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Think so 
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stroopwafel
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I was there with my 41 Pally
and had to tank sadly enough 2 shredders while the third shredder went for our pbaoe wizzie.So the BD was hopping around raping poor Spathi with lifetap while the other pallys in the group did something god knows what, but they didnt land a slam on the BD or clear the shredder aggro.
The BD was just lucky most of our group were getting beaten by shredders, even a lvl40 caveshammy could finish us off easily.
It was just a bad moment
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I would like to say that I have never felt motivated enough to complain about a certain class before. I am motivated now because I feel that Bonedancers are actually in danger of ruining the game.
Unlike other mages that can deal out damage but can't take many hits, a Bonedancer can do both.
Let's assume what Lanfaer says is true (I agree that ae mezzing would seem to be the best way to beat one). Look at the bother that anyone has to go through to kill a Bonedancer compared to any other class!!
Can you name any other mage class that can survive a stealther attack?
Is there another class that if you come across, relies on your group being able to cast an ae mezz on it to be able to kill it on a reasonable timescale?
I believe the answer to both these questions to be 'no'.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking that one Bonedancer is the equivalent of several players of any other classes. Doesn't the fact that you really have to cast an ae-mezz on one support this assertion?
This isn't whining, it's simple application of logic. The combination of a 4 sec recast insta lifetap, pets that can do the equivalent of insta heals and a pet that can attack you in melee is simply too powerful.
Kherny - please let me know which classes can beat a Bonedancer 1v1, because I want to start one.
Reinnon/Nonnier - if you go for the commander, the other pets heal the commander while the Bonedancer nukes you. Assuming it works, you have to kill twice just to kill one Bonedancer?
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Unlike other mages that can deal out damage but can't take many hits, a Bonedancer can do both.
Let's assume what Lanfaer says is true (I agree that ae mezzing would seem to be the best way to beat one). Look at the bother that anyone has to go through to kill a Bonedancer compared to any other class!!
Can you name any other mage class that can survive a stealther attack?
Is there another class that if you come across, relies on your group being able to cast an ae mezz on it to be able to kill it on a reasonable timescale?
I believe the answer to both these questions to be 'no'.
I don't think I'm alone in thinking that one Bonedancer is the equivalent of several players of any other classes. Doesn't the fact that you really have to cast an ae-mezz on one support this assertion?
This isn't whining, it's simple application of logic. The combination of a 4 sec recast insta lifetap, pets that can do the equivalent of insta heals and a pet that can attack you in melee is simply too powerful.
Kherny - please let me know which classes can beat a Bonedancer 1v1, because I want to start one.
Reinnon/Nonnier - if you go for the commander, the other pets heal the commander while the Bonedancer nukes you. Assuming it works, you have to kill twice just to kill one Bonedancer?
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old.Morchaoron
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So the pets ARE unmezzable? I never even noticed... the BD's die too fast
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Jaem
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Just a question...
I've not played or dueled one, but do the healing pets get interupted if hit?
if so, why not just get a few casters to AE the BD?
I've not played or dueled one, but do the healing pets get interupted if hit?
if so, why not just get a few casters to AE the BD?
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Sharma
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Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Bonedancers=A class that was suppose to be made for hib?
nice analogy
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old.SadonTheGrey
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I killed one solo once!
Oh yeah, I was hiding behind a tree and managed to connect with both bolts and a DD, but that's besides the pointuke:
Oh yeah, I was hiding behind a tree and managed to connect with both bolts and a DD, but that's besides the point
uke:
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Cavex ElSaviour
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^^
(sorry couldn't resist gelid)
(sorry couldn't resist gelid)
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Cavex ElSaviour
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beeing more on topic. Bonedancers are killable with 2 armsman whacking on them. It only takes a full endurence bar, but the ones that keep whacking will finaly win.
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6 paladins and no faith heal?
Besides bonedancers aren't that uber, the fact that they are still casters should say enough, 1 slam should make ehm quite dead eventually, scouts can have an easy kill on ehm aswell. AoE DoT solves the problem aswell, or AoE con/str debuff from sorc. Having a healing cleric helps aswell with BoF and body resist group buff. Oh btw paladins should have some sort of body resist chant, right? Stop whining and start killing ffs, bunch o'bloody noobs
However 2 "fixes" should be in place. Lifetap casting timer to 1.5/2 sec or recast to 6 secs and to fix mezz/stun on their pets.
Casters killing tanks in close combat is wrong
Besides bonedancers aren't that uber, the fact that they are still casters should say enough, 1 slam should make ehm quite dead eventually, scouts can have an easy kill on ehm aswell. AoE DoT solves the problem aswell, or AoE con/str debuff from sorc. Having a healing cleric helps aswell with BoF and body resist group buff. Oh btw paladins should have some sort of body resist chant, right? Stop whining and start killing ffs, bunch o'bloody noobs
However 2 "fixes" should be in place. Lifetap casting timer to 1.5/2 sec or recast to 6 secs and to fix mezz/stun on their pets.
Casters killing tanks in close combat is wrong
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hrodelbert
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armsmen...
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mid-sinister
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Nevermind
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I think the point is it shouldn't take a few casters to stand a chance of dropping a BD. It should be at least slightly possible to solo him with most classes if not all. As it stands its incredibly hard to solo a BD with whatever class including a class designed to kill casters
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stop whining and moaning "oohh i feel bonedancers are gonna spoil the game" "i feel so motivted to complain" you sound like a girl, kill the commander, everyone should know by now attacking the bonedancer is pointless you gotta take out his commander.
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bigchief
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necros
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hrodelbert
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bah i thought it was an entertaining commentry of the events
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hrodelbert
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why did you delete it?
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Mandorr
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forgive me for being dumb but if his pest were under attack mezz just aint gonna do squat cos thats just gonna break mezz?
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Nightchill
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no, they can cast whilst being hit, and whilst running around following the BD.
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Nightchill
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who also gets healed by uninterruptable healing pets?
I did warn Caelallaigach (sp) not to post anything sensible on the BW forums :/
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old.SadonTheGrey
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/slap Cavex
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Cavex ElSaviour
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wub you too gelid
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granny
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Plenty of classes have only one or a few viable specs. Necro's are a good example - don't know about the hib/mid SI classes but they all strike me as having been incompletely tested before release.
The few times I've come across BD's solo they've pwned me, no fucking about. I had a barney with one in DF with my reaver a while ago and had no chance - I went straight for Commander Bond (copyright. Roo Stercogburn), slam, smack smack, insta-healed, lifetapped, nuked, /release. I dunno, seems to me maybe we juts haven't got the tactics needed down pat, but none of the fights I've ever had with them have even been close and if a solo BD can take out a FG.. well.... nerf tbh.
The few times I've come across BD's solo they've pwned me, no fucking about. I had a barney with one in DF with my reaver a while ago and had no chance - I went straight for Commander Bond (copyright. Roo Stercogburn), slam, smack smack, insta-healed, lifetapped, nuked, /release. I dunno, seems to me maybe we juts haven't got the tactics needed down pat, but none of the fights I've ever had with them have even been close and if a solo BD can take out a FG.. well.... nerf tbh.
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Hrod I decided best not to give any hints of my playstyle whatsoever, so I removed it.
I know this is off topic, but what really annoys me is people saying "bd are useless in group rvr".
Its total bullshit and they know it
Our guild reguarly builds groups with 1-3 bonedancers (always the same 3 of us too) and it rocks to be honest.
I know this is off topic, but what really annoys me is people saying "bd are useless in group rvr".
Its total bullshit and they know it
Our guild reguarly builds groups with 1-3 bonedancers (always the same 3 of us too) and it rocks to be honest.
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Sharma
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well having three next to unkillable guys would
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Id like to point out that the Bonedancers played in our guild Ashleigh,Sinisters,Solaris, are all very very decent players and by all means not newbies at all, theres me too,but im sorta new to rvr having just returned to the game, i was mm the 3rd runemaster to 50 on the server (i think) and know my pve inside out and being teamed with the likes of sin and solaris i cant go wrong.
If we played any classes and grouped together you albs would taste it hard. BD is the same as any classes .. unbuffed is easy to kill. Buffed is a killing machine.
Any nerf to BD would destroy the class.
If we played any classes and grouped together you albs would taste it hard. BD is the same as any classes .. unbuffed is easy to kill. Buffed is a killing machine.
Any nerf to BD would destroy the class.
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i love the way you admit you are a killing machine then quickly say "Any nerf would destroy the class." - and its currently not destroying RvR ?? certainly seems like it is for me.
RvR-wise this is a typical day of mine
1) Mindless albs go to emain, spend 20 minutes getting a vaguely balanced group together, run around from milegate to milegate, maybe kill a couple of lone kobbies. A fg hibs pelts in a speed 6, i see em coming but before my ae mez goes off, we are all insta mezzed/amnesia spammed/nearsighted even tho i am usually on the battlements. BaoD goes off, druid just MoC spread heals... = 1-2fg of us stunned/nuked/dead. Alternatively we can join the zerg, which gets split up and slaughtered seperately, or occasionally kills something.
2) We come back, and a full group of warders / other generic short middies pelt at us a speed 6 between apk and amg - insta mez, SMs go in, dead.
3) Decide to go to Odins, run around for a bit and suddenly either 2fg mids roll over us, 1fg the same hibs that killed us in emain roll over us with BaoD again and we die...
4) DF just opened, lets go there and try to kill and some mids. Oh 1 bonedancer has killed everyone. What fun
RvR-wise this is a typical day of mine
1) Mindless albs go to emain, spend 20 minutes getting a vaguely balanced group together, run around from milegate to milegate, maybe kill a couple of lone kobbies. A fg hibs pelts in a speed 6, i see em coming but before my ae mez goes off, we are all insta mezzed/amnesia spammed/nearsighted even tho i am usually on the battlements. BaoD goes off, druid just MoC spread heals... = 1-2fg of us stunned/nuked/dead. Alternatively we can join the zerg, which gets split up and slaughtered seperately, or occasionally kills something.
2) We come back, and a full group of warders / other generic short middies pelt at us a speed 6 between apk and amg - insta mez, SMs go in, dead.
3) Decide to go to Odins, run around for a bit and suddenly either 2fg mids roll over us, 1fg the same hibs that killed us in emain roll over us with BaoD again and we die...
4) DF just opened, lets go there and try to kill and some mids. Oh 1 bonedancer has killed everyone. What fun
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snoz
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I said killing machine with buffs ... most class's are .. i mean look at rambo ..
call that skill ? /taunt
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Balbor
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Bonedancers, like the other new SI players are overpowered for the simple resion that they wanted people to buy the SI and the best way to do that was to add new classes that are better than the old ones.
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Anyone just tried to aoe the fuck out of em ??? If the pet's have to heal the bd , the commander and themself.. I guesses that would be a lil to much for them...