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kaod
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Originally posted by Pin
you mean it won't be a melee caster?
No it won't, and it will be left with no long/short range skills at all.
No it won't, and it will be left with no long/short range skills at all.
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saltymcpepper
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in si beta they changed the LT to castable and people complained it ruined the class so it was changed back
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Begach
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Why? All realms have pet classes (including your own)..........non of em get a DD above 1500.....again why should you?
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old.Nol
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take away it's claw and it's useless, I swear...
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Pin
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No long range skills except pets, you mean?
Only bolt casters have ranged (non-pet) damage over 1500. or do you want heals/nearsight?
And the only 'short-range' spell is PBAE, and you're not suggesting you get PBAE, are you?
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Begach
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LOL.......i find it really funny that ppl complained that making a CASTer...............*GASP* CAST a spell ruined the class an mythic actually listened to em. So precious.
"Hey mythic my chanters DD's are castable FFS.......it ruins the class etc. Givf 4 second insta plz"
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Ghostly
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Originally posted by zlair
LOL... that is SOO true
translated: BUHU, there is a class that kills me when I miss PA.... NERF!
BD's are annoying but no real threat imho...
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kaod
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Due to the fact that I don't think the BD has the tools to compensate for lack of a non-interuptable LT.
Bd's don't just use LT because its overepowered, its largely because there's nothing else to use.
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kaod
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BD is supposed to be a hybrid, not a pure caster.
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Pin
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root, snare, debuff, casted lifetap, casted dd, debuff, pet tools, dots, quickcast. what exactly does it lack?
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Pin
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errr. lol?
it's a hybrid when it gets to train in weaponry.
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Begach
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It wasn't suggested it be removed. Only made castable. Like everyone else. An you aint supposed to be compensated for a non-interruptable spell. Noone should have a insta DD/%80 heal on a 4 second timer. That is what everyones pissin an moaning about.
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Amadon
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I didn't know savages got lifetap too
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Begach
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Actually pin my BD was stick killin those mobs like a charm. Well f6 + lifetap at least. PWNED4tehwin!!! etc!!!
I dunno what you'd call that tbh. I have a hybrid main. I have a shity DD that hits for half the dmg, has no healing and is on a 10 second timer. Seams to be some disparity here methinks
<blatant savage whine>An don't tell mythic they a mid hybrid or they'll give em cheap IP, purge and Det</blatantsavagewhine>
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This post dosent matter at all since mythic is happy with Supp Bds Preformance 
So whine all you want it wont change anything ohh and btw Reavers are overpowered hitting for 600+/- some with a 1 hander and shield equipped Nerf reavers ^^
So whine all you want it wont change anything ohh and btw Reavers are overpowered hitting for 600+/- some with a 1 hander and shield equipped Nerf reavers ^^
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kaod
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You don't get all those in one line though.
DoTs are 62% weaker than Cabby DoTs at Level 50 for starters.
Any one of Nearshight, more pet tools in one line, movement buff, aoe focus snare would be nice.
And of course functional pet tools, focus snare and RA.
They'll nerf the LT anyway, so tbh I'm not really bothered about the argument, just know that it will ruin the class unless something is given back in return.
We can fight 1 v1 well, but not really in groups, that kinda says something about our tools IMO.
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Yah!! Castable power drain (like necro). Would pown. And yes, give transfer health to suppresion bonedancer too, so they can get grp (as healer or something). And then RM speed, so they can sprint without loosing pets. And styles for their staff. That should do it ..Originally posted by noaim
Could give em an insta powertap at 4 sec timer aswell?
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Originally posted by Nfr
This post dosent matter at all since mythic is happy with Supp Bds Preformance
So whine all you want it wont change anything ohh and btw Reavers are overpowered hitting for 600+/- some with a 1 hander and shield equipped Nerf reavers ^^
having no clue what ur talking about, i think that 600 is more "-" than "+"...
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Yeah im talking out of my ass just like you are its an alb class and i dont play it but to me it sounds like you played 8 bds to lvl 50 so pls stfu ok ?
Suppression
Suppression is the most popular spec. PvE is right on target. In RvR, the spec addresses the survival problem faced by all casters but this makes the specs an annoying one to fight . Yet the interruption factor and survival are the only things going for this spec. The DPS of lifetap is the lowest DD of any cloth caster spec spell. To boost damage, supp BDs have to overlap with darkness DD or BA DoTs which doubles the power cost which is a large balancing factor in large scale RvR. Thus supp BDs are great 1-on-1, ok in 8 vs 8 encounters and weak in zerg vs zerg or keeps. The spec suffers from power wasting pet ablative buff at high level (counters about less than half a melee hit on pet for 8% power or so) and bugged focus AE snare (no AE effect at all).
We're currently happy with where this spec stands on the high end level. No plans for changes.
and there ya go whine all you want nothing will change
Suppression
Suppression is the most popular spec. PvE is right on target. In RvR, the spec addresses the survival problem faced by all casters but this makes the specs an annoying one to fight . Yet the interruption factor and survival are the only things going for this spec. The DPS of lifetap is the lowest DD of any cloth caster spec spell. To boost damage, supp BDs have to overlap with darkness DD or BA DoTs which doubles the power cost which is a large balancing factor in large scale RvR. Thus supp BDs are great 1-on-1, ok in 8 vs 8 encounters and weak in zerg vs zerg or keeps. The spec suffers from power wasting pet ablative buff at high level (counters about less than half a melee hit on pet for 8% power or so) and bugged focus AE snare (no AE effect at all).
We're currently happy with where this spec stands on the high end level. No plans for changes.
and there ya go whine all you want nothing will change
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Pin
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errr. frontloading 600 on a caster is easy. 600 on solos is easy with abs debuff, damage add and lifetap.
600 on a grouped char with resist buffs is not easy (400-450 is more usual)
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Pin
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Originally posted by Nfr
We're currently happy with where this spec stands on the high end level. No plans for changes.
and there ya go whine all you want nothing will change
And yes I agree that it shouldn't be changed and is fine right now.
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Pin
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They are all available to the same char. Either in the main/secondary specline or in baselines.
And the dots are not '62% weaker'... '62% the value' would be more correct.
As I said. Give them more buttons if they make it castable, but it shouldn't be in the form of longer range damage or pbae, etc.
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One of many weakness of a bonedancer is mentioned above. To do great dmg we have to boost lifetap with DD. This cost alot of power. Patch 1.62 is closing in on us, and with that BD get a new base DD at lvl 50. As you all know, a "better" spell cost more power which means that a BD without Raging Power is like a Berserk without Vendo. We won't have enough power to face fg vs fg ffs.Originally posted by Nfr
Suppression
Suppression is the most popular spec. PvE is right on target. In RvR, the spec addresses the survival problem faced by all casters but this makes the specs an annoying one to fight . Yet the interruption factor and survival are the only things going for this spec. The DPS of lifetap is the lowest DD of any cloth caster spec spell. To boost damage, supp BDs have to overlap with darkness DD or BA DoTs which doubles the power cost which is a large balancing factor in large scale RvR. Thus supp BDs are great 1-on-1, ok in 8 vs 8 encounters and weak in zerg vs zerg or keeps. The spec suffers from power wasting pet ablative buff at high level (counters about less than half a melee hit on pet for 8% power or so) and bugged focus AE snare (no AE effect at all).
We're currently happy with where this spec stands on the high end level. No plans for changes.
and there ya go whine all you want nothing will change
Imo, give something to make BD better for grp, no nerf.
When i play in FG I don't play as dmg dealer. I play mostly to interupt people (3 at once is possible), and to root people that hunt our supporters. If possible, maybe kill a caster or two. Kill a tank in fg vs fg is no use. 50% power for one kill.
Buhu! Cry ect!
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Pin
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Okay. Not sure I understand you...
So you are stood there nuking away with a Darkness DD doing damage, and lifetapping at the same time with the insta-tap? So doing twice the damage for twice the powercost in the same amount of time?
Then when someone interrupts you you just continue powertapping uintil out of power?
And you are complaining about something here?
The only reason other casters don't run out of power all the time is because they are either dead or interrupted or the fight is over before then can use the stuff.
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old.Nol
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YEAH! take away determination from savages and give to BD's!
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piggeman
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I've played lvl 50 RM with darkness spec and lvl 50 darkness focus. They do alot more dmg and loose like none power..
That's my point.
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old.Nol
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You should try playing a nightshade mate, got a mana pool like a hamsters arsehole...
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nerds....they tried making LT castable afaik (on pend or whatever), and it made the class/specline totally useless
as many has pointed out, bd's have to double nuke, which clearly requires alot of power (hello raging power), which doesnt make them all that uber until high RR, and most classes are uber at high RR's so
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as many has pointed out, bd's have to double nuke, which clearly requires alot of power (hello raging power), which doesnt make them all that uber until high RR, and most classes are uber at high RR's so
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kaod
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You have to remember that the people that actually play the class day in day out have no idea of it's strengths and weaknesses.
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what's wrong with a class that mostly solo, can't stealth' wear cloth' don't do styled damage?
Just bcse some infil/NS can't solo a clothwearer it's overpowered and must be nerfed?
Guess u guys must whine of something or else u ain't gonna feel like the wuzzies u are.
Go all crazy BD's of midgard Go Go!!!
Just bcse some infil/NS can't solo a clothwearer it's overpowered and must be nerfed?
Guess u guys must whine of something or else u ain't gonna feel like the wuzzies u are.
Go all crazy BD's of midgard Go Go!!!