TV BNP to appear on Question Time

[Tom]

They are in the same boat as the socialist party, green peace, etc..

Yep, becoming more popular as the traditional parties fail to hold relevance for the people they've left behind.

 

[Thadius]

BBC NEWS | Politics | BNP debate 'illegal', warns Hain

Seems as if Labour is moaning because the BNP have taken votes in their "heartlands".

 

[Tom]

Peter Hain is a hypocrite. Perhaps he'd like us to forget about this:

FactCheck: Is Hain's 'think tank' for real? - Channel 4 News

 

[ECA]

How is having some random person on Question Time illegal? I swear I've seen random tv celebs on there...

Seems like bullshit to me.

 

[Furr]

Ah but you forget left wing types are much more prone to not engaging with people that they don't agree with! By actively trying to shut down any debate with these groups the only result is that by not discussing the arguments being raised by people like the BNP is that they get to define the narrative.
It's the reason why at some point everyone that left wingers don't agree or take issue with gets called a racist, fascist, anti-Semite, (the last one being kettle+black as left wingers I've found to be horrendous anti-Semites),

Just means that groups with extreme or unpalatable ideas get to keep on plying their wares in the safe knowledge that their views will not be subject to any real, sustained and thoughtful analysis.

Plus by insulting and trying to label groups you tend to have people in communities who are the target of groups like the BNP and who have sympathy for what is being said also feeling that they are being indirectly attacked, which only further drives more support to these groups.

Or in other words left wing "progressive" socialist types are stupid twats.

 

[nath]

Ah but you forget left wing types are much more prone to not engaging with people that they don't agree with! By actively trying to shut down any debate with these groups the only result is that by not discussing the arguments being raised by people like the BNP is that they get to define the narrative.
It's the reason why at some point everyone that left wingers don't agree or take issue with gets called a racist, fascist, anti-Semite, (the last one being kettle+black as left wingers I've found to be horrendous anti-Semites),

Just means that groups with extreme or unpalatable ideas get to keep on plying their wares in the safe knowledge that their views will not be subject to any real, sustained and thoughtful analysis.

Plus by insulting and trying to label groups you tend to have people in communities who are the target of groups like the BNP and who have sympathy for what is being said also feeling that they are being indirectly attacked, which only further drives more support to these groups.

Or in other words left wing "progressive" socialist types are stupid twats.

:bazbeer:
Swwwwwweeping generalisations! Yay!
:bazbeer:

 

[rynnor]

It seemed a stupid idea of Hain to try to ban them - I think hes reacting rather than thinking.

If he had been sucessfull it would have given them a load more free publicity and have virtually shoved people in their laps if they see those who they feel represent them sidelined.

Luckily the Beeb ignored him.

 

[Furr]

:bazbeer:
Swwwwwweeping generalisations! Yay!
:bazbeer:

Damn Socialist

//I think everything to do with the left is wrong and thus tend to always generalise to save time picking on specific groups and factions (because I hate them all, especially climate change terrorists)

 

[Chilly]

This is tonight, there's already almost a riot outside TV centre in shep bush.

 

[rynnor]

This is tonight, there's already almost a riot outside TV centre in shep bush.

Its 50:50 whether this actually goes ahead tbh - I expect if it does the audience will be pretty disruptive too.

The left are pretty anti-BNP - just because they'd be first against the wall if they got in

 

[nath]

Those protesters are such morons, what they're doing is utterly counter-productive.

 

[rynnor]

Those protesters are such morons, what they're doing is utterly counter-productive.

Yep - give em enough rope and they'll hang themselves but if supressed they will acquire a glamour they otherwise lack.

 

[Debaser]

The left are pretty anti-BNP - just because they'd be first against the wall if they got in

I'm not sure they'll be the exact first...

 

[rynnor]

I'm not sure they'll be the exact first...

I was just thinking of the rise of hitler - the first people he killed were the communists and the socialists.

 

[Chilly]

yeah but griffin will kill the forners.

 

[Tom]

I was just thinking of the rise of hitler - the first people he killed were the communists and the socialists.

Would he be killing himself then?

 

[Debaser]

Yeah, the bnp are on the far left with their economic policy, doing away with the socialists would just make them self-loathers, or something.

I found this an interesting read:

Complete list of BNP councillors

 

[rynnor]

Yeah, the bnp are on the far left with their economic policy, doing away with the socialists would just make them self-loathers, or something.

I found this an interesting read:

Complete list of BNP councillors

Lol - to be fair thats not a very balanced view of them on that link - theres plenty of mainstream councillors who fail to turn up to council meetings too

 

[Tom]

Anyway, I don't know what the fuss is about. Griffin has already been on QT. Check it out, 25:20

BBC iPlayer - Question Time: 08/10/2009

 

[rynnor]

Just watched preliminary excerpts from the program - looks like a scripted attack on him rather than an episode of question time.

Lots of the crowd being allowed to rant at him without asking a question in a way that would not have been allowed for anyone else on the panel.

 

[nath]

Hmm, hope it's not all like that.

 

[Tom]

Just watched preliminary excerpts from the program - looks like a scripted attack on him rather than an episode of question time.

Lots of the crowd being allowed to rant at him without asking a question in a way that would not have been allowed for anyone else on the panel.

Excerpts that may not be in the edited programme, as with any other episode of QT.

 

[rynnor]

Excerpts that may not be in the edited programme, as with any other episode of QT.

I bet they are tho

 

[00dave]

popcorn at the ready

 

[rynnor]

Jack Straws waffling - how was the Nazi's set up as a racist party - that sounds like crap to me - why did they let him do a prepared speech?

The Nazis rose up on a Nationalist party on the basis of the strictures of the First world war settlement.

How is that black bloke allowed to rant?

 

[mooSe_]

I wish the audience would stop clapping and cheering for so long after everyone says something

 

[nath]

I actually cringed a bit when they read the quotes back to Griffin.

 

[rynnor]

Is this whole thing scripted? Wheres Question Time gone?

 

[nath]

Jeremy Kyle will be taking over shortly.

 

[throdgrain]

God almighty. I quite admire the bloke for going on there.