the mob. So again you talking bullshit

We walked straight by the group yes, wow first time your facts are straight. We pulled mobs far from where your friends were camping. Those adds are not part of the mob unless the mob himself spawns new mobs all time (like the hib semi-bosses in RvR dungeon) or clones him self (like mages in summuners hall), so no ... they are not part of him. Again, you full of BS.

Originally posted by Fagane
You got a few PMs also, but always did say, talk to Teba, she is leading this. So again bullshit.

I got pms from Elrich and we argued about booking of a dungeon, someone from RoC asked me something, i refered to Teba. You didn't speak to me about anything that you are accusing me for. Again full of bullshit, Fagane been known for this, been seen too many times in variuos Sidi discussion threads.

Originally posted by Fagane
And again more bullshit, Eld did as far as I got the messages never agre on this and never did say this. bullshit again.

How is this all of a sudden my problem if he agreed to it or not? I asked a simple question "ar you pulling bane?" reply: "No we can't kill him." sorry Fagane, but i cba to correct you any longer this is leading nowhere. Next time get your facts straight before bullshiting and accusing me for things.

Originally posted by Fagane
Truth is you are a big fat lyer, full of bullshit who mob steals and destroys other peoples raids. That makes you the sadest prick around.

The truth is, and allways been, the only one mob stealing is YOUR FRIENDS. Shall we perhaps quote CoC to define mob stealing and make you just stfu and get a life and understand what mob stealing is?

Originally posted by Fagane
What are you trying to do Lomald? Even your GM does not agre with you. He did appoligise for his guild members behaivor, so YOUR behaivor.

Do you think these lies make anything good? Sad Git.

Fagane

1. Haven't spoke with GM nor have he spoken with me, maybe with Teba but not with me, and if he would I really woulnd't care the least. Sad that he have to say sorry for us when it's your friends that should say sorry for mob stealing.

2. You better ask yourself if your lies makes anything better, still after all your bullshit i won't call you a sad git.

 

[Cap'n Sissyfoo]

Originally posted by Fagane
McFly got a PM on Sunday when this happend, he would handle it.

Bowen got talked to on Monday and promised to take care of this.

Guess what happend a few days later Thursday? ASq STRIKES AGAIN!!!!

no respect for ASq,

Fagane

There are some nice guys'n'gals in ASq and Bowen is a good guy. Don't blame the guild for the actions of certain immature twats.

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Cap'n Sissyfoo
~rolls eyes~

If you go around telling people that, you probably won't be getting any.

I don't intend to.

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Fagane
Inside Sidi where (1 hour before you did enter)

3 Paladins
1 Cleric
1 Frair
1 Theurg
2 Armsman

That Teba did claim she booked, thats the same she did tell them 1 hour before she did enter. The PMs did start then.

We thought Maybe there is a double date picked? A mistake on the booking sheet, so they checked it again (several did) And it was clearly booked and not by ASq.

Only thing Teba then started to shout was she did not respect the Booking Sheet. And would come anyway.

Looks like a clear case to me.........

Fagane

When i checked, i have no time as in how mny horus or minutes before i actually reached sidi after teba asked me, there was only 3 non anon so i accepted and proceeded.it was around 22:30 CET though or close to.

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Cap'n Sissyfoo
There are some nice guys'n'gals in ASq and Bowen is a good guy. Don't blame the guild for the actions of certain immature twats.

Indeed, Bowen is great.

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by Cap'n Sissyfoo
There are some nice guys'n'gals in ASq and Bowen is a good guy. Don't blame the guild for the actions of certain immature twats.

A few rotten apples can destroy 1 basket,
but also you can have a rotten basket with a few good apples.

Does that change the basket becouse you have a few good apples?

Fagane

 

[bob007]

Not sure why ppl replying to this tbh, Not sure why i am. Maybe i should stop

The fact of the matter is this. If there is no list, You will have loads of guilds/alliances inside Caer Sidi every night no matter who was there first. Without this list, you will have no time to focus pull As ppl with any sense would w8 for you to pull last add, Then steal your Keylord ( i would in an instant). With this list and ppl respecting it, You get time in Caer Sidi to yourself and your guild/alliance/friends. You get complete freedom of the place and no worries about stepping on other ppl's raid.

The options are simple.

1, we carry on with the list, Ensuring that ppl have a smooth comfortable time in Caer Sidi, Free from kill stealing and focus groups. Or

2, We drop the list completely, Then its a total free for all , Were the Focus pulling brigade will not get a look in over then guild/alliance 3+fgs charging up and down the place.

Simple realy

 

[-ag-bometal]

Burn Sidi down

Caused so much havoc and only in alb...

Never heard in mid things like that about TG

Another sad story to add to the sidi book

:/

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by -ag-bometal
Never heard in mid things like that about TG

that's because TG's so full of focus pulling groups you can't move for them - there's never any monsters left for normal raids.

But Thorwyn has a point - if you want to be able to focus pull in sidi or run a small group you should probably try and encourage people working with the list. It's the little raids that lose out otherwise.

 

[bob007]

Originally posted by -ag-bometal
Burn Sidi down

Caused so much havoc and only in alb...

Never heard in mid things like that about TG

Another sad story to add to the sidi book

:/

No ?

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85198

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by bob007
No ?

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85198

Perfectly well, wish White Rose would been albion Guild, Really.

 

[xevius]

lol
Teba is a big fat COCK that needs to get her/his/shemale freak feet back on ground and stop acting like Al Capone........
end of story.

As for booking Sidi.
when guilds have booked it for regular hours, imho all should respect it.
But I dont think ppl should stay out of the dungeon 1 at night when half of europe are sleeping and there is just 1 grp camping inside.

and I DOUBT there is a 24 hour respawn timer on the mob so who ever that have booked sidi the day after get there mobs too.

although I find it STUPID that book a entire dungeon entitled to everyone and open for entire community I still think we should respect it but again...........stay out of the dungeon for sometimes entire week............I dont think so.

 

[Fagane]

Sidi is on an 8 hour respan timer from the moment the first key mob is killed. Some groups need 1 hour from entering Sidi to reach the first key mob.

So a Raid that starts at 20:00 CET, so the first key mob should be killed before 11:00 CET, or you ruin the Raid for somebody else.

Focus Pull groups should respect this, and also kill the first key mob when they start to pull there, or you will find an empty dungeon.

Fagane

 

[catalina]

It would be really nice if folks would respect the booking sheet, and i'm sure many do.

On the other hand the elitist drop whores don't give a flying fuck about other ppl, only themselves. As soon as focus pulling is nerfed we'll see a few changes :great:

 

[flue]

respect the booking sheet damit you selfish drop whore im teh uber bitch wankers

all this crap you lot have posted is all crap excuses to try cover up the fact that your so drop greedy and want the uber shit before anyone else you will lie cheet cause trouble ect ect to get it GROW UP

greedy bastards !!!!!

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by fed007
happened to kotl last week
some ppl stole mobs(we think) therefore none for us...
heard it was SS anon in Sidi but dunno...

KoTL raid was Sunday afternoon.

SS went there (I was in the group) from 11pm-3am Saturday night after repop from the Saturday raid. We were not anon either.

We went there again at around the same time Sunday night _after_ the KoTL raid, but did not stay very long (explanations below).

As a matter of course, our groups check the booking sheet religiously before going to Sidi and won't go if there's one clashing (and we check through all the posts in the thread in case the top post wasn't editted as well as doing various /who sidi checks for a couple of hours before).

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
If you are refering to Teba, Elitrea and me and 1 or more cleric, that was us .. be we didn't interfere with you. SS with Elrich leading took a few keymobs and Bane we really didn't kill anything.

Edit: As most of you were anon we couldn't predict there was around 4FG allready there.

I think every word in this is incorrect.

Firstly, the raid you are talking about was Sunday night which can't interfere with a raid which went on during the afternoon before.

The SS group with Elrich organising killed a grand total of 0 mobs (0 keymobs, 0 trash mobs) on that raid.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Ps2 - I only stand for what i said and did, I know SS had problems with Teba that evening though...but in the other hand SS was there withoug booking as I Ds2

Yes, Teba was having a bitch-fest before going and most of the time during. But why should a SS group book a raid? You book a raid if you have one planned and don't want anyone to spoil it. Ours was a spur-of-the-moment raid and we made sure we did not clash with one already booked.

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Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
And i have logs that shows the real truth, shall we take it from the beginnning?

Sorry, but almost everything you say below is incorrect...

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Teba asks me if i want to join sidi raid .. i ask when and where .. she says gwyntell now .. i do /who sidi .. i find 3 .. yes THREEE people in sidi, so yes i accepted it and off we went.

We reached the entrance and then found 1, maybe 2 hard to tell .. FGS pulling there, slow as a snail but we cept moving ... by the time we entered 2FG SS also entered, Elrich led them btw.

Your group and SS were meeting at Gwyntell at roughly the same time. Once Teba found out we were both going he starts a manic bitch-fest in PMs and across /as claiming he is god, he has booked it on the BW sheet, he has sole rights to Sidi at this time, and if anyone from SS goes to Sidi now they are devilspawn "DON'T YOU KNOW!!! WHO I AM?!!?!!!". (None of it true, of course, there was not a single post from ASq about a raid on Sunday. The only one was for Saturday.

So, your bitch-led raid sets off about 10 minutes before ours to try and lay claim to everything inside.

We also had checked who was there, and also accepted that there was around 1fg of RoC already in there, pulling as a tank-group. We were not planning on taking any mobs they wanted, as there are multiple places to pull from normally.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
We kept moving pulling mobs from a place you hadn't touched yet .. a.k.a we didn't interfere with you, nor kill stealt nor exp leech nor anything else against CoC.

Well you got there before us, charged past the mobs RoC were killing, and went to kill the Crypt Lord (RoC were clearing the spawn before the lord). Pulled him, killed him, and let drops decay on the ground (just what I heard as we weren't inside yet).

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
And about bane, it's pure bullshit whare you are typing. We went to bane, we saw 2FG SS trying to kill it , and they kept dieing over and over and over, then some randon albs joined up them, and they kept dieing and dieing again. We asked are you going to pull bane? Elrich replied, we can't kill him ... <- that's when Elitrea and Me suicided on Bane (tried to get him to 10% so he would teleport to where the SS and other albs were).

The SS group was 4 people playing 6 characters, not 2FG. Bane was the only mob we attacked in the whole dungeon. We left your group killing blobs by Silencer's door, we left RoC killing some deadeyes by Sanguis' door. Bane is possible with this group, but it's down to pure dumn luck where he ports to, and if he ports back. So after a few unlucky attempts where he didn't port back and we didn't reach him in time, we asked the RoC tank group to assist with the final kill after he ported.

It didn't go well, and RoC were wiped. As we were rezzing, you charged up to him as the last RoC died and focus pulled him from 25% screaming "HEAL MY PET AND WE SPLIT THE DROPS". We were busy rezzing and low power so can't heal your pet, so you die and release, and go off to lotto your drops (was the dye a nice colour, btw?)

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
So don't bullshit me and next time if you going to accuse us for something tell the truth and not a modified version.

Short version

3 people only not anon in sidi
we enter

There were more than that, RoC weren't anon, and they were there before you. The 3 people you refer to were Lizia and others who I found out afterwards were there for a second attempt after they found no mobs earlier in the afternoon.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
1 sec after us 2fg ss enter

Was at least 15 minutes between you entering and us.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
1fg random albs at entrance

That was RoC who entered maybe 10 minutes before you, as we were on the way from Gwyntell.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
we move on pull a few mobs
we pull lich
you guys leech from us (you actually interefered with us)
we move on, getting nowhere

I have no real idea on this as we weren't inside yet.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
we see dms from bane
we go bane, find out SS camping it , ss cant kill
we suicide on bane
end of story

See above.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
the only one breaking any rules here was YOU pulling and attacking OUR pull.

Actually you tried to kill-steal Bane, but more than that, you (and/or Teba) were generally rude, unpleasant and couldn't give a shit about anyone else.

Originally posted by Flimgoblin
Hopefully someone will inform Teba of the booking sheet and we can have people doing raids at different times instead of on top of each other

Teba knows full-well about the booking sheet, except he won't respect anything on it, but claims that he has booked on it (when he hasn't) and expects anyone else to respect that. And I would not be the slightest bit surprised to find out that he took a raid in there on Sunday morning before the KoTL raid aswell.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
3 people not anon, 5 anon grouped together at entrance, not from the spot where we pulled. SS entered on the EXACTLY same time as we moved on from entrance. Again, you are so incredible full of bullshit (and that can be shown in various other threads around BW as well).

Elrich might have appoligies, ASq / Teba might not. So ? I don't give a shit about you .. really, and i'm not sorry for that.

Already said above, we entered quite a while after you did. You had already barged past RoC and killed the keymob before we entered. We left your killing some blobs and moved past RoC. Both Elrich and myself spoke with members of RoC saying we'll try not to interfere with what they are doing and I also asked if they'd already been around clearing the mobs as the dungeon was almost completely empty. They said they hadn't, there just hadn't been a full repop yet (and keymob 1 was bugged in a wall, so couldn't do very much anyway).

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
I got pms from Elrich and we argued about booking of a dungeon, someone from RoC asked me something, i refered to Teba. You didn't speak to me about anything that you are accusing me for. Again full of bullshit, Fagane been known for this, been seen too many times in variuos Sidi discussion threads.

Neither group had booked it. Our group were perfectly willing to accept that others were there, and had no intention of barging in and spoiling their raid. You charged in like you owned every mob in the place and had no respect for anyone else.

And although most of what I see Fagane post on here I usually disagree with, she is correct in most of this (except the timescales are a little exaggerated imo).

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
How is this all of a sudden my problem if he agreed to it or not? I asked a simple question "ar you pulling bane?" reply: "No we can't kill him." sorry Fagane, but i cba to correct you any longer this is leading nowhere. Next time get your facts straight before bullshiting and accusing me for things.

Actually, we could kill him, but the porting is just down to luck, and we were getting ready for another attempt when you jumped in on us again to try to steal it.

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
2. You better ask yourself if your lies makes anything better, still after all your bullshit i won't call you a sad git.

Well, I will call you a sad git.

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As for the booking sheet, SS will continue to respect it, will not start a raid there less than 10 hours before one that is already booked, will not start a raid there if there has been a larger raid before us until several hours afterwards (to avoid our own disappointment), and will do our best to not interfere with non-booked raids that happen to clash.

 

[Belomar]

Amen.

Also, bear in mind that kill stealing is a suspendable offense.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by Pin

As for the booking sheet, SS will continue to respect it, will not start a raid there less than 10 hours before one that is already booked, will not start a raid there if there has been a larger raid before us until several hours afterwards (to avoid our own disappointment), and will do our best to not interfere with non-booked raids that happen to clash.

thanks

Pin showing exactly how it should work - and even if more than one small group should go to Sidi at the same time (unbooked - spur of the moment etc.) there's room for cooperation.