BDers r totally overpwred!

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by kaod
You kind of prove my argument that people who don't really know too much about the class just scream nerf LT, nerf heals without understanding what a BD actually is.

How many casters across all 3 realms can and are supposed to be able to tank against a higher con mob like a Suppression BD can?

You cannot tank a higher con mob.. You do shit for damage with your unspecced staff without styles.. You only nuke (insta and/or cast) and let the pets heal you and the insta-lifetap heal you.

due to that you get aggro (like any other caster who would do that solo) and because you get aggro you might as well swing your unspecced staff because you cannot cast any longer, only use shouts.

THIS is why the dmg v power output of a BD is so poor - because it's a hybrid.

NO IT IS NOT A HYBRID !!! You're swinging your staff BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE ONCE YOU GET AGGRO. You might as well swing it to get some more dps in it while healing yourselves with insta-LT.

A hybrid does NOT have to access to weapon styles (you could perhaps argue that the commander does have styles so that's the hybrid-tank element, the rear ones easily used when the BD.... tanks.) and I'm not even sure exactly what the other element of the hybrid nature of the BD is tbh, but it was never designed to be a pure caster.

It was (and is) a pure caster just with a completely stupid insta-LT.

Like I said before though, I really couldn't care about this argument now, I like playing my BD at the moment, I know it will get ruined eventually like many other classes in the game simply because too many people bitch without understanding strengths and weaknesses of classes they haven't really played.

You do realize that if you take off the insta-LT and give you a castable DD your performance in GROUPS would be MUCH better as it is now?

At the moment you can happily 'instanuke for teh win' red-cons probably in PvE. Wow. Great.

But as a result you can use that insta-LT also in RvR and be an insult to every other clothcaster tbh. Especially since the range of your insta is EXACT the same as my castable DD.

And btw - if 1 v 1 doesn't ever really happen - and the BD owns all with that 1 button 1 v1 - why is there an argument?

Gosh I couldn't care less if you owned me 1-on-1. Point is that it would be MUCH better to change the BD because then he would not be overpowered 1-on-1 AND would perform much better in groups.

If you keep hanging on to ' we need bigger range otherwise we cannot win' or ' we need insta otherwise we cannot win' you might end up loosing the argument in the end getting NERFED into a way you don't like.

I merely suggest a way to FIX the BD, making them better in groups.

I am not out here to scream nerf nerf nerf! for every class owning my friar or theurgist or druid. I honestly don't care. But wouldn't it be fun if Mythic said: "Hey, that would actually be a nice change and not ruin the BD' instead:

* Bonedancers are hugely overpowered, we changed insta lifetap to 30 seconds recast, range 500.

That would break the class. My suggestions don't break it.

 

[vintervargen]

nerf nerf nerf NERF

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by zlair
plz dont make me cry, arnor, plz, pretty plz...

<Wonders why Arnor said that - the zerker Arnor>

yeah, being a zerker from release and never having taken advantage of the low quick crappy coding really makes me a fotmer doesnt it?

fuck off lill retard, go pretend your a "true infil"

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by kaod
THIS is why the dmg v power output of a BD is so poor - because it's a hybrid.

hahaha, this is funny

 

[cougar-]

so bds and thanes are more simular then we knew?

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by cougar-
so bds and thanes are more simular then we knew?

Both gimps who can't get RvR groups?

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Pin
Both gimps who can't get RvR groups?

both are hybrids (if we trust kaod). gimp is more true however

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by Arnor



hahaha, this is funny

It's an ignorant remark from someone playing a BD and don't want to loose his INSTA LT FOR TEH WIN !!!!

It's pretty bad people don't wanna listen to actual suggestion to the bonedancer-class which would make them much better and it would avoid the nerfbat hitting on them anytime (soon).

You should see the amount of Bonedancers in BG1, it's a zerg sometimes :/

Guess it makes them feel uber when they get jumped by a solo sorc who does NOTHING wrong and still looses while he had the initial mezz and every advantage.

I cannot beat a bonedancer with my Thidranki sorc. I tried a few times, futile. I just cannot manage to do enough damage to the BD uninterrupted. I could kill skalds, SB's, NS's, bards, heroes, valewalkers, almost everything if I got the jump on them. You can forget about bonedancers, impossible. And you cannot kite them easily because the range on their insta is as big as your dmgspells range are, so you cannot get away from them (they just sprint like you and kill you in 4 nukes lol)

That I AM UBAH experience they get in Thidranki they dont wanna loose so all changes to the BD-class must be avoided. Even if it means in the end the destruction of the class (knowing Mythic they will probably swing way too hard on the BD).

 

[Arnor]

and I cant beat a reaver with my rm, your point being?


bd's are hybrids *chuckle*

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
You cannot tank a higher con mob.. You do shit for damage with your unspecced staff without styles.. You only nuke (insta and/or cast) and let the pets heal you and the insta-lifetap heal you.

Yes you can I've done it. I don't tank it alone, sure, the commander is there and I get heals from my pets.

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
You do realize that if you take off the insta-LT and give you a castable DD your performance in GROUPS would be MUCH better as it is now?[/B]

You show nothing to prove this though. I simply said in another post, sure drop the insta, make it castable, but the BD needs something else.
You said make is castable we would be better in groups, that's doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Gosh I couldn't care less if you owned me 1-on-1. Point is that it would be MUCH better to change the BD because then he would not be overpowered 1-on-1 AND would perform much better in groups.[/B]

You've missed the point.

1 v 1 rarely happens right? BD ARE great 1 v 1 - wtih LT.
Yet, if it rarely happens, and BD are so useless to groups, why would anyone complain about it?

People are obviously not all coming from the same position here - some feel LT is overpowered in group combat situations also, else they'd never need to scream nerf.

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
It's an ignorant remark from someone playing a BD and don't want to loose his INSTA LT FOR TEH WIN !!!!

It's pretty bad people don't wanna listen to actual suggestion to the bonedancer-class which would make them much better and it would avoid the nerfbat hitting on them anytime (soon).

In all seriousness, although I agree with you - BD need more groupability and lose that 1 v 1 element what anyone says here means jack anyhow.
If I don't listen to you, or I do, Mythic will still do with BD LT whatever they like.

Thats why I feel it's a pointless argument to have.

And BG1 as an example of BD power? I mean...really?

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Belomar
Seriously, what are you smoking? Bonedancers are not hybrids!

Drinking not smoking.

Originally posted by Belomar
You even start from the Mystic base class, the official caster base class of Midgard.
What will it take for you to admit you were wrong? A personal mail from Sanya?[/B]

Hmmm ok, I'll await Sanyas mail.

Originally posted by Belomar
That's right, you are not sure, you ignorant fool, and still you vehemently claim it is a hybrid?

From Mythic's official description of Bonedancers (http://www.camelotherald.com/characters/bonedancer.php):
Satisfied? [/B]

They just won't admit it because then every realm will want one.

 

[cougar-]

just admit you are wrong and go back to drinking, best for us all!

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by kaod
You mean if it's castable?

A BD would at the very least need something over 1500 range as compensation else it just gets picked off.

A lot of pet classes have nothing above 1500 range, why would a BD need something like that? At this moment a BD just got an insta-win button. Time for a nice NERF.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by kaod
Yes you can I've done it. I don't tank it alone, sure, the commander is there and I get heals from my pets.

So you tell me you pull a redcon inquisitor in DF, not pressing the insta-LT and you 'tank' it down without using LT and just let pets heal you?

For how much do these pets heal even? Because I think that's rather sick: A pet who can keep a caster alive with a red-con whacking up him.

If you use insta-LT: That is actually around 80-90% of your damage, Staff is less then 10%. You proved point then: Your staff is useless, it's the insta-LT doing all the work.

You show nothing to prove this though. I simply said in another post, sure drop the insta, make it castable, but the BD needs something else.
You said make is castable we would be better in groups, that's doesn't make sense.

Give them a castable DD slightly higher delved then LT or a castable LT delved at same LT as a mage or something. Would improve overall dps alot and not insulting other casters.

Why not? Making it castable and with dex-buffs etc makes you able to cast it as fast as any other caster which is lower time then 4 seconds.. IMproving your dps.

People are obviously not all coming from the same position here - some feel LT is overpowered in group combat situations also, else they'd never need to scream nerf. [/B]

Nah, surely they can interrupt a few, but just stun/mezz the BD (someone in your group who can do that) and kill it later or something. Or whatever.

BD in real RvR hardly overpowered, but nobody meets them in Real-Rvr because they're gimped currently in RvR-groups (all casters are mostly)

 

[soullessminion]

Re: Re: Re: BDers r totally overpwred!

Originally posted by zlair
I dont have to "elaborate". Its a fact! But since u ask they need that insta to be castable, so they have to use some skillz actually. Healer pets need to be fixed so they cant heal when being hit. BDer need to loose end somehow, so he cant run away from u if u by any chance have the luck to kill his commander.

Bd does loose end for casting btw

 

[onionknight]

http://www.camelolherald.com/more/985.html

"Q: Sometimes when I'm running around on my Savage in Emain, I die.

A: We’re definitely aware of the bug, and we are working on fixing it. Meanwhile, we do have a policy. From our in game support supervisor: "If we can prove that you are playing a buffed Savage and died to another player we will do our best to recover any loss in reputation." So if you are a Savage and somehow die in combat, just let us know. "

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by onionknight
http://www.camelolherald.com/more/985.html

"Q: Sometimes when I'm running around on my Savage in Emain, I die.

A: We’re definitely aware of the bug, and we are working on fixing it. Meanwhile, we do have a policy. From our in game support supervisor: "If we can prove that you are playing a buffed Savage and died to another player we will do our best to recover any loss in reputation." So if you are a Savage and somehow die in combat, just let us know. "

lol, it happend to me once, didnt know it was bug!

 

[onionknight]

haven't sent an email to mythic yet letting em know?

 

[zlair]

Re: Re: Re: Re: BDers r totally overpwred!

Originally posted by soullessminion
Bd does loose end for casting btw

well, i dont know... never seen a BD cast anything at all... didnt even knew they had spells!

its all insta4tehwin

 

[onionknight]

yuo r eleet

 

[Grandpeck]

So wtf is a bd suppost to do when being attacked by 2-3 ppl ? Hmm cast lifetap thats what and hope that healer pets actually heal u,as most of the time they bug out and just stand there doing nothing.

As i said be4 lifetap is the only real thing that can keep a bd alive in rvr,u HAVE to get relatively close to use the bloody thing and if u cant stop 1 bd from killing u go fo and find some different tactics ffs.Belomar wtf u r screaming about just makes me laugh u have a cabbie dont u ? Lifetap is shit damage as are ba spec dots if u are agaisnt a decent rvr team be it albs or hibs u gonna be being chased by 1-2 tanks how are u suppost to do anything like cast a dot or a dd when u cant as u being attacked,the lifetap is the only thing u can use,get a clue how to kill bd otherwise if u cant solo one FO and dont attack one jesus u ppl are sometimes stupid.I can only suggest that u learn to attack the proper targets be4 u come bitch here about being overpowered etc,

Try the bloody class on one of the other servers be4 u moan about them all the freckin time,they have only abs spell for groups and do pretty crap damage output unless u have mom or wp. Powerdrain is massive and pets are bugged to hell, caster pets are useless as high reesists etc for ppl, and archer pets ROFL dont make e laugh they are pathetic. We spec supp as its the logical thing to spec in as it give lifetap and healer pets and the only thing we can use for a group abs spell.

Flame etc but mythic are happy with bd and i dont think the lifetap will ever become castable.

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by Grandpeck
So wtf is a bd suppost to do when being attacked by 2-3 ppl ?

This says exactly enough. The fact you even think you can win from 2-3 people. The fact you even consider the posibility you can survive/win an encounter with 2-3 people attacking you.

NERF BIG TIME

Fagane

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by Fagane
This says exactly enough. The fact you even think you can win from 2-3 people. The fact you even consider the posibility you can survive/win an encounter with 2-3 people attacking you.

NERF BIG TIME

Fagane

well he can lifetap them and be healer meanwhile and enjoy the show

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Grandpeck
So wtf is a bd suppost to do when being attacked by 2-3 ppl ? Hmm cast lifetap thats what and hope that healer pets actually heal u,as most of the time they bug out and just stand there doing nothing.

As i said be4 lifetap is the only real thing that can keep a bd alive in rvr,u HAVE to get relatively close to use the bloody thing and if u cant stop 1 bd from killing u go fo and find some different tactics ffs.Belomar wtf u r screaming about just makes me laugh u have a cabbie dont u ? Lifetap is shit damage as are ba spec dots if u are agaisnt a decent rvr team be it albs or hibs u gonna be being chased by 1-2 tanks how are u suppost to do anything like cast a dot or a dd when u cant as u being attacked,the lifetap is the only thing u can use,get a clue how to kill bd otherwise if u cant solo one FO and dont attack one jesus u ppl are sometimes stupid.I can only suggest that u learn to attack the proper targets be4 u come bitch here about being overpowered etc,

erm
what the fuck do you think the rest of us casters do in rvr?
go play a normal cloth caster and then u'll realise how fucking insane the above post is.

 

[Grandpeck]

Well i cant see why u are all bitching
and saying nerf for 1 spell that if u lucky will do 180 damage to your opponent every 4 secs,if u cant kill a bd in a group with 7 other ppl and you have a fg u doing summit wrong ffs.

 

[Grandpeck]

Originally Posted by Amadon

erm
what the fuck do you think the rest of us casters do in rvr?
go play a normal cloth caster and then u'll realise how fucking insane the above post is.

So how do u compare a enchater to a bd ?
U have healer pet/stun/caster, speed song, pbaoe,stun etc

Bd has healer pet and insta lifetap, 60% pow dots compared to mentalist is it ? and abs spell,overlapping darknuke with the insta is how we get more damage at times but with resists high its sometimes just a waste of pow.

When was the last time u ever knew a single bd wipe out an entire group in 2-3 casts of chanter pbaoe ?

If u playing in a group then all the peeps in it should know what to do and how to manage a bd,they are i suppose a melee caster so dont be so surprized if we live longer than other casters class our damage output is low and meant to be used to piss off your healers or your cc classes.Look dont get me wrong bd are powerful solo,but how often does that happen,most of the time its ppls stupididy that messes them up.

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by Grandpeck
As i said be4 lifetap is the only real thing that can keep a bd alive in rvr,u HAVE to get relatively close to use the bloody thing and if u cant stop 1 bd from killing u go fo and find some different tactics ffs.

"Relatively close?" Again, all ranged damage in this game except bolts (and Ichor, ffs!) is 1500 range, just like your lifetap. Get a clue and come back when you've realized that if an enemy caster is close enough to be able to damage you, you are close enough to him to be able to perma-interrupt him with your leet lifetap.

Belomar wtf u r screaming about just makes me laugh u have a cabbie dont u ? Lifetap is shit damage as are ba spec dots if u are agaisnt a decent rvr team be it albs or hibs u gonna be being chased by 1-2 tanks how are u suppost to do anything like cast a dot or a dd when u cant as u being attacked,the lifetap is the only thing u can use

Like I said, I didn't want any unibrow types to reply to my post, but I guess that was asking for too much. So, braino, what do you suppose other casters do when they are being chased by tanks? That's right, all we can do is insta debuff and run. You do have quickcast, don't you? Then use it to root people hitting on you, that's the only thing other casters can do.

get a clue how to kill bd otherwise if u cant solo one FO and dont attack one jesus u ppl are sometimes stupid.I can only suggest that u learn to attack the proper targets be4 u come bitch here about being overpowered etc,

I do have a clue how to kill BDs -- in fact, Cabalists are one of the classes which can kill BDs reasonably easy (might be modified now that there is nearsight immunity). I met two level 50 BDs in HW a month or so back and killed them both, I bet you were one of them (you seem very bitter).