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Exactly.
Some people...
PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE, THX.
Exactly.
Some people...
PAY ATTENTION PEOPLE, THX.
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I enjoyed it. Better than Reloaded by a long shot - I wasn't even bored once like I was during Reloaded.
I fail to see how anyone can't understand it either.
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I fail to see how anyone can't understand it either.
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I fail to see how people think it's terrible.
What the fuck were they expecting?
What the fuck were they expecting?
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Being a developer i thought the personification of the bits of code was quite genius, but to the layman they might sit there and think "huh...".
Sar, I think the reason some feel it was "terrible" was that it was plainly not good for many reasons, for which they probably cba explaining. The showing I was at did have some chuckling going on at the "Trinity, i'm stevie wonder!" bit and people leaving the cinema not long after it.
I was expecting to be wowed by action (which i was) but i didn't expect the acting and script to be *that* bad.
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Sar, I think the reason some feel it was "terrible" was that it was plainly not good for many reasons, for which they probably cba explaining. The showing I was at did have some chuckling going on at the "Trinity, i'm stevie wonder!" bit and people leaving the cinema not long after it.
I was expecting to be wowed by action (which i was) but i didn't expect the acting and script to be *that* bad.
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I'm so glad I'm forgetful, I think I read everyone's spoilers 
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Seriph was also referred to as a Judas by the merilvingean (sp bah!), which would make an intresting animatrix story.
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Say hello to spoiler-heaven
Film coolness-curve for me: ____--------_
the beginning was the actors from the Matrix1 but it didnt feel like the matrix. Like the friends gang playing a boring as hell chess-movie or sumt, I didnt feel like it fit.
Bane, The Hammer, people on there. Could you BE MORE FUCKING STUPID?!
"hi, we believe this guy here who's in a coma is responsible for getting half the ships killed, lets lay him nicely on this bench here with sharp objects nearby incase he wakes up"
That pissed me off no end
Neo becomming blind was totally kickass, Trinity dying was cool because it "never" happens in other flicks, and because you could almost feel she would bite it seconds before.
Even though Seraph was totally teh roxx, I think it was retarded that him, oracle and indian-girl suddenly were alive after smith was dead. Wtf did he do with em? use winzip?
Even though Trinity is dead and Neo most likely is too, the human race is in ruins and the rest of em are still connected to the matrix, they fucking managed to make it a happy-happy-joy-joy ending, which is balls.
Also, Merv had a tiny part (AGAIN!!), he is very cool and should have had a bigger part, ditto for monica bellucis boobs
Really loved the fact that they had reload-squads for the APU's
oh and on that note, the designer of the APU's should have been shot "look at me, I have this big APU and will smash you"
*throws knife* "gcckkkaaaaarrrghh, you killed me"
the whole fucking IDEA of an ARMORED Personell Unit (im guessing) is that it should PROTECT the user, no?
petty yes since they are fighting robots etc, but still damn annoying.
Other then that I liked the flick pretty well.
It was in NO way close to matrix1 (maybe the run to the machine city by neo&trin-trin, but nuttin else)
Im not thinking of this as a trilogy, its The Matrix, then Damn Cool Action Flick 1&2 (reloaded&revolutions) imo
Film coolness-curve for me: ____--------_
the beginning was the actors from the Matrix1 but it didnt feel like the matrix. Like the friends gang playing a boring as hell chess-movie or sumt, I didnt feel like it fit.
Bane, The Hammer, people on there. Could you BE MORE FUCKING STUPID?!
"hi, we believe this guy here who's in a coma is responsible for getting half the ships killed, lets lay him nicely on this bench here with sharp objects nearby incase he wakes up"
That pissed me off no end
Neo becomming blind was totally kickass, Trinity dying was cool because it "never" happens in other flicks, and because you could almost feel she would bite it seconds before.
Even though Seraph was totally teh roxx, I think it was retarded that him, oracle and indian-girl suddenly were alive after smith was dead. Wtf did he do with em? use winzip?
Even though Trinity is dead and Neo most likely is too, the human race is in ruins and the rest of em are still connected to the matrix, they fucking managed to make it a happy-happy-joy-joy ending, which is balls.
Also, Merv had a tiny part (AGAIN!!), he is very cool and should have had a bigger part, ditto for monica bellucis boobs
Really loved the fact that they had reload-squads for the APU's
oh and on that note, the designer of the APU's should have been shot "look at me, I have this big APU and will smash you"
*throws knife* "gcckkkaaaaarrrghh, you killed me"
the whole fucking IDEA of an ARMORED Personell Unit (im guessing) is that it should PROTECT the user, no?
petty yes since they are fighting robots etc, but still damn annoying.
Other then that I liked the flick pretty well.
It was in NO way close to matrix1 (maybe the run to the machine city by neo&trin-trin, but nuttin else)
Im not thinking of this as a trilogy, its The Matrix, then Damn Cool Action Flick 1&2 (reloaded&revolutions) imo
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You can use the plot-hole thread if you want
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Originally posted by Wij
You can use the plot-hole thread if you want
ah, thx. didnt think it was for everyone
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Seen it 3 times now, and u tend to come away with more things each time! i enjoyed it more than reloaded - i thought the end sequence and the attack on zyon was incredible. Exactly how CGI should be used where it doesnt become 'unbelievable'.
*****SPOILERS FFS!*****
Anyone notice that during the intro sequence when the matrix symbols make images - (where it zooms in and out) - that on its first zoom in its actually the machine world u see later on when they drop back down thru clouds (just before trinity kicks it)
nice touch! probably only notice it when u see it a second time... or third.
*****SPOILERS FFS!*****
Anyone notice that during the intro sequence when the matrix symbols make images - (where it zooms in and out) - that on its first zoom in its actually the machine world u see later on when they drop back down thru clouds (just before trinity kicks it)
nice touch!
probably only notice it when u see it a second time... or third.
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Well, I say it this afternoon and came out bittery disappointed. I found it depressingly mediocre.
Plot wise, and ending wise, it's ok and it makes sense. Yeah there's dubious parts, but for what it is it all adds up.
The big problem for me was that it wasn't a very good film. The fun in the previous two (and I really like Reloaded, btw) is that the action within the Matrix is very cool. It's exciting, there's the slight twitch of "I wish I could do that". A huge part of the action in Revolutions involves hulking great robots shooter at each other. I found the whole Zion attack scene immensely dull - I've no doubt that that's personal view, but for me that just isn't what the Matrix films were about.
The best part of Rev. for me was the beginning, the Marovingian was - as ever - the most charismatic character in it and was the highlight of the film. To be honest, I found the final fight pretty average too, though I'd been desensitised to the film by this point, it was passionless compared to the previous efforts.
It was almost quite demoralising seeing Neo so weak and exhausted against Smith at the end, being "Smithed" as the solution is all very well, and rather clever, but I can't help feeling that I'd have enjoyed it more if he'd been "stronger".
I was in a right state over it to be honest, really, really disappointed. So much so that I rewrote the ending on the train home from London - everything is hunky dory again for me
The critical point: Adjust the time scale so that the machines only reach the dock right at the end, so that the crappy mechwarrior stuff is kept to a nice minimum. I'd have Neo going to the Marovingian to search out the Architect (reference to the "I hope we don't meet again", "We wont" part of Reloaded) and make the peace pact business with him, and take it to Smith from there.
Ho hum.
Well, I say it this afternoon and came out bittery disappointed. I found it depressingly mediocre.
Plot wise, and ending wise, it's ok and it makes sense. Yeah there's dubious parts, but for what it is it all adds up.
The big problem for me was that it wasn't a very good film. The fun in the previous two (and I really like Reloaded, btw) is that the action within the Matrix is very cool. It's exciting, there's the slight twitch of "I wish I could do that". A huge part of the action in Revolutions involves hulking great robots shooter at each other. I found the whole Zion attack scene immensely dull - I've no doubt that that's personal view, but for me that just isn't what the Matrix films were about.
The best part of Rev. for me was the beginning, the Marovingian was - as ever - the most charismatic character in it and was the highlight of the film. To be honest, I found the final fight pretty average too, though I'd been desensitised to the film by this point, it was passionless compared to the previous efforts.
It was almost quite demoralising seeing Neo so weak and exhausted against Smith at the end, being "Smithed" as the solution is all very well, and rather clever, but I can't help feeling that I'd have enjoyed it more if he'd been "stronger".
I was in a right state over it to be honest, really, really disappointed. So much so that I rewrote the ending on the train home from London - everything is hunky dory again for me
The critical point: Adjust the time scale so that the machines only reach the dock right at the end, so that the crappy mechwarrior stuff is kept to a nice minimum. I'd have Neo going to the Marovingian to search out the Architect (reference to the "I hope we don't meet again", "We wont" part of Reloaded) and make the peace pact business with him, and take it to Smith from there.
Ho hum.
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Is it really still necessary to add
***SPOILERS!!!!!!!***?
Well, there it is anyway.
I felt that the Merovingian became a bit of a parody of himself in Revolutions.
Also, it was strange that the kid (one who got the zion doors open) was shown to be so important, and yet for no real reason. I mean they introduce him in Reloaded as some annoying kid. Then they show his back story in The Animatrix, and show that he managed to unplug from the matrix by will power alone.. something which really should have been explored more. From this I (along with many others, I think) thought that he'd be a very important character in Revolutions. As it turns out, he has a reasonable role but it was all real world stuff, nothing to do with his brilliant strength of mind within the matrix. At the end of the film I kinda wondered what the hell the point was in introducing him.. it was very interesting from animatrix and just went.. nowhere?
***SPOILERS!!!!!!!***?
Well, there it is anyway.
I felt that the Merovingian became a bit of a parody of himself in Revolutions.
Also, it was strange that the kid (one who got the zion doors open) was shown to be so important, and yet for no real reason. I mean they introduce him in Reloaded as some annoying kid. Then they show his back story in The Animatrix, and show that he managed to unplug from the matrix by will power alone.. something which really should have been explored more. From this I (along with many others, I think) thought that he'd be a very important character in Revolutions. As it turns out, he has a reasonable role but it was all real world stuff, nothing to do with his brilliant strength of mind within the matrix. At the end of the film I kinda wondered what the hell the point was in introducing him.. it was very interesting from animatrix and just went.. nowhere?
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I think I have the answer to all the unanswered questions:
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The trilogy is a pile of overated, hole-riden wank (except for the first). I suppose it's a bit like Highlander - a fantastic concept in the first film and a great story which would have stood brilliantly on its own, but they have to try and carry on the brilliance of the first and "finish off" the story only to drag it down into embaressing pish with a second and third.
That's my final opinion on the whole series. First rocked, second was average/dull; the third was laughable.
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The trilogy is a pile of overated, hole-riden wank (except for the first). I suppose it's a bit like Highlander - a fantastic concept in the first film and a great story which would have stood brilliantly on its own, but they have to try and carry on the brilliance of the first and "finish off" the story only to drag it down into embaressing pish with a second and third.
That's my final opinion on the whole series. First rocked, second was average/dull; the third was laughable.
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I thought it was great. Many rumours of a 4th. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was, just to answer a few questions to the die hard fans, who would find holes regardless. It was remarkably like a polo tho.
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********* SPOILERS ************
Personally I don't believe that there will, or should, be a 4th Matrix film. For a start, the 2 main characters are dead, which puts something of a damper on the proceedings.
However, I thought something similar after I watched Alien 3, and here we are with an Alien vs Predator film on the horizon.
Personally I don't believe that there will, or should, be a 4th Matrix film. For a start, the 2 main characters are dead, which puts something of a damper on the proceedings.
However, I thought something similar after I watched Alien 3, and here we are with an Alien vs Predator film on the horizon.
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If anyones watched Dragonball z, and thought it cool at first, but gradually got tired of it as the fight scenes just get dragged out all the time, and they never use their full power until 20 episodes in, then they'll probably feel the same way as me about Revolutions.
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Smith and Neo are flying through the fucking air at each other, and these huge explosions that rip the windows apart come out of their collision. Then they have a tiny little scrap in a little crater puddle. Neo can fucking stop bullets in mid air in the first matrix, where has all this power got to? Cant he do more of this telekenetic kind of moves anymore?
The APUs firing at the sentinels was silly, lets swarm around in a big crappy ball, and not just fly at the sodding things and rip the ****s to shreds. The setinels suiciding/shielding the diggers was cool though.
Neo is one thick fucker "So, we meet again Mr Anderson" or whatever, WHAT? WHO ARE YOU? ARGH IM ONE DUMB FUCKER! ARGH. Bane really did a very good impression of Smith, but he so wasn't used enough, he's arch nemesis, crossing an important boundary, and he kills a 3 line actor, has a bit of a scrap, and then dies.
Im not too bothered about neo getting all the powers in real life, I sorta have an explanation for that in my mind... but other plotty bits, hmm well
I didn't not enjoy it, but its just so annoying, grr, why couldn't the series have been as good as the first film. BLARG!
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Smith and Neo are flying through the fucking air at each other, and these huge explosions that rip the windows apart come out of their collision. Then they have a tiny little scrap in a little crater puddle. Neo can fucking stop bullets in mid air in the first matrix, where has all this power got to? Cant he do more of this telekenetic kind of moves anymore?
The APUs firing at the sentinels was silly, lets swarm around in a big crappy ball, and not just fly at the sodding things and rip the ****s to shreds. The setinels suiciding/shielding the diggers was cool though.
Neo is one thick fucker "So, we meet again Mr Anderson" or whatever, WHAT? WHO ARE YOU? ARGH IM ONE DUMB FUCKER! ARGH. Bane really did a very good impression of Smith, but he so wasn't used enough, he's arch nemesis, crossing an important boundary, and he kills a 3 line actor, has a bit of a scrap, and then dies.
Im not too bothered about neo getting all the powers in real life, I sorta have an explanation for that in my mind... but other plotty bits, hmm well
I didn't not enjoy it, but its just so annoying, grr, why couldn't the series have been as good as the first film. BLARG!
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he doesn't get 'teh powah' in real life!!
now watch it again and again till you understand!!
now watch it again and again till you understand!!
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Well, I enjoyed it overall. Following the massive, bloated mess that was Reloaded was never going to be easy, and it was done pretty well.
There were a lot of definite problems, but it's rather like the Conservatives being followed by New Labour - the latter trying to clean up the massive mess that was created by the former.
One thing I was really disappointed about was the fact that about 20 minutes after the start of this film, all the questions people had been asking for months (about Neo having power outside the Matrix, where he's gone etc.) were just wrapped up.
There was also some pretty bad acting. I mean, you never expect much from child actors but that girl was APPALLING. Also, the really good characters of the 2nd film (the programmes) really didn't have enough of a role.
The best thing was that I was actually really excited by it, particularly by the Smith-Neo confrontation at the end. Sentinels were scary (loved the way they made the face of the machine) and guns were back in (after a serious lapse in the 2nd film). Also Neo and Trinity flying up above the clouds and suddenly being hit by glorious sunshine was a really nice touch.
Definitely worth seeing (even if it means you have to sit through the 2nd film to follow the story).
That's all I was going to say.
There were a lot of definite problems, but it's rather like the Conservatives being followed by New Labour - the latter trying to clean up the massive mess that was created by the former.
One thing I was really disappointed about was the fact that about 20 minutes after the start of this film, all the questions people had been asking for months (about Neo having power outside the Matrix, where he's gone etc.) were just wrapped up.
There was also some pretty bad acting. I mean, you never expect much from child actors but that girl was APPALLING. Also, the really good characters of the 2nd film (the programmes) really didn't have enough of a role.
The best thing was that I was actually really excited by it, particularly by the Smith-Neo confrontation at the end. Sentinels were scary (loved the way they made the face of the machine) and guns were back in (after a serious lapse in the 2nd film). Also Neo and Trinity flying up above the clouds and suddenly being hit by glorious sunshine was a really nice touch.
Definitely worth seeing (even if it means you have to sit through the 2nd film to follow the story).
That's all I was going to say.
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You're talking utter penis
Where was there an exciting action scene in Revolutions like the car-chase or weapons fights from Reloaded.
Matrix > Reloaded >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolutions
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Can we all agree to agree that opinions are exactly that, and that lots of people liked Revolutions.
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Wij
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Damn your neo-liberal aesthetic relativism
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When it comes to the action scenes, I guess it just depends on what grabs you.
The main reason I much prefer the 3rd film is probably because it has more focus - less philosophising, less attempts at depicting love (which they really don't do very well), less lame attempts at humour, and just less general messing around.
EDIT: I just cut a lot of that because it was pointless.
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One question that I've been left with.
Is Smith many independent clones of himself, or a singular conscious?
E.g: He either clones himself onto the Oracle, or assimilates her. If it's a clone, then it's rather fortunate that that particular clone is the one who comes to take on Neo at the end. If it's a singular conscious, then the final scene where Smith assimilates Neo shouldn't require the assimilating Smith to ask whether that's it - he just needs to raise his eyebrows and go "bugger".
And in Reloaded, prior to the burly brawl, is he attempting to assimilate Neo then and fails? Or is he doing something else that happens to use the same CGI trick? If so, what?
-- I may not have enjoed the film much, but I'm still a nut for the series
Is Smith many independent clones of himself, or a singular conscious?
E.g: He either clones himself onto the Oracle, or assimilates her. If it's a clone, then it's rather fortunate that that particular clone is the one who comes to take on Neo at the end. If it's a singular conscious, then the final scene where Smith assimilates Neo shouldn't require the assimilating Smith to ask whether that's it - he just needs to raise his eyebrows and go "bugger".
And in Reloaded, prior to the burly brawl, is he attempting to assimilate Neo then and fails? Or is he doing something else that happens to use the same CGI trick? If so, what?
-- I may not have enjoed the film much, but I'm still a nut for the series
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He tried to assimilate Neo in Reloaded, but failed.
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I have to say I agree totally with this viewpoint. If you watch the first one in isolation (as I did the other day) it comes off as a genuine ground-breaking piece of cinematic art, and is deserving of the critical acclaim it received at the time. I guess that's because during the creative process neither the actors nor Wachoskis had any idea it would become as big as it subsequently did.
Even though the original plot is grandiose the dialogue and fight sequences all seem to serve a purpose, there's no feel of "we need a gratituitous fight sequence soon to bridge the gap between two scenes". Also, with the possible exception of the lobby scene in the first film the fights weren't overly exaggerated.. you got the feeling that Neo and co. really were trying to avoid the Agents as they meant certain death ("everyone who has stood their ground against an Agent has died").
For me Reloaded and Revolutions just look and feel like blatent cash-ins. It no longer feels like there was a genuine story that was always going to be told since the first film was created.. I get the impression that the Wachoskis saw how much hype/money the first film made and either through their own volition, or pressure from WB, cooked up some half-baked follow-on stories to feed to the masses, knowing full well that we'd lap it up like puppies due to the franchise hype.
In dialogue terms both Reloaded and Revolutions felt flat - almost as if the Wachoskis knew that no one cared anymore about it - they were going to watch the film anyway so why not just litter the films with pontificating self-important quasi-religious garbage. Again, watching the first film is a major culture shock in dialogue terms compared to the other two.
Oh yeah, and whats with the whole Meruvingian scene? This man is supposed to be a powerful noterary in the Matrix and Trinity just sticks a gun in his face and we're onto the next scene, with him (and more importantly Bellucci) never seen again.
Utter, utter tosh.
The SFX were good - predictably - but it wasn't long before the inevitable "one man vs impossible odds" (APU captain) and "plucky young kid becomes the saviour" staple-diet of most American blockbusters came to the fore. Predictable clichéd tosh.
The clearest comparison definitely is Highlander, as given above. The first Highlander had a great plot, good acting and direction. The subsequent monstrosities were blatent cash-ins which had nothing to offer whatsoever. Not unlike the Matrix Trilogy really.. the first film is good enough to stand on its own (and should've been left that way imo).
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Very much doubt it. I think Revolutions is going to be a monumental flop - the general public didn't a) like or b) get Reloaded, so they won't bother.
Put it this way - I saw it on the second night, it was in the smallest screen and it was only half full.
Personally, I did enjoy it. First half a bit too talky (a problem when the dialogue isn't exactly Withnail & I) but I did like it a lot. Gotta admit though, I don't get it.
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Durz! 
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The first was an exceptionally thought provoking and brilliant film.
The sequels were "merely" great action flicks.
I love the trilogy as a whole.
The sequels were "merely" great action flicks.
I love the trilogy as a whole.
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Another thing about the first matrix film.
This is not meant to offend or judge anyone. I think a lot of internet/irc users identified with the original Matrix 'cos Neo is portrayed to be joe public programmer who spends every night at his PC, looking at pr0n and downloading MP3s and using google to search for information on this world renound terrorist 'Morpheus'. Whilst i was a student, I really identified with this way of life and I think the fantasy of wiring into your PC to enjoy a virtual reality where i was no longer an irc dwelling geek but a shade wearing, kung fu master to defeat rogue programmes really appealed not only to myself but a vast majority of internet/irc/msn/PC users.
Additionally, the "matrix" that Mr Anderson is living in is very believable "real world" and we have no idea that it's computer generated world except that it's obvious they're not quite like other humans. Morpheus being a terrorist, the Agents effectively assuming the role of the FBI.
Then, this "geek" is saved by Morpheus but he can then tap back into the Matrix to be this uber cool hero that can kick everyones ass. Subsequently, this is what happens; he saves morpheus, he saves himself, he owns Agent Smith and the nerd triumphs.
So what is the Matrix? The Matrix is a computer generated dreamworld to control batteries of humans so that machines can use them as power. When Morpheus holds up the battery and says lines to the same effect, it all becomes so obvious and we think "what a fooking great concept". Wow, success.
Then, the next two films Neo is suddenly like a BY Admin - can own anyone and thinks he's above everyone else - that took away the triumph of Neo changing from "im a dull programmer who sleeps in" to the hero. Therefore, every fight scene with Neo was predictable which is why it was so boring to see extra long Neo fight scenes in Reloaded - we knew he had root, we knew he could bend the rules, so what's the point.
And of course, the novelty of mobile phones was present in the original Matrix: the Nokia 8110i.
The last two lacked anything new, anything original, anything interesting.
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This is not meant to offend or judge anyone. I think a lot of internet/irc users identified with the original Matrix 'cos Neo is portrayed to be joe public programmer who spends every night at his PC, looking at pr0n and downloading MP3s and using google to search for information on this world renound terrorist 'Morpheus'. Whilst i was a student, I really identified with this way of life and I think the fantasy of wiring into your PC to enjoy a virtual reality where i was no longer an irc dwelling geek but a shade wearing, kung fu master to defeat rogue programmes really appealed not only to myself but a vast majority of internet/irc/msn/PC users.
Additionally, the "matrix" that Mr Anderson is living in is very believable "real world" and we have no idea that it's computer generated world except that it's obvious they're not quite like other humans. Morpheus being a terrorist, the Agents effectively assuming the role of the FBI.
Then, this "geek" is saved by Morpheus but he can then tap back into the Matrix to be this uber cool hero that can kick everyones ass. Subsequently, this is what happens; he saves morpheus, he saves himself, he owns Agent Smith and the nerd triumphs.
So what is the Matrix? The Matrix is a computer generated dreamworld to control batteries of humans so that machines can use them as power. When Morpheus holds up the battery and says lines to the same effect, it all becomes so obvious and we think "what a fooking great concept". Wow, success.
Then, the next two films Neo is suddenly like a BY Admin - can own anyone and thinks he's above everyone else - that took away the triumph of Neo changing from "im a dull programmer who sleeps in" to the hero. Therefore, every fight scene with Neo was predictable which is why it was so boring to see extra long Neo fight scenes in Reloaded - we knew he had root, we knew he could bend the rules, so what's the point.
And of course, the novelty of mobile phones was present in the original Matrix: the Nokia 8110i.
The last two lacked anything new, anything original, anything interesting.
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I take it when you say flop you mean like Titanic or Independance day, films that earn plenty of money and then a load of vocal people with nothing better to do vote on a TV show and suggest that it was a flop
Gigli = Flop
Battlefield Earth = Flop
Titanic = Success
Matrix Trilogy = Success