Champion Issues

[yadleen]

Anyone here have any comments about this post ?

http://www.hallofvalor.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=220&forum=14&25

 

[AbPoon]

Mainly because you have nuke's to interupt at a distance and debuff's to root caster's and a snare, pure melee get piss all at range apart from a very poor fired or thrown weapon that needs to be changed to then fired (Around 3 second fire normally).

You can stop a healer casting mezz when your charging him (insta's aside) we cant thats why we are getting mezz proofed.

 

[yadleen]

Our debuffs don't root casters (and they don't interupt casters, only our DD does that) and our snare is broken once the target takes damage. I think the only thing I wonder is why we don't get cheap purge. People posting in the thread show theri concern how the gap between hybrids and pure melee is getting larger as we are kinda left in the middle. To an extent I do agree, just wondering what hyrids from other realms are thinking.

 

[kameh]

Giving pure melee classes cheap purge separates them from the hybrids, it doesnt nerf you its simply making them a itsy-bitsy-lurikeen-sized better.

 

[Qte Eth]

atm champ is better then hero in most cases -uber buff ,snare ,dd ,debuffs -he only lacks determination and is way more fun to play (lw champ that is) so pure melee get some loving, i think its mage time to whine, not champs

 

[old.Mitsu]

Str debuffing a caster usually makes him so encumbered that you have an unbreakable root.

 

[AbPoon]

That what i ment about being able to root casters ^^

there isnt many unbuffed mages with more then 73 str.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
atm champ is better then hero in most cases -uber buff ,snare ,dd ,debuffs -he only lacks determination and is way more fun to play (lw champ that is) so pure melee get some loving, i think its mage time to whine, not champs

Aye...at least from my experiance soloing champs (me unbuffed) is impossible, but a Hero on the other hand is possible. Champs are deathtraps to me, and IMO one of the best classes in the game.

I think that it was about time that pure Tanks got some loving. They are fun to play PvE...I love my little Kobold Warrior, but sadly for many, life after lvl 50 seems to be a bit gimped compared to other classes...

 

[AbPoon]

Ye champs are a really really tough fight, i'm sure you'll survive with expensive purge and ip still. Probley the weakest tank in a tank on tank fight is merc's and they are a pure tank.

GG Mythic on giving a class a 30 min timer ability that gets resisted half the time, can get purged and only affects 1 person, good thinking there

 

[Aussie-]

errrrrrrr, i think your anytime conbuff/debuffs, shouts and 9s stun >>>> less points for IP

 

[AbPoon]

Aussie has a point in his post for once in his life

 

[lofff]

who cares f they get slightly cheaper ras?

/pharm rps, get ras anyway.


ofc determination is cool but it doesnt affect melee stuns... i dont really care that much bout casteable mezz/stun/root having purge+curemezz ppl+1hundred albs to break it

 

[sigh]

I so know im going to die every time i come up against a champ, and i have a fairly well tweeked char=<

Phear champ's =>

Sighfi -AoD-

 

[dakeyras]

Champ = Mythic success story

Got it right..cocked it up..put it right again

That to me sums up the history of the Champion class. The Champ is one of the few classes that are 'fine'. Champs are the best of the hybrids and better than all pure tanks bar the hero.

Champs won't see any upturn until they are bottom of the pile..which will take some doing given the state of the other realms hybrids.

 

[old.Finster]

don t underestimate the merc. he s a very fine light tank, although not near as broken as a zerker.

Finster, <Nolby Pride>

 

[horsma]

Originally posted by dakeyras

Champs are the best of the hybrids and better than all pure tanks bar the hero.

Ill rather have my speed than those depuffs/puffs but i would say that both skalds and champs are good. Althou skalds have been nerfed a lot after 1.48 (thanks to purge, better parry / blockrate and resistances).
I myself dont need cheap ras, only that mythic replace skalds special ra with better one

 

[old.Wildfire]

< 89 unbuffed str

/flex

 

[AbPoon]

Originally posted by old.Finster
don t underestimate the merc. he s a very fine light tank, although not near as broken as a zerker.

Finster, <Nolby Pride>

K

 

[mastade]

Originally posted by Aussie-
errrrrrrr, i think your anytime conbuff/debuffs, shouts and 9s stun >>>> less points for IP

Originally posted by AbPoon
Aussie has a point in his post for once in his life

now tell me, what champs get 9 sec stun? ^^

 

[exe]

LW champs^^ Anni pwnz

 

[Arnor]

now tell me, what champs get 9 sec stun? ^^

Every single one of them that reaches 50 has the possibility to get it, and can use it VERY often

<waves a sign that says Annihilation>

 

[Qte Eth]

heros have same 9sec stun.lol

 

[belth]

Originally posted by dakeyras
Champs won't see any upturn until they are bottom of the pile..which will take some doing given the state of the other realms hybrids.

Especially Thanes... Rogue HP on a "tank", what's Mythic thinking? Oh well, SB can have 2k HP