BBC Slams Matrix:Revolutions...

[sad_mung]

120 million pounds on it's release day "ubiquitous BBC link".

HYPE>FILM

 

[(Shovel)]

The thing I find really confusing at the mo - and is a reason why I will probably go see it again at some point - is that an awful lot of not-nerdy people really enjoyed it - even those who really, really hated Reloaded. It's something I find really confusing. While I accept that the content of Reloaded is a matter of taste, I really struggle to find anything much to like in Revolutions, especially if I were to take away any interest in the wider plot. However, I shall go again at some point and see what can be found

 

[dr_jo]

Why do some people hate the third film? (Me included)? Because there was nothing to make you think.
The first film was such a clever idea. I came out thinking "wow, what, how, but...?" and was talking about it for hours. I loved the second film too, although I think the first was marginally better. But the third was just lots of unneccessary violence. I'm not into violence for the sake of it, and found most of the third film boring and repetitive.
I came out asking very few questions, apart from finding holes in the plot, and trying to work out what had gone wrong. If you're looking for an action film, it's probably ok. But if you're looking for something which requires you to engage more than 2 brain cells, look elsewhere.

 

[(Shovel)]

I dunno, I think the aftermath of the film /does/ engage the brain - but not the merits of the 3rd film itself. It's the strength of the story overall. In that respect the story is admirable, and depending on what they do next (hopefully nothing) may still allow the series to remembered with some affection.

 

[Sar]

The third film was all about conclusion and pay-off. Without leaving a lot of plot strands dangling it couldn't really have asked/posed as many questions as the first two did.

 

[ReActor]

Originally posted by Sar
The third film was all about conclusion and pay-off. Without leaving a lot of plot strands dangling it couldn't really have asked/posed as many questions as the first two did.

I think this supports the idea that one reviewer expressed, which was: it should have been 2 films, not 3.

That makes a lot of sense if you think about it. If you cut all the unnecessary crap from Reloaded and Revolutions, you'd have a decent 2nd film which would wrap everything up and also be pretty exciting.

 

[Testin da Cable]

Originally posted by (Shovel)
I dunno, I think the aftermath of the film /does/ engage the brain - but not the merits of the 3rd film itself. It's the strength of the story overall. In that respect the story is admirable, and depending on what they do next (hopefully nothing) may still allow the series to remembered with some affection.

if it hadn't caused us to think this thread never would have happend

 

[(Shovel)]

Precisely.

Anyone got any answers on the Smith being a single conscious/multiple individuals question?

 

[Testin da Cable]

I notice that there always seems to be one Smith that leads. that one is the controlling process, all the others are childeren that he has spawned. Think of the webserver Apache, and the child processes that it has: they all do things semi autonomously, but only one has the power to create new processes.

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by Testin da Cable
I notice that there always seems to be one Smith that leads. that one is the controlling process, all the others are childeren that he has spawned. Think of the webserver Apache, and the child processes that it has: they all do things semi autonomously, but only one has the power to create new processes.

No, I think they could all create new processes. It just happens that for the sake of the viewers it's easier if only one speaks at once.

 

[dr_jo]

But in the second film, there are two smiths attacking Morpheous and trying to encorporate him. They both have their hands stuck in him.

 

[Testin da Cable]

ok ok so I was guessing

perhaps it depends which one is on the cpu at the time?

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by dr_jo
But in the second film, there are two smiths attacking Morpheous and trying to encorporate him. They both have their hands stuck in him.

Which is why I thought it was extremely odd that Neo was fighting one Smith at the end of Revolutions :/

 

[Testin da Cable]

perhaps that was THE Smith? tdc's theorem4tehwin!!1

 

[Wij]

Why did they build it up in Reloaded to make you believe they were all equally Smith then ?

(Actually I think the one he fought was the one he'd made from the Oracle no ?)

 

[Nibbler]

Yeah, the one he fought was the Smoracle.

 

[jo.]

Before the fight he said something like "we've already seen that I'm the one that beats you, so the rest of me will just be watching".

*shrugs*

If it were up to me then Neo would've 'absorbed' Smith's cloning power during the failed 'clone' before the big fight scene in Reloaded, in the same way Smith 'absorbed' something from Neo at the end of the first film... that'd have made for a much more visually interesting and stupidly expensive 'good vs. evil' end fight.

 

[(Shovel)]

What, you mean an army of Neo's vs an Army of Smiths? Might be good for a brief, cheap laugh. Not sure about the long term prospects.
Another reason against that would probably be that Neo is the good guy, and therefore stealing people's bodies is probably on the wrong side of the line.

One trick they missed (for which credit must go to dr_jo) was the oppotunity to have the occasional "syncronised expression" with the Smiths, just to get a split second camera shot of them all "growling" at Neo in syncronis and so forth, would - I think - have looked pretty cool.

 

[jo.]

More along the lines of Smith giving a speech, they run towards each other and have a little scrap, as they did, and then Neo plunges his hand into Smiths chest and then all the Smiths dive in and there's another Reloaded-esque big fight with lots of Neos and Smiths turning each other...

...But that thought is just 'damage control'... had I actually been given a large cheque and told "Go make more Matrix films" things would've been very different and that fight probably wouldn't of been there.

It just didn't feel like the end-o-the-film, good vs. evil, "everything rests on this" fight that it was... it felt like just another fight, only with flying people and overuse of that watery globe effect.

 

[Tom]

No, the main problem with this film is that we didn't see enough of Persephone's breasts.

 

[Hashmonster]

Originally posted by Jonny_Darko

Put it this way - I saw it on the second night, it was in the smallest screen and it was only half full.

I saw it first night.. fairly empty tho it was 11pm... 3rd night (friday) at 8pm it was packed solid... weekends tend to be when it filled right up

a flop.... nope

 

[Summo]

Originally posted by Testin da Cable
I notice that there always seems to be one Smith that leads. that one is the controlling process, all the others are childeren that he has spawned. Think of the webserver Apache, and the child processes that it has: they all do things semi autonomously, but only one has the power to create new processes.

OMG! TDC is the nerd that Big G was talking about. He is The One!

 

[Summo]

Heh. I've just been watching that scene again for TDC's pic. When the guy picks up his mini-disc from Neo, almost every line is so telling .

"You're my saviour, man. My own own personal Jesus Christ."
"I know, this never happened. You don't exist." "Right..."
"It's the only way to fly..."
"Sounds to me like you need to unplug, man."

 

[Jonny_Darko]

Originally posted by Hashmonster
I saw it first night.. fairly empty tho it was 11pm... 3rd night (friday) at 8pm it was packed solid... weekends tend to be when it filled right up

a flop.... nope

Trust me, it will drop off very quickly. All us geeks are going to watch it now (and there are a lot of us) but in two weeks it'll be over.

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by Jonny_Darko
Trust me, it will drop off very quickly. All us geeks are going to watch it now (and there are a lot of us) but in two weeks it'll be over.

It's already the biggest grossing film in the first weekend though isn't it ? It's not going to be a FLOP is it.

 

[Durzel]

Depends on whether you deem a film to be good purely based on box office figures or not. I mean, look at Titanic..

 

[Testin da Cable]

Originally posted by Summo
OMG! TDC is the nerd that Big G was talking about. He is The One!

summo4tehwin!!1

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by Durzel
Depends on whether you deem a film to be good purely based on box office figures or not. I mean, look at Titanic..

I have already deemed it not good. It is successful already though.