BDers r totally overpwred!

[Pin]

Re: Re: Re: BDers r totally overpwred!

Originally posted by piggeman
The debuff in darkness spec is body, not cold...

Yeah, I know that, just stupid Catacombs has it listed wrong (and I knew that too), so I deleted my idiotic post



Anyways, lifetap should probably be casted, and other lines should probably be improved and the class might be better off in RvR. But casters generally suck in group RvR atm anyway.


Still, BDs don't need much nerf

 

[zoia]

thats right, when you lose - come back with an overpowered class !

I was running around Odin's and saw mostly duos or trios.
Me and Ghazkull decided to team up, then we ran into Meduza with 1, even 2 a couple of times, minstrels.

If i loose a solo fight i don't bring back friends to help, but when i'm outnumbered i like to team up with someone to even the odds.

Nice attempt of a flame though.

 

[Pin]

If a Minstrel + Infiltrator can't beat a Skald + Bonedancer they must have played REALLY shit.

 

[Aybabtu]

As Pin said, make the lifetap castable and then, imo, fix pets so that they cant see you after you stealth and theres nothing wrong with a BD

 

[old.Nol]

IMO nerf savages to bring BD's in line...

 

[zlair]

Originally posted by Pin
If a Minstrel + Infiltrator can't beat a Skald + Bonedancer they must have played REALLY shit.

sry, i forgot... ur so ubah and l33t, right ?

its kinda hard, when Ghaz knows when we r coming and from what dir! the surprice element is kinda gone, unless we stealth in... (heard that his bleep bleep doesnt show stealthed chars)

 

[old.m0000]

Originally posted by Pin
If a Minstrel + Infiltrator can't beat a Skald + Bonedancer they must have played REALLY shit.

lmao, come back with a clue

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Aybabtu
As Pin said, make the lifetap castable and then, imo, fix pets so that they cant see you after you stealth and theres nothing wrong with a BD

And unless you give something back somewhere, you just broke the class completely.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by zlair
sry, i forgot... ur so ubah and l33t, right ?

its kinda hard, when Ghaz knows when we r coming and from what dir! the surprice element is kinda gone, unless we stealth in... (heard that his bleep bleep doesnt show stealthed chars)

ah right... you're accusing him of using RADAR now. okay then. BDs must be overpowered due to this.


As a stealth duo you kinda have the surprise element on your side. If they catch you unstealthed that's your fault, not his and you should lose then.

 

[old.m0000]

as i said before
the ONLY thing i have a problem with on BDs is the lifetap, either:

a) make it castable
b) put the timer at 15-20+ sec
c) reduce range to 700, and increase timer to 5-10 sec
d) reduce the damage dramatically


I prefer a)

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.m0000
lmao, come back with a clue

So 1600 front-loaded damage with a 9sec insta-stun isn't enough to kill a robed caster?

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by old.m0000
as i said before
the ONLY thing i have a problem with on BDs is the lifetap, either:

a) make it castable
b) put the timer at 15-20+ sec
c) reduce range to 700, and increase timer to 5-10 sec
d) reduce the damage dramatically


I prefer a)

And with a) you also broke the class by not putting anything back in.

Nice review.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by kaod
And with a) you also broke the class by not putting anything back in.

Nice review.

Actually no.

With a) the class gains damage due to you being able to cast it much faster than 4s.

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Pin
Actually no.

With a) the class gains damage due to you being able to cast it much faster than 4s.

Once with qc and then never again.

 

[old.m0000]

Originally posted by Pin
So 1600 front-loaded damage with a 9sec insta-stun isn't enough to kill a robed caster?

in short, no

a) purge stun / disease
b) 4/5 taps = dead infil
c) 5/6 taps = dead mincer
and ae mezz only lasts so long


oh and d) run around a lot dance and run thru so ppl get target not in view msgs for combat rounds... if anything it's the fact they can run around while spamming lifetap4tehwin, id even be happier if they kept insta lifetap but somehow they couldn't move around if they wanted to use it (kinda hard to work that i guess etc)

 

[Ghostly]

Originally posted by zlair
Said it be4, and ill gladly say it again!

Just use disease + enervating on them and they drop like flies...
no match for an assassin anyway

 

[old.m0000]

Originally posted by kaod
And with a) you also broke the class by not putting anything back in.

Nice review.

no, i fixed a broken class which had a bugged lifetap that is clearly not working as intended.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by kaod
Once with qc and then never again.

you mean it won't be a melee caster?

 

[old.m0000]

Re: Re: BDers r totally overpwred!

Originally posted by Ghostly
Just use disease + enervating on them and they drop like flies...
no match for an assassin anyway

v.low rr ones sure, not rr4+ tho imo, especially with full suits of alblative and etc

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Pin
That depends on whether you read posts by intelligent people or retards, imo.

BDs aren't overpowered, but maybe need an extra button to press.

Could give em an insta powertap at 4 sec timer aswell?

 

[xplo]

PA with desease, if failed, suicide at nearest keep.

 

[Begach]

Originally posted by kaod
Once with qc and then never again.

See now you got silly......was goin so well too ;\

Your now telling us that you deserve extra special treatment over the other pet casters? Not the best way to win the "BD are ok" argument. They survive (or not, nice SB btw ) quite happily without a 4 second lifetap.

Why should you be any different?

B.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.m0000
in short, no

a) purge stun / disease
b) 4/5 taps = dead infil
c) 5/6 taps = dead mincer
and ae mezz only lasts so long

Meduza has 50 base CS and is always buffed. That's 800 PA + poison + offhand + possible procs + crits + your 2 DDs + your swing + stun basically instantly.

A Bonedancer is the same as any other caster with ~1400 hps buffed and will die instantly. No time for purge and taps, no time for healer pets.

 

[cougar-]

buffed bds just rock solo, live with it, they suck in group rvr since the pets cant sprint.

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Begach
See now you got silly......was goin so well too ;\

Your now telling us that you deserve extra special treatment over the other pet casters? Not the best way to win the "BD are ok" argument. They survive (or not, nice SB btw ) quite happily without a 4 second lifetap.

Why should you be any different?

B.

You mean if it's castable?

A BD would at the very least need something over 1500 range as compensation else it just gets picked off.

 

[zlair]

Originally posted by xplo
PA with desease, if failed, suicide at nearest keep.

LOL... that is SOO true

 

[old.m0000]

Originally posted by cougar-
buffed bds just rock solo, live with it, they suck in group rvr since the pets cant sprint.

THAT is why your end regen is getting nerfed.

 

[Begach]

Originally posted by old.m0000
THAT is why your end regen is getting nerfed.

LOL my thoughts exactly

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by old.m0000
no, i fixed a broken class which had a bugged lifetap that is clearly not working as intended.

Castable LT with 1875 range, that I could probably live with.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by kaod
You mean if it's castable?

A BD would at the very least need something over 1500 range as compensation else it just gets picked off.

cos all other casters have greater ranged spells, right?