Calais

[BloodOmen]

Just to put things into perspective, the number of potential immigrants at Calais is utterly dwarfed by the number taken in by other countries, such as Germany - which since the start of this year has seen 300,000 applications.

Neither of which have a tunnel clogged up, miles upon miles of angry holiday makers and truck drivers and delayed/cancelled trains due to it.

 

[BloodOmen]

As Raven said, it's one in a thousand.

They're getting frustrated, it's to be expected.

I've seen the French police treating them like absolute animals, but one copper gets hurt and there's uproar?

Are they not also human?

Of course they should be treated like humans, that's not what i'm saying. What I'm trying to say is they act like that now, what happens when they're here and they get frustrated again over something utterly trivial because they aren't used to our life styles/culture, is hurting British citizens acceptable? bigger picture at the end of the day. As harsh as it sounds they need to make an example of the violent ones, sends out a clear message that if you want to go to England, don't be a cunt while waiting for your chance to get there.

There is never an excuse for violence, never.

 

[Shagrat]

Just to put things into perspective, the number of potential immigrants at Calais is utterly dwarfed by the number taken in by other countries, such as Germany - which since the start of this year has seen 300,000 applications.

I've said it before, if you want to solve this issue then you do it by making it so these people don't feel the need to leave their homes. You do that through foreign policy.

what you mean bomb their infrastructure so they can't get anywhere near you, that's our foreign policy isn't it?

 

[Gwadien]

Of course they should be treated like humans, that's not what i'm saying. What I'm trying to say is they act like that now, what happens when they're here and they get frustrated again over something utterly trivial because they aren't used to our life styles/culture, is hurting British citizens acceptable? bigger picture at the end of the day. As harsh as it sounds they need to make an example of the violent ones, sends out a clear message that if you want to go to England, don't be a cunt while waiting for your chance to get there.

There is never an excuse for violence, never.

They're being treated like animals though.

Hence why they're getting frustrated.

Do you really seriously think that they're sitting in France thinking 'I can't wait to get to the UK and start stabbing people in the street'?

If they wanted to attack us, they would have got terrorist funding

 

[Shagrat]

it should never have got to a situation like this. how European governments haven't setup some sort of transit centre ( near points of arrival) I'll never understand, they should have seen this situation coming ages ago.

they all go initially to the centres to be interviewed etc. then each European country gets a % of legal migrants and the rest get packed off back where they came from. simples.

 

[Job]

Only 2% of migrants are trying to enter the UK, this is a mahoosive problem and our small groups tearing down a few fenced is beyond trivial...the EU must.be like..oh fuk off.

 

[Moriath]

Only 2% of migrants are trying to enter the UK, this is a mahoosive problem and our small groups tearing down a few fenced is beyond trivial...the EU must.be like..oh fuk off.

We are just lucky we have the channel so its harder. But they need to take those getting to italy in the boats and ship them back to camps set up in north africa paid for by europe.

Our country is a lot smaller than germany or france as well.

 

[Tom]

what you mean bomb their infrastructure so they can't get anywhere near you, that's our foreign policy isn't it?

No.

 

[old.Osy]

Bit of perspective.

1000 today, 2000 yesterday. Next thing you know, England will be black. Oh, wait.

What I don't get is - wtf are they finding so attractive? It's a pretty shit country, tbh. Health care, free, but fucking cock arse quality. Benefits? That's being tuned down. Pakistanis, Romanians and other sorts got the front seats, did nobody tell em it's shit now over there? Baffling.

 

[BloodOmen]

Bit of perspective.

1000 today, 2000 yesterday. Next thing you know, England will be black. Oh, wait.

What I don't get is - wtf are they finding so attractive? It's a pretty shit country, tbh. Health care, free, but fucking cock arse quality. Benefits? That's being tuned down. Pakistanis, Romanians and other sorts got the front seats, did nobody tell em it's shit now over there? Baffling.

Benefit system, England is the promised land to people that have nothing.

 

[old.Osy]

Benefit system, England is the promised land to people that have nothing.

But i thought Universal Credit is for british citizens? And the non-EU benefits are fucking shite: https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

That's like 160 quid a month, at most. Granted, that's more than they probably make in a quarter back home, but still.

 

[Raven]

Along with a house or somewhere to live (flat, bedsit etc)
Free health care
Free education for children between 5 and 17
The money is for those that don't work, most immigrants do work either off the books or minimum wage, doing the work our slackers are unwilling to do.

Its still by far and away better than what some of these people have at home.

Edit, as for what our slackers get.

Up to £500 a week if you have shat out a baby

I just did the income calc thing for a 2 bed house in my area, 1 person living there and it comes out at 11.2k a year 13.3k for a couple and 15k for a couple with 2 kids.

 

[Scouse]

They seem rather eager to pull the fences down by hand, time to install some electric fences I reckon. Also, police officer had his face slashed open while doing his job at Calais, by these "Peaceful" migrants that just want a "Peaceful" life. Dunno about you lot but if they're willing to commit violence just to get into the UK quite frankly I don't want them in the UK, what happens when they have a hissy fit when here? go on a rampage with a machete?

Or they're fleeing violence in their war-torn countries and are desparate?

I dunno about you, but sleeping rough on the coast of France ready to make a desparate and hugely dangerous attempt to get to a country that advertises itself as free and fair, and most importantly peaceful, doesn't sound like a fucking picnic.

But if your idea of "good times" is climbing a barbed wire fence before clinging to the bottom of a lorry in whatever weather whilst avoiding the po-po to come to a country full of people who haven't the slightest idea what you've been through or the conditions you lived in, and frankly don't care as because you might upset their rural idyll and would prefer you fucked off back to your warzone to die, then knock yourself out and give it a try?



Try to remember you're talking about humans, not vermin, eh?

 

[Moriath]

Conditions are much better than syria. And much of the world has english as a second language. Also ties between england and america. England is the golden goose in europe.

 

[Moriath]

Or they're fleeing violence in their war-torn countries and are desparate?

I dunno about you, but sleeping rough on the coast of France ready to make a desparate and hugely dangerous attempt to get to a country that advertises itself as free and fair, and most importantly peaceful, doesn't sound like a fucking picnic.

But if your idea of "good times" is climbing a barbed wire fence before clinging to the bottom of a lorry in whatever weather whilst avoiding the po-po to come to a country full of people who haven't the slightest idea what you've been through or the conditions you lived in, and frankly don't care as because you might upset their rural idyll and would prefer you fucked off back to your warzone to die, then knock yourself out and give it a try?



Try to remember you're talking about humans, not vermin, eh?

Tbh. Humans schumans. Dont mean more to me personally than cecil the lion did. Never met them no emotional connection.

But that applies to most of the 7bn people on this planet.

 

[Scouse]

Tbh. Humans schumans. Dont mean more to me personally than cecil the lion did. Never met them no emotional connection.

But that applies to most of the 7bn people on this planet.

Unsurprising post from the guy with aspergers.

How many more times are you going to tell us that you don't give a fuck about anything or anybody? It's almost like you're becoming a parody of yourself.

You could, you know, not post if you don't care?

 

[old.Osy]

He doesn't understand he could have been the lucky sperm in a saharan male, instead of some cunt in UK.

 

[BloodOmen]

Or they're fleeing violence in their war-torn countries and are desparate?

I dunno about you, but sleeping rough on the coast of France ready to make a desparate and hugely dangerous attempt to get to a country that advertises itself as free and fair, and most importantly peaceful, doesn't sound like a fucking picnic.

But if your idea of "good times" is climbing a barbed wire fence before clinging to the bottom of a lorry in whatever weather whilst avoiding the po-po to come to a country full of people who haven't the slightest idea what you've been through or the conditions you lived in, and frankly don't care as because you might upset their rural idyll and would prefer you fucked off back to your warzone to die, then knock yourself out and give it a try?



Try to remember you're talking about humans, not vermin, eh?

Feeling violence doesn't give them a right to commit violence.

 

[Scouse]

Feeling violence doesn't give them a right to commit violence.

The action of a single man doesn't give you the right to tar all migrants with the term "them".

It's man's propensity to dehumanise that lead perfectly respectable Germans to condone the mass gassing of disparate groups of people under the banner of "them".

Stop being moronic on immigration just because it's easier to think that way...

 

[BloodOmen]

The action of a single man doesn't give you the right to tar all migrants with the term "them".

It's man's propensity to dehumanise that lead perfectly respectable Germans to condone the mass gassing of disparate groups of people under the banner of "them".

Stop being moronic on immigration just because it's easier to think that way...

It's not the action of a single man though, read the news, they're throwing rocks and stones, attacking truck drivers with makeshift knives and threatening to kill holiday makers who try to keep them out of cars or from hiding in trailers. That is not the action of one man, its the action of many who clearly have a violent nature, such a nature that will just follow them here and inevitably someone here will end up the victim as a result of it.

 

[Moriath]

Unsurprising post from the guy with aspergers.

How many more times are you going to tell us that you don't give a fuck about anything or anybody? It's almost like you're becoming a parody of yourself.

You could, you know, not post if you don't care?

As said before its a discussion forum. Al, points are taking part. I know my weakness. Doesnt make my point less valid than anyone elses.

 

[Moriath]

He doesn't understand he could have been the lucky sperm in a saharan male, instead of some cunt in UK.

Yup and my view would be different. However its not and im not. I seek to preserve my comfortable way of life until i no longer understand it or die. After that, with no kids it really doesnt bother me what happens.

Doesnt make my point of view any less relevant as out of 7bn people i cant be the only one.

 

[Moriath]

The action of a single man doesn't give you the right to tar all migrants with the term "them".

It's man's propensity to dehumanise that lead perfectly respectable Germans to condone the mass gassing of disparate groups of people under the banner of "them".

Stop being moronic on immigration just because it's easier to think that way...

It is the animal way. Survival over the rest. What people cant see is that we are animals and given the right circumstances everyone will turn on anyone else to survive.

Civilistation is skin deep. Couple days without food or water your all like me.

I just get two days head start.

 

[DaGaffer]

Benefit system, England is the promised land to people that have nothing.

Bullshit. The only reason for choosing the UK over anywhere else in the EU is the black economy; its piss easy to get a job because background checks are non-existant. It is NOT benefits, which are terrible in the UK compared to France or Gemany or even Ireland,

 

[BloodOmen]

Bullshit. The only reason for choosing the UK over anywhere else in the EU is the black economy; its piss easy to get a job because background checks are non-existant. It is NOT benefits, which are terrible in the UK compared to France or Gemany or even Ireland,

And you can guarantee that?

 

[Raven]

Machine gun nests on our side of the tunnel imo!

 

[Scouse]

Doesnt make my point less valid than anyone elses.

No, it doesn't.

However - it self-evidently makes them less well-informed as you struggle to incorporate information into your decision making process that other humans take for granted.

Not being nasty or flippant about this - but your opinions on the matter can be discounted out of hand in the same way that a creationists way of viewing the world can - apart from the fact that creationists are around in sufficient numbers to make their opinions dangerous.

OFC you should contribute on these discussions but to constantly contribute "I don't care" - when we know you don't (because you can't) - is becoming toht-like counterproductive to the discussion.

We know you don't care. Why not leave this one to people who do m8?

 

[Scouse]

nature

Nurture.

 

[Gwadien]

And you can guarantee that?

Ofc he can't, hence why it's a black market.

If you want to see migrants not on the benefit system go down to any agency office they're all eastern European only a very small minority sit on benefits, some Eastern European people work 6 days a week 12 hours a day, I'd argue that's slightly more than benefits.

Issue is you can't see the non EU immigrants because agencies won't touch them for legal reasons

 

[DaGaffer]

And you can guarantee that?

A cursory inspection of the benefits regime across the EU will tell you that. The most generous welfare state in the EU is actually where they're sat, France. For the record, the UK is now about 15th in welfare spending as a percentage of GDP in the EU.

As Tom has already pointed out; most migrants aren't headed for the UK, they're trying to get into Germany (and the Nordics). The ones trying to get to the UK are often coming because they already know people here who can get them work. And of course the Calais situation makes everything look worse than it actually is because it's a choke point; migrants are passing into Germany all over the place.