News Clarkson suspended

[Bodhi]

Coloured is, but he didn't say that, people of colour is the correct term.

No it isn't. The correct term is "people".

 

[Scouse]

No it isn't. The correct term is "people".

Are you determined to just post random stuff that's not on topic?

I agree with your sentiment, but again, that's not what was being discussed.

 

[Bodhi]

Are you determined to just post random stuff that's not on topic?

I agree with your sentiment, but again, that's not what was being discussed.

Are you determined to review everyone's posting style the second they commit anything to this forum? As if that's the case, this place is going to get awfully quiet awfully quickly. Especially on a thread that already jumped the shark as soon as the handwringing started up.

 

[DaGaffer]

No it isn't. The correct term is "people".

In the context of a story that's talking about specific ethnic groups? Very helpful.

 

[Bodhi]

In the context of a story that's talking about specific ethnic groups? Very helpful.

And of course, highlighting various different ethnic groups, is massively helpful in its own right.

 

[Scouse]

And of course, highlighting various different ethnic groups, is massively helpful in its own right.

It can be, especially if they're hard done by.

Does it make you uncomfortable when that's pointed out? I'm struggling to see why you would rather that it wasn't talked about...

 

[DaGaffer]

And of course, highlighting various different ethnic groups, is massively helpful in its own right.

Don't be an arse. How do you have a conversation about the ethnic mix on a tv show in racially divided country without having a way to describe the different groups?

 

[Bodhi]

Don't be an arse. How do you have a conversation about the ethnic mix on a tv show in racially divided country without having a way to describe the different groups?

Well tbh, it's not typically a conversation I would have, I'd be too busy being entertained for an hour rather than finding something to get offended about - there are plenty of Guardian readers (and, as it turns out, handwringers on here) to get offended for me.

But if we must go there, then no, I'm not a huge fan of any sort of description of ethnic groups - mainly as giving them a specific name just highlights that they're different. And especially seeing as, we all know that "People of Colour" is probably acceptable now, but give it 3 years and that will be offensive again.

 

[Bodhi]

It can be, especially if they're hard done by.

Does it make you uncomfortable when that's pointed out? I'm struggling to see why you would rather that it wasn't talked about...

Not in the slightest, I'd rather just not treat them as a separate group tbh.

 

[Scouse]

Disingenuous.

 

[DaGaffer]

Well tbh, it's not typically a conversation I would have, I'd be too busy being entertained for an hour rather than finding something to get offended about - there are plenty of Guardian readers (and, as it turns out, handwringers on here) to get offended for me.

But if we must go there, then no, I'm not a huge fan of any sort of description of ethnic groups - mainly as giving them a specific name just highlights that they're different. And especially seeing as, we all know that "People of Colour" is probably acceptable now, but give it 3 years and that will be offensive again.

Nonetheless it was a conversation that was being had, so needed descriptors. In addition, while I certainly commented on the ethnic mix of the audience, I have not indicated that I was offended by it. I was certainly a bit surprised, given a. Clarkson's bosses are American and most of the show's audience will be American, and b. Clarkson himself probably doesn't need any shit from the SJWs given past indiscretions. It just struck me as a fairly obvious, fairly easily avoided, potential own goal.

As for the rest; moaning about political correctness not being necessary or appropriate blah blah, is, in my view, exactly the same as all the special snowflakes banging on about safe spaces and no platforming. Everyone wants to have the right to say what they like without any opposing views, both left and right. Everyone, everywhere, has turned into a self-absorbed, self-entitled cunt in 2016. The asteroid can't come fast enough.

 

[Scouse]

special snowflakes

Just sayin'


*Disclaimer: I've not actually read the article. I just saw it as I scrolled by...

 

[DaGaffer]

Just sayin'


*Disclaimer: I've not actually read the article. I just saw it as I scrolled by...

I've already read it, and found it nearly as annoying as that wanker going on about how the alt-right rotted his brain and turned him into Alf Garnett. Fucking idiot.

 

[Bodhi]

Nonetheless it was a conversation that was being had, so needed descriptors. In addition, while I certainly commented on the ethnic mix of the audience, I have not indicated that I was offended by it. I was certainly a bit surprised, given a. Clarkson's bosses are American and most of the show's audience will be American, and b. Clarkson himself probably doesn't need any shit from the SJWs given past indiscretions. It just struck me as a fairly obvious, fairly easily avoided, potential own goal.

As for the rest; moaning about political correctness not being necessary or appropriate blah blah, is, in my view, exactly the same as all the special snowflakes banging on about safe spaces and no platforming. Everyone wants to have the right to say what they like without any opposing views, both left and right. Everyone, everywhere, has turned into a self-absorbed, self-entitled cunt in 2016. The asteroid can't come fast enough.

It was a ridiculous conversation to be had imo, hence it was treated with the respect it deserved.

And not sure what brought on the rant in the second part of your post, I was just pointing out one of the joys of PC Double Speak is the definition of what is and isn't acceptable is fairly fluid, and pointing out how ridiculous the rest of us find it all. I mean there was an entire Series of South Park dedicated to how ridiculous it all is, so I suspect I'm not alone.

However if someone wants to be a Safe Spacing Special Snowflake then I have no issue with that. I will, however, reserve the right to take the piss out of them for it.

 

[Gwadien]

Nonetheless it was a conversation that was being had, so needed descriptors. In addition, while I certainly commented on the ethnic mix of the audience, I have not indicated that I was offended by it. I was certainly a bit surprised, given a. Clarkson's bosses are American and most of the show's audience will be American, and b. Clarkson himself probably doesn't need any shit from the SJWs given past indiscretions. It just struck me as a fairly obvious, fairly easily avoided, potential own goal.

This.

I wasn't offended by it either to be honest, I just notice things and think 'How could this be avoided?'

I just thought it was pretty poor taste especially with taking the piss out of Zuma, why didn't they take the piss out of Trump whilst they were in the US?

You might find it hilarious @Bodhi but the reality is that South Africa is struggling with their racial divides, and it's not seeing any end any time soon, and as a result absolute crackpots such as Zuma are being elected, and this kinda shit doesn't help. You're not a black South African, I'm fairly certain there's a few people out there that watched that episode, saw a bunch of white people laughing at a black President and thought 'well fuck me, I thought we'd got past this, but evidently not.'

Sure, South Park can take the piss all they want, because that's what it's created for, they don't pick on particular groups, they pick on everybody.

As I said before, I'm fairly certain if we had an episode in Birmingham and it was full of Muslims and Black people, people would raise an issue there about 'over political correctness' or some shit.

 

[Moriath]

To bring this back on topic maybe. Http://www.drivetribe.com just launched

 

[Scouse]

What @Gwadien said. Exactly.

Drivetribe's interesting @Moriath but I think occasionally watching GT or TG will OD me on cars

 

[Bodhi]

This.

I wasn't offended by it either to be honest, I just notice things and think 'How could this be avoided?'

I just thought it was pretty poor taste especially with taking the piss out of Zuma, why didn't they take the piss out of Trump whilst they were in the US?

You might find it hilarious @Bodhi but the reality is that South Africa is struggling with their racial divides, and it's not seeing any end any time soon, and as a result absolute crackpots such as Zuma are being elected, and this kinda shit doesn't help. You're not a black South African, I'm fairly certain there's a few people out there that watched that episode, saw a bunch of white people laughing at a black President and thought 'well fuck me, I thought we'd got past this, but evidently not.'

Sure, South Park can take the piss all they want, because that's what it's created for, they don't pick on particular groups, they pick on everybody.

As I said before, I'm fairly certain if we had an episode in Birmingham and it was full of Muslims and Black people, people would raise an issue there about 'over political correctness' or some shit.

I'm guessing they didn't take the piss out of Trump in the US as he hadn't been elected when they shot the episode in California? They were filming in Nashville last week, so may be some comments then.

However taking the piss out of Zuma is in bad taste? Au contraire mon ami, taking the piss out of Zuma is obligatory givien what an absolute lunatic he is. He's pretty much about to get ousted by his own party, has built himself a lovely grand palace whilst most of South Africa starves, and is on a mission to turn South Africa into Zimbabwe. Don't think I've met a Saffer yet who has any time for him whatsoever.

So in case it wasn't clear, they weren't taking the piss because he was black, they were taking the piss because he is a prize helmet. Trying to find injustice where there is none is just as unhelpful as the Daily Fail's rhetoric.

 

[Job]

I would say that Clarksons TV persona of a posh ukipper is the creation of people pissed off with endless handwringing about something the minorities don't give a shit about.
They are too busy hating each other.

 

[caLLous]

So in case it wasn't clear, they weren't taking the piss because he was black, they were taking the piss because he is a prize helmet.

Once again, he didn't say that they were.

 

[Bodhi]

Once again, he didn't say that they were.

If someone suggests that it's in poor taste to mock Zuma when talking about racial inequality in South Africa, that is pretty much exactly what they are saying.

 

[caLLous]

No it's not. He didn't say that's what they set out to do just that that's how it might have been perceived by some.

 

[DaGaffer]

I would say that Clarksons TV persona of a posh ukipper is the creation of people pissed off with endless handwringing about something the minorities don't give a shit about.
They are too busy hating each other.

Clarkson isn't a kipper, and has publicly said he voted remain. Even his "TV persona" was obviously Europhile and just because he made WWII jokes never made him a little Englander; he's just as likely to take the piss out out of Walsall as Warsaw.

 

[Scouse]

However taking the piss out of Zuma is in bad taste?.

Again, not what he's saying. Zuma is clearly fair game.

I doubt he'll go hard on Trump btw - the right wing make up his core audience. Maybe something about him being orange, or his hair, or a light-hearted ribbing about him being 'grabby' - rather than a sexual predator or anything like that.

 

[Gwadien]

If someone suggests that it's in poor taste to mock Zuma when talking about racial inequality in South Africa, that is pretty much exactly what they are saying.

Callous is correct. It doesn't matter what the intent was. It's about the perception.

It's like me ripping into Israel and then the Jewish community locking horns because im being anti semitic, even though I am not.

 

[Job]

I said his TV persona...which is a mix of his real personality mixed with 'one of the lads', let's have a go at lefties andPC.

 

[Job]

Honestly anti semitic..that phrase is just bullshit, word snobbery.
An attempt to give the dislike of Jewish culture some entrenched, biblical status.

 

[Anastasia]

Can we have a new thread about Clarkson / The Grand Tour please? This one is wank.

 

[Moriath]

Or can you create a thread about racism in tv

 

[DaGaffer]

To bring this back on topic maybe. Welcome to DRIVETRIBE | DRIVETRIBE just launched

Have you signed up for it? I've given it a go but I'm struggling to see what its for or how it really works. They've not exactly gone for an intuitive UX. Only allowing login via FB is a bit lame as well. Even if you're only going to do social sign on, at least add G+ and Twitter, its not hard.