Best Archer?

[knighthood]

first off can i just say, lets change the name of scouts to ARCHERS or LONGBOWMEN plz mythic since they do bugger all scouting thanks to assassins NF especially..

Anyway onto the subject at hand lol..

In your oppinion, which realm has the best Bow Class.. Im trying a ranger atm and ive had a scout b4, and a lowbie hunter, admitedly none of them to 50 so i wont comment on that as such but i look at it this way..

Scout - Furthest range/High dmg bow - Slam
Hunter - Pet/Self Buffs <or was it pet buffs cant remeber> high dmg melee wep
Ranger - Self Buffs <which so far proving to be nice> and a haste buff

Now im not sure what diff in RA's are for these guys so youll have to fill me in on that aspect but through looking at it, hunters SEEM to come out on top tbh, mainly cos of the pet for interupts, though ranger got the spd buff, but im sure that breaks if your hit, and as for slam, nice when you face a tank but vs a evader like ns or sb ? and u dont get it till 42 which makes soloing <Something all the Bow classes have to put up with a lot> a pain in the ass.

Just rather here from the Bow classes really , like loxely and fatbelly , peole who played them for a loooong time.

Flame away boys

 

[Turamber]

I hugely enjoyed playing my ranger, both levelling and in RvR. But, to be completely honest, the self buff's don't really cut it in the stealther war ... the main use is to speed buff away!

In NF scout > all as range is so important, but that doesn't mean you can't have fun with your ranger - particularly if you get into melee range with a scout.

 

[Jaem-]

Scouts for best defence and bow.
Rangers for melee and/or good bow.
Hunters for melee and/or average bow.

Scouts have very high defences, with spec shield, spec af, and nf, higher abs, as well as being able to shoot the longest range, and generaly hit harder then other 2 archers with the usualy higher bow spec, but will hit like a fly in melee.

Rangers are pretty balanced imo, can be good with bow and/or melee, self buffs can be handy for those without a bot, their being able to duel weild nerfs many other classes defences.

Hunters spear can hit almost same as their bow dmg, tho lack defences, selfbuffs, same as ranger, nice nice for whose without a bot. The pet is pretty handy for kiting with, as well as making it easier to hit with their 2hd weapon(counting as another attacker) and as an interupt tool.

My views on the 3 classes

 

[Oro]

No idea where you get this idea they don't actually scout. Maybe you just do the wrong kind of RvR

I hate RVR'ing and doing sieges without proper info flowing and both Scouts and Infs have been doing a lot of this when I've been out.

I know this is going to sound silly coming from someone who plays Alb now but I'd like to see more Scouts and Infs attending sieges as they have a crucial role to play. At least in the style of Siege RvR that I like to do anyway.

 

[Aussie]

ranger pre NF
scout post NF

 

[Loxleyhood]

Good times are here again!

 

[Marczje]

and hunters have a sore arse after being fucked over and over by mythic

 

[Aussie]

you mean : boostpatch after boostpatch ?

 

[Ormorof]

and hunters have a sore arse after being fucked over and over by mythic

hunters arent THAT bad

they work ok solo at higher rr and tbh they work better in duo's/trio's than rangers do, only scouts have an advantage over that due to slam/guard but then they dont get doggys

 

[Marczje]

you mean : boostpatch after boostpatch ?

The boostpatches are SO usefull indeed mistar, call of the hounds etc

 

[Loxleyhood]

Scouts got lubbin' in 1.61.... it was wonderful....

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

and hunters have a sore arse after being fucked over and over by mythic

ill give you my shield spec if i can have your melee dmge

imo tho rangers are best bow class. they have marginally less dmge than scouts. and by far superior melee... rangers will whinge about shield spec. but shield SUCKS vs dw. my scout has 50shield atm and rangers or any other dw class get past my shield as if it wasnt even equiped (401 dex with shield out) . my melee is UBER tho . not!!! i hit like a wet rez sick fish. even when i went 50thrust spec i think the hardest i hit somebody was 270'ish.

where as when i get hit by hunter. it aint unussual for me to get hit for 400+ and thats with maxed melee resists. and hunters bow dmge aint so crap as they make out (refers everybody to rvr section to see the hunter dmge's in "nerf pics" thread)

both ranger and scout get some sort of speed boost to escape an attack or to escape after a kill (amount of times ive died cos couldnt escape fast enough is untrue) whereas if a scout had some sorta speed buff im sure we could escape more often as hunters/rangers do.

as for range many whine about scouts extra range... but cmon how often does a bow class actually take the time to move back and forth to get max range? if a target is stupid enough to stand still for that long he is either afk or dumb as fuck and deserves to die. hence IMO the range isnt much of an issue. (apart from stand offs at keeps/mg's)

also hunter/rangers can negate there enhance specline to enable them to spec higher in melee/bow. where as a scout has to choose between high melee... or high sheild. or a mediocre mix of both.they only need to spec high enough for the speed shout imo ,


dont get me wrong i aint saying scouts suck. but imo hunter+ranger >> scout. thats based on all factors as "I" see them. and not just one particuler aspect. main reason is i dont think the bow dmge between the 3 are as varied as there melee dmge.

 

[Marczje]

hunters get decent/good at ap3/ip/purge with a good sc set and ml8sojo

 

[Driwen]

ill give you my shield spec if i can have your melee dmge

imo tho rangers are best bow class. they have marginally less dmge than scouts. and by far superior melee... rangers will whinge about shield spec. but shield SUCKS vs dw. my scout has 50shield atm and rangers or any other dw class get past my shield as if it wasnt even equiped (401 dex with shield out) . my melee is UBER tho . not!!! i hit like a wet rez sick fish. even when i went 50thrust spec i think the hardest i hit somebody was 270'ish.

dont forget that DW also halves evade, which is the defence of the assassins:/

where as when i get hit by hunter. it aint unussual for me to get hit for 400+ and thats with maxed melee resists. and hunters bow dmge aint so crap as they make out (refers everybody to rvr section to see the hunter dmge's in "nerf pics" thread)

its 5.3 spd bow vs 5.7 or 5.8 of rangers and scout. So they do 9% less damage per hit, but can hit faster. However the thing is that it probably is better to hit for more per hit and your volley(and crits) hits harder.
[quoteboth ranger and scout get some sort of speed boost to escape an attack or to escape after a kill (amount of times ive died cos couldnt escape fast enough is untrue) whereas if a scout had some sorta speed buff im sure we could escape more often as hunters/rangers do.[/quote]for hunters it is hard to use though, your pet cant be hit nor hit anyone or it drops. You cant have a dot on you nor get hit yourself. It is however useful and is nice for catching up with fleeing enemies.

as for range many whine about scouts extra range... but cmon how often does a bow class actually take the time to move back and forth to get max range? if a target is stupid enough to stand still for that long he is either afk or dumb as fuck and deserves to die. hence IMO the range isnt such of an issue. (apart from stand offs at keeps/mg's)

thing is NF is keep fights so the range is important.

also hunter/rangers can negate there enhance specline to enable them to spec higher in melee/bow. where as a scout has to choose between high melee... or high sheild. or a mediocre mix of both.they only need to spec high enough for the speed shout imo ,

actually you can spec stealth to 30+bc to 30+ and bow and spear to 40+. And hunters need the pet as it is their only advantage, the melee damage is less than that of rangers (not including pet) and the pet allows for kitting/making sure stealthers cant restealth(except with NF's vanish).

Scouts do have a problem as slam and shieldspec isnt that useful versus dw'ing high evade people, but speed buff, a pet, slow spear, less defence and faster bow isnt much better. However with NF shield spec will probably be nice as there will be more archers shooting and longer range will be good aswell for keep fights.

 

[gohan]

Scouts shield ftw tbh, i dont even need to engage an hunters/rangers can hit my with there bow.... its great they waste TS keep shooting me i block so dont get un stealthed then i TS a pwn then yaaaay for shield ........... tho they usally run after i block 4-5 shoots but anyway thats my imput MoB 2 \o/

 

[censi]

all scouts and hunters are chicken shits that just run.

If they dont run they get pwned.

In terms of slinging arrows they all more or less the same.

Rangers are more confident in their melee ability and see the bow as the primary attack platform and melee as the secondary and balance their spec accordinly.

Scouts and most hunters see bow as they primary and melee as a last resort.

Scouts have the luxoury of an anytimer to set up the deadly FZ. In most 1V1 cases if a slam lands its an I win button unless the opponent purges they are going get CS'd and FZ to death.

They have actually got the balance of the 3 archers classes pretty damn good really. take your pick.

NF though scouts will be the best RP earners mainly cuz of keep sniping and Slam FZing.

 

[Ormorof]

They have actually got the balance of the 3 archers classes pretty damn good really. take your pick.

yep archer "balance" seems ok(ish ) but it all falls down when it comes to archer vs assasin since you need to be like rr6 to win a fight vs one, but then again, as you said as hunter my melee is last resort

 

[Dorin]

think powerslave 3 shoted my mates mincer when i was playing it, hunters spear dmg is kinda nice if the hits land :>

 

[Ormorof]

think powerslave 3 shoted my mates mincer when i was playing it, hunters spear dmg is kinda nice if the hits land :>

yeah but slow oh so slow

ie if you miss you usually have to wait aaages before hitting again

gifv ability to use shields (not asking for shield spec just let us use them dammit! )

 

[Loxleyhood]

all scouts and hunters are chicken shits that just run.

If they dont run they get pwned.

In terms of slinging arrows they all more or less the same.

Rangers are more confident in their melee ability and see the bow as the primary attack platform and melee as the secondary and balance their spec accordinly.

Scouts and most hunters see bow as they primary and melee as a last resort.

Scouts have the luxoury of an anytimer to set up the deadly FZ. In most 1V1 cases if a slam lands its an I win button unless the opponent purges they are going get CS'd and FZ to death.

They have actually got the balance of the 3 archers classes pretty damn good really. take your pick.

NF though scouts will be the best RP earners mainly cuz of keep sniping and Slam FZing.

Personally I don't trust slam to land. Just go straight for the FZ. You're pretty one sided and have little knowledge of Scouts except from your own perspective.

 

[censi]

Yer slam chews ends and is prone to missing, but its still damn good because if it does land your opponent is dead.

your a bit partial to the odd flee tactics to if I remeber correctly lox