BDers r totally overpwred!

[zane]

Originally posted by cougar-
buffed bds just rock solo, live with it, they suck in group rvr since the pets cant sprint.

fyi pets can sprint when they have some kind of speed spell like haste, skald chant etc.

And Meduza could u just stop it with the whole radar mambo jambo, it's really getting to annoy meh. What you need to do is accept the fact that u got pwned over and over and over and over again and stop being such a child and try n blame it on some cheat.

 

[Ironfoot]

Originally posted by Pin
you were wrong last time, and you're wrong again.

My respec for PIN has just gone up 10 fold !

PIN i say respect to you mate for not being another mindless alb whine nerf kind of person

 

[zlair]

Originally posted by zane
fyi pets can sprint when they have some kind of speed spell like haste, skald chant etc.

And Meduza could u just stop it with the whole radar mambo jambo, it's really getting to annoy meh. What you need to do is accept the fact that u got pwned over and over and over and over again and stop being such a child and try n blame it on some cheat.

LOL... u know im right!

and ofc u wont admit it no1 would, so im not trying to make u admit it, just that i know u r using it!

 

[phule_gubben]

Originally posted by zlair
LOL... u know im right!

and ofc u wont admit it no1 would, so im not trying to make u admit it, just that i know u r using it!

LoL @ this dork...

 

[gwal]

pffffffh, cant ppl find something better to do than moan and whine about almost every mid class (and chanter) - at least try to keep it fair instead of asking for nerfs for all. no way BD is nerf material.

 

[Kirtaa]

meduza is wrong pin is right etc etc etc etc

 

[ulke]

Ghazkull rocks :great:
Keep ganking thoose wankers in odin's
And go get rr6 before the end of the week damnit if not i'll beat yoo to it

 

[zane]

Originally posted by zlair
LOL... u know im right!

and ofc u wont admit it no1 would, so im not trying to make u admit it, just that i know u r using it!

I pity pity pity yer sad arse mate....

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by kaod
Castable LT with 1875 range, that I could probably live with.

As a cloth caster, this pisses me off. Why the f*ck should BDs be any different than other cloth casters? All ranged amage except bolts are 1500 range. Isn't the pet zerg unique enough to make the BD a worthy class of its own, do they also need that leet insta lifetap?

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by kaod
BD is supposed to be a hybrid, not a pure caster.

Lemme see:

Cloth armour
Quickcast
No access to IP
No melee-spec
AF-buff, self bladeturn spell and absorb spell

Looks EXACTLY like a caster.. How the hell can you make a hybrid out of it?

I think you don't want the class changed, while it would be ALOT better to change it, even for the bonedancer himself (!!!).

Remove the stupid insta lifetap and give them some real spells and they're a better caster with better DPS. They could even get a spot in a RvR-group then.

Now the bonedancer SUCKS in RvR unless 1-on-1 (yeah that happens alot on Excalibur, NOT!) and sucks in RvR fg combat.

To top it out: A bonedancer cannot do in PvE very good. Mana is limited, spells get resisted on higher con mobs.

But you still want to keep that 1 (!!!!) spell because it's fun to wtfpwn almost everything one-on-one but entirely ruining the class for serious RvR and/or PvE. I really don't understand that to be honest :/

 

[zane]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Lemme see:

Cloth armour
Quickcast
No access to IP
No melee-spec
AF-buff, self bladeturn spell and absorb spell

Looks EXACTLY like a caster.. How the hell can you make a hybrid out of it?

I think you don't want the class changed, while it would be ALOT better to change it, even for the bonedancer himself (!!!).

Remove the stupid insta lifetap and give them some real spells and they're a better caster with better DPS. They could even get a spot in a RvR-group then.

Now the bonedancer SUCKS in RvR unless 1-on-1 (yeah that happens alot on Excalibur, NOT!) and sucks in RvR fg combat.

To top it out: A bonedancer cannot do in PvE very good. Mana is limited, spells get resisted on higher con mobs.

But you still want to keep that 1 (!!!!) spell because it's fun to wtfpwn almost everything one-on-one but entirely ruining the class for serious RvR and/or PvE. I really don't understand that to be honest :/

Imo Bds doesn't suck in fgs it's just that ppl don't know much about em and prolly have never tried to grp with one. I've never got any complatints while grouped. They may not fit into the "perfect" group but even if they remove insta and replace it with some castable lifetap or somthin they still won't.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by piggeman
One of many weakness of a bonedancer is mentioned above. To do great dmg we have to boost lifetap with DD. This cost alot of power. Patch 1.62 is closing in on us, and with that BD get a new base DD at lvl 50. As you all know, a "better" spell cost more power which means that a BD without Raging Power is like a Berserk without Vendo. We won't have enough power to face fg vs fg ffs.

ROTFL. So your general dps is higher then of any other pure-DD nuker and you complain about mana usage? To top it out you cannot be interrupted on your insta-LT.

The way I see it you got the same tools as any other caster BUT you can aid it with a lifetap (insta) every 4 seconds to do even better damage.

That costs more mana but it's BENEFICIAL compared to a regular caster. You get freebie heals from the pets AND the insta lifetap ---> life for much longer then any other cloth caster so OFCOURSE your mana-cost is higher. DOH!

Imo, give something to make BD better for grp, no nerf.

Depends on your definition of a nerf. I said before I wanna remove the insta-lifetap and GIVE the bonedancer so he gains something in groups. That wouldn't be a nerf, but a fix. IT would make the BD wanted in groups perhaps AND it would remove the insult to other casters atm.

When i play in FG I don't play as dmg dealer. I play mostly to interupt people (3 at once is possible), and to root people that hunt our supporters. If possible, maybe kill a caster or two. Kill a tank in fg vs fg is no use. 50% power for one kill.

Buhu! Cry ect!

When I play my caster I mostly play as being first target to die. So you actually do MUCH better then my DD-caster.

 

[Goryk]

Reduce range of their insta tap to 750 like a minstrel shout (or even 500) and I'd be happy.. The constant interruption a bd puts out is evul, and they nuke for too much when doing insta and castable together. It's not right that a bd can kill you before you reach them and be so tough to take down once you get into hand to hand fighting.

 

[piggeman]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Lemme see:

Cloth armour
Quickcast
No access to IP
No melee-spec
AF-buff, self bladeturn spell and absorb spell

Looks EXACTLY like a caster.. How the hell can you make a hybrid out of it?

I think you don't want the class changed, while it would be ALOT better to change it, even for the bonedancer himself (!!!).

Remove the stupid insta lifetap and give them some real spells and they're a better caster with better DPS. They could even get a spot in a RvR-group then.

Now the bonedancer SUCKS in RvR unless 1-on-1 (yeah that happens alot on Excalibur, NOT!) and sucks in RvR fg combat.

To top it out: A bonedancer cannot do in PvE very good. Mana is limited, spells get resisted on higher con mobs.

But you still want to keep that 1 (!!!!) spell because it's fun to wtfpwn almost everything one-on-one but entirely ruining the class for serious RvR and/or PvE. I really don't understand that to be honest :/

oh .. an alb ... we know they know best ..

soz m8, we're wrong.. u win!

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by old.Riddler
nerds....they tried making LT castable afaik (on pend or whatever), and it made the class/specline totally useless

Umm, why? This is like any normal pet caster, but with more than one pet?

 

[piggeman]

Originally posted by Belomar
Umm, why? This is like any normal pet caster, but with more than one pet?

nope, commanders are lower lvls then "normal" pets ..

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by piggeman
nope, commanders are lower lvls then "normal" pets ..

They sure as heal are more uber than my single simulacrum. Yours even styles in combat, and has a retinue of archers and healers accompanying it (depending on your spec, I would guess). All mine can do is getting CCed and promptly ignored.

 

[Grandpeck]

Without lifetap bd is useless,get a bloody grip ppl take that away and bd is near as damn it useless,if u havent worked out a way to attack and kill a bd solo then why attack us ?? Seems stupid to me.If we in fg vs fg i use my bd as a sacrifical lamb to target any other casters as doing this we get "agro" from your tanks as your casters must be screaming for help. This class has a use in rvr but some ppl havent quite twigged it yet it seems.As for nerfing lifetap or making it castable,go play one first and then try having a lifetap on cast it cant be done and would ruin the bd class

Kelan 50 bd

 

[zlair]

Originally posted by Grandpeck
... try having a lifetap on cast it cant be done and would ruin the bd class

Kelan 50 bd

becuz that would require some small amount of skill then ? just not the 1-button-4-teh-win, ehh ?

make it castable and make ranger 1500. then the 'caster' actually have to 'cast' like all others!

 

[lpep]

If they nerf bd'rs the they should do the same to necro's.......

 

[horil]

Originally posted by zlair
becuz that would require some small amount of skill then ? just not the 1-button-4-teh-win, ehh ?

make it castable and make ranger 1500. then the 'caster' actually have to 'cast' like all others!

small amount of interruption
damage wouldn't be too good either, comparing to any "real" nuke.

 

[zlair]

Originally posted by lpep
If they nerf bd'rs the they should do the same to necro's.......

... and here i thought they DID do that... :doh:

 

[horil]

Originally posted by zlair
... and here i thought they DID do that... :doh:

it was fix, they're still overpowered PvE

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by zlair
becuz that would require some small amount of skill then ? just not the 1-button-4-teh-win, ehh ?

make it castable and make ranger 1500. then the 'caster' actually have to 'cast' like all others!

says the buffbot-wielding fotm4tehwin infil, damn that must make bd's cry irl when you say stuff like that

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by Grandpeck
As for nerfing lifetap or making it castable,go play one first and then try having a lifetap on cast it cant be done and would ruin the bd class

All right, Mr Bonedancer, can you please tell me why it can't be done? Why oh why would a castable lifetap be any different than 100% of the rest of the casters in all of the realms? Why should BDs be priviledged and get insta damage when no other caster gets it? All I am asking for is a lucid explanation from a BD who is not of the usual unibrow type that seems to gravitate towards the class like flies to manure.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Belomar
They sure as heal are more uber than my single simulacrum. Yours even styles in combat, and has a retinue of archers and healers accompanying it (depending on your spec, I would guess). All mine can do is getting CCed and promptly ignored.

a supp bd hasnt got archer pets, you have a ranged pet, you have pet with stun, are the bd pets immune to cc? didnt think so, so wtf bring it up?

and has he got nearsight? disease? strong dot? etc

 

[zlair]

Originally posted by Arnor
says the buffbot-wielding fotm4tehwin infil, damn that must make bd's cry irl when you say stuff like that

plz dont make me cry, arnor, plz, pretty plz...

<Wonders why Arnor said that - the zerker Arnor>

 

[cougar-]

Originally posted by zlair
plz dont make me cry, arnor, plz, pretty plz...

<Wonders why Arnor said that - the zerker Arnor>

we are patched now, so zerkers are officaly not fotm anymore, you however mister infil!

 

[kaod]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
Lemme see:

Cloth armour
Quickcast
No access to IP
No melee-spec
AF-buff, self bladeturn spell and absorb spell

Looks EXACTLY like a caster.. How the hell can you make a hybrid out of it?

I think you don't want the class changed, while it would be ALOT better to change it, even for the bonedancer himself (!!!).

Remove the stupid insta lifetap and give them some real spells and they're a better caster with better DPS. They could even get a spot in a RvR-group then.

Now the bonedancer SUCKS in RvR unless 1-on-1 (yeah that happens alot on Excalibur, NOT!) and sucks in RvR fg combat.

To top it out: A bonedancer cannot do in PvE very good. Mana is limited, spells get resisted on higher con mobs.

But you still want to keep that 1 (!!!!) spell because it's fun to wtfpwn almost everything one-on-one but entirely ruining the class for serious RvR and/or PvE. I really don't understand that to be honest :/

You kind of prove my argument that people who don't really know too much about the class just scream nerf LT, nerf heals without understanding what a BD actually is.

How many casters across all 3 realms can and are supposed to be able to tank against a higher con mob like a Suppression BD can?

THIS is why the dmg v power output of a BD is so poor - because it's a hybrid.

A hybrid does NOT have to access to weapon styles (you could perhaps argue that the commander does have styles so that's the hybrid-tank element, the rear ones easily used when the BD.... tanks.) and I'm not even sure exactly what the other element of the hybrid nature of the BD is tbh, but it was never designed to be a pure caster.

Like I said before though, I really couldn't care about this argument now, I like playing my BD at the moment, I know it will get ruined eventually like many other classes in the game simply because too many people bitch without understanding strengths and weaknesses of classes they haven't really played.

And btw - if 1 v 1 doesn't ever really happen - and the BD owns all with that 1 button 1 v1 - why is there an argument?
PvE is just fine, as soon as the 1st healer pet is available (L15) there are no problems at all.
Darkness is cruddy for PvE I admit, BA is ok but Dots use up more mana and having to wait for any life to come back makes Suppression the best/fastest way to go IMO. (And yes, I've tried all of them up to at least 30 something)

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by kaod
THIS is why the dmg v power output of a BD is so poor - because it's a hybrid.

Seriously, what are you smoking? Bonedancers are not hybrids! You even start from the Mystic base class, the official caster base class of Midgard. What will it take for you to admit you were wrong? A personal mail from Sanya?

I'm not even sure exactly what the other element of the hybrid nature of the BD is tbh, but it was never designed to be a pure caster.

That's right, you are not sure, you ignorant fool, and still you vehemently claim it is a hybrid?

From Mythic's official description of Bonedancers (http://www.camelotherald.com/characters/bonedancer.php):

The Bonedancer is a Midgard pet caster who follows the Valkyn ancient pre-Norse god Bogdar.

Satisfied?