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Oh. I was under the impression that you weren't going to like it
Oh. I was under the impression that you weren't going to like it
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Whatever gave you that idea?
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Good solid ending of a trilogy. No matter what they did they were going to get slated for not meeting someones expectations.
The effects looked better than in Reloaded, the story followed on well. Smith is a very good badass. I felt the ending had to be happy, I am sure people will read into it as they want, but my opinion is that Neo's human part is dead and he is now all machine -he was simply light as the machines are at the end.
I have to say the final battle was outstanding, bought back memories of the first film. Yes it was cheesy, but at least the ending wasn't humans winning everything (ala Independence Day).
Not sure what else to say about it, I would like to watch it a couple more times to see how I feel about it then.
Good solid ending of a trilogy. No matter what they did they were going to get slated for not meeting someones expectations.
The effects looked better than in Reloaded, the story followed on well. Smith is a very good badass. I felt the ending had to be happy, I am sure people will read into it as they want, but my opinion is that Neo's human part is dead and he is now all machine -he was simply light as the machines are at the end.
I have to say the final battle was outstanding, bought back memories of the first film. Yes it was cheesy, but at least the ending wasn't humans winning everything (ala Independence Day).
Not sure what else to say about it, I would like to watch it a couple more times to see how I feel about it then.
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MORE SPOILERS
Did you see (well of course you fecking saw it) that punch during the fight? Heh it was funny, and utterly cool and amazing, all at once. I thought Smith's head was going to break open!
Did you see (well of course you fecking saw it) that punch during the fight? Heh it was funny, and utterly cool and amazing, all at once. I thought Smith's head was going to break open!
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Just got back - screening from hell, projector packed up FOUR TIMES - got a free ticket out of it though.
So, any good?
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No. It was bollocks. Looked good, but still bollocks, more plot holes than a big thing with big holes in it (like if EMP stops all the robots, why not have an EMP device AT THE DOCK! FFS!) Shit, shit shit ending. I'm sorry, but ruuuuuuubish
So, any good?
SPOILER!SPOILER!SPOILER!SPOILER!SPOILER!SPOILER!SPOILER!
No. It was bollocks. Looked good, but still bollocks, more plot holes than a big thing with big holes in it (like if EMP stops all the robots, why not have an EMP device AT THE DOCK! FFS!) Shit, shit shit ending. I'm sorry, but ruuuuuuubish
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That's exactly what I thought, why not have all the ships lined up with charged EMPS?
Here they come!!! Zap...
Here come some more!!! Zap...
It's so obvious it leaves you wondering.
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If they release an EMP, the sentinels just return with a shit load of bombs, and all the dock defenses are offline....
Wasn't hard to figure it out, seeing how they discussed it in the film, eh?
Wasn't hard to figure it out, seeing how they discussed it in the film, eh?
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Big G watch the spoilers please. It's getting very irritating.
i.e dont bloody well quote spoilers without the warnings FFFFS
i.e dont bloody well quote spoilers without the warnings FFFFS
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Mowgli gets laid and fucks off.
Mowgli gets laid and fucks off.
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Firstly. Tom, thank you for pointing out that they should have payed attention before mouthing off.
Secondly. Most of the fleet was destroyed or damaged when Bane set off the EMP. This was discussed in Reloaded and Revolutions. The EMP would cripple all the equipmet that Zion had as well. The EMP's seem to be only fitted to the ships as a last line of defense. The EMP's would take down the ships as well, assuming they had more hidden soemwhere, so your idea of lining them up zapp zapping was a bit badly thought wasnt it?
Please use sodding ***************SPOILER************.
Tom. The punch on Msith was amazing, the sound the water droplets made as Neo's fist crashed through them, the imprint of his fist on Smiths face. Outstanding effect, got a nice "woah" and cheer from the people in the cinema I was in.
Big G, you proved a point about the ending. Its never going to please everyone, especially those who refuse to listen to and accept the plot elements they chuck at you.
Firstly. Tom, thank you for pointing out that they should have payed attention before mouthing off.
Secondly. Most of the fleet was destroyed or damaged when Bane set off the EMP. This was discussed in Reloaded and Revolutions. The EMP would cripple all the equipmet that Zion had as well. The EMP's seem to be only fitted to the ships as a last line of defense. The EMP's would take down the ships as well, assuming they had more hidden soemwhere, so your idea of lining them up zapp zapping was a bit badly thought wasnt it?
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Tom. The punch on Msith was amazing, the sound the water droplets made as Neo's fist crashed through them, the imprint of his fist on Smiths face. Outstanding effect, got a nice "woah" and cheer from the people in the cinema I was in.
Big G, you proved a point about the ending. Its never going to please everyone, especially those who refuse to listen to and accept the plot elements they chuck at you.
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Thats always what gets me people just say "Oh that film was shit cos of the huge plot holes" when 9 times out of 10 they haven't thought about it or watched the film properly, if it wasn't your kinda film fine but don't go slating the writers cos you weren't watching properly 
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At the end of the film...Keanu wakes up and says
"Bill! I just had the most excellent dream!"
At the end of the film...Keanu wakes up and says
"Bill! I just had the most excellent dream!"
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lol
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The scene (someone said it was a copy of the lobby scene), I thought was top. It was shorter but I liked the walking on the ceiling
I was under the impression that the programs who met at the end were the only programs left and as such the matrix is starting a new properly.
As for the emp thing there's a conversation about it. Along the lines of 'If we use the EMP we will lose the dock. (other guy) Are you sure we haven't lost it already? (que shot of all-hell breaking loose at the dock.
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Originally posted by PR.
Thats always what gets me people just say "Oh that film was shit cos of the huge plot holes" when 9 times out of 10 they haven't thought about it or watched the film properly, if it wasn't your kinda film fine but don't go slating the writers cos you weren't watching properly
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Sorry, that's crap. That's just stupidity as a plot device. The EMP was their last line of defence; THEY USED IT! If that method is your last line of defence you don't only have it on the ships and then let all the ships f*ck off! Its an utterly lame plot device! If EMP was so useful against the sentinels you'd build it right into your defences - you'd have shells around Zion and as each shell was breached - hit the EMP, wipe out a million or two sentinels, fall back to the next one.
Also, the whole Oracle thing was just mumbo-jumbo to extend the running time of the film, which is always bad plotting; the threat from Smith could actually have been resolved at several stages earlier in the film (or even the film before) given what actually happened at the end.
Very disappointing - it was just such a dull an unimaginative explanation.
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I was surprised by the amount of people sat behind be that shouted out "Bollocks" at the end. My Ex even got quite worked up about the bad ending. Oh well, I thought it was a good action flick, but had nowhere near the impact the first one had on me. Pretty lame ending if you ask me. Think I'll just watch the Animatrix again.
I was surprised by the amount of people sat behind be that shouted out "Bollocks" at the end. My Ex even got quite worked up about the bad ending. Oh well, I thought it was a good action flick, but had nowhere near the impact the first one had on me. Pretty lame ending if you ask me. Think I'll just watch the Animatrix again.
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I thought the ending was good. I don't see why it could be called shit. What would you want to happen? This way there's still hope which is kinda one of the main themes of the series.
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I think i was too switched off about an hour into the film tbh :sleeping:
And leggy: soz mate
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the endings a mindfuck if you followed the plot all the way through, like "how the hell" and "what the?" was all that was muttered when everybody left the cinema at the end.
im still trying to figure out how, why, well, what, and "muh?"
oh and they all dont die, but if you watched the movie you would have known that already, as is clear at the very end (i.e. last 5 minutes)
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the endings a mindfuck if you followed the plot all the way through, like "how the hell" and "what the?" was all that was muttered when everybody left the cinema at the end.
im still trying to figure out how, why, well, what, and "muh?"
oh and they all dont die, but if you watched the movie you would have known that already, as is clear at the very end (i.e. last 5 minutes)
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Originally posted by Big G
I think i was too switched off about an hour into the film tbh :sleeping:
And leggy: soz mate
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lol I had already seen it so I wasn't really that bothered. I should have used a smilie
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Spolier obv
For me this film was about the fact that the programs in the matrix aren't all against humans. Some are on the humans side, other just don't care and only a small minority are against. I would like to see more animatrix stuff actually
For me this film was about the fact that the programs in the matrix aren't all against humans. Some are on the humans side, other just don't care and only a small minority are against. I would like to see more animatrix stuff actually
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*even more spoilers - skip this post if you dont want to get really messed up*
thats one thing my mate commented on, they will need to make another Animatrix to help explain those "black holes" in the story.
did you not notice when Agent Smith was with the oracle, she referred to him as "son"
its like, explain that one please mr director person!
i loved the evil manical laugh right after that scene with Agent Smith tho
thats one thing my mate commented on, they will need to make another Animatrix to help explain those "black holes" in the story.
did you not notice when Agent Smith was with the oracle, she referred to him as "son"
its like, explain that one please mr director person!i loved the evil manical laugh right after that scene with Agent Smith tho
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That's an easy one. Basically, between the architect and the oracle they balance out the Matrix. So when Neo became the one there had to be an opposite. So ina way she created him, hence the son bit.
The laugh was very Jack Nicholson as well
Originally posted by Insane
did you not notice when Agent Smith was with the oracle, she referred to him as "son"
That's an easy one. Basically, between the architect and the oracle they balance out the Matrix. So when Neo became the one there had to be an opposite. So ina way she created him, hence the son bit.
The laugh was very Jack Nicholson as well
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Originally posted by whipped
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That's an easy one. Basically, between the architect and the oracle they balance out the Matrix. So when Neo became the one there had to be an opposite. So ina way she created him, hence the son bit.
The laugh was very Jack Nicholson as well
Also the oracle admits that her function is to create 'chaos' in the matrix. It harks back to the speak from the architect when he said that a perfect matrix didn't work. The Architect is designed to attempt to perfect the matrix (balance the equation) and the oracle is designed to unbalance it. So by helping neo she knew (coz she's the oracle) that she'd be creating Mr smith (or changing him).
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not quite imo. the one and smith have to be almost exactly alike (or should that be opposite) for the code merge to happen. note that they are continually upgrading and changing themselves (oa the cookie, the candy, neo in smith and smith in neo). once they are the same, they cancel each other out and the "big matrix" returns to a stable state. because of this the "little matrix" (or perhaps more aptly the recycle bin hehe) doesn't have to be purged before the big reboot if you will. said "reboot" will have happend several times for each different "release" of the matrix, each with a "one" and anti-one striving to keep the balance. you get several hints on this throughout the films (the architect and smith both mention it, as does the oracle). one thing I'm not quite clear on is how certain programs (oracle, architect, seraph, merv, train guy, keymaker) survive reboots. perhaps they're in non volatile memory or something? on thing I'm sure of is that "seraph" is from the very first matrix. he is, for all intents and purposes, an angel. the architect describes the first matrix, and the guardians to Merv's nightclub (or "hell" perhaps?) both note that Seraph isn't what he seems to be, ie. "hey, he has no wings!". Also he has golden code, (as does the girl who eats Merv's desert program -ooherr not sure what she is other than a serious lover of chocolate torte- while all others in this part of the matrix have green code. </dump>
I liked it, but there were some things that grated my nerves a bit:
the hammering on quasi-religi-mystisism, the blindness of Lock, the ghost twins, the ending. things I really liked: the punch -nice one, and a segment from the "end battle" where neo and smith both zoom up in the air: the camera suddenly moves down toward the characters and the rain stops moving, frozen in the sky. why? because the camera is moving down at the same speed hhe rain is falling. brilliant
not quite imo. the one and smith have to be almost exactly alike (or should that be opposite) for the code merge to happen. note that they are continually upgrading and changing themselves (oa the cookie, the candy, neo in smith and smith in neo). once they are the same, they cancel each other out and the "big matrix" returns to a stable state. because of this the "little matrix" (or perhaps more aptly the recycle bin hehe) doesn't have to be purged before the big reboot if you will. said "reboot" will have happend several times for each different "release" of the matrix, each with a "one" and anti-one striving to keep the balance. you get several hints on this throughout the films (the architect and smith both mention it, as does the oracle). one thing I'm not quite clear on is how certain programs (oracle, architect, seraph, merv, train guy, keymaker) survive reboots. perhaps they're in non volatile memory or something? on thing I'm sure of is that "seraph" is from the very first matrix. he is, for all intents and purposes, an angel. the architect describes the first matrix, and the guardians to Merv's nightclub (or "hell" perhaps?) both note that Seraph isn't what he seems to be, ie. "hey, he has no wings!". Also he has golden code, (as does the girl who eats Merv's desert program -ooherr not sure what she is other than a serious lover of chocolate torte- while all others in this part of the matrix have green code. </dump>
I liked it, but there were some things that grated my nerves a bit:
the hammering on quasi-religi-mystisism, the blindness of Lock, the ghost twins, the ending. things I really liked: the punch -nice one, and a segment from the "end battle" where neo and smith both zoom up in the air: the camera suddenly moves down toward the characters and the rain stops moving, frozen in the sky. why? because the camera is moving down at the same speed hhe rain is falling. brilliant
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One thing I've just thought about. Since there's been more than one confrontation between order (smith) and chaos(neo) then how many times as each won? I was thinking that upon reboot whoever wins gets to change something fundamental about the matrix. So at the end of this one the oracle says 'so what about those who don't want to stay, can they leave?' <The colonel>'Of course' (pissed off face).
It's like a debate or even cyclic error-checking. When it all goes wrong what ever caused the 'crash' is solved therefore less chance of things 'crashing'. This would then lead to each successing matrix lasting longer than the previous one. As for why processes survive I consider it that the architect is responsible for getting the matrix up and running after a crash so he decides who to keep in. Only processes that are fundamental stay in (the girl made the sun rise at the end.).
It's like a debate or even cyclic error-checking. When it all goes wrong what ever caused the 'crash' is solved therefore less chance of things 'crashing'. This would then lead to each successing matrix lasting longer than the previous one. As for why processes survive I consider it that the architect is responsible for getting the matrix up and running after a crash so he decides who to keep in. Only processes that are fundamental stay in (the girl made the sun rise at the end.).
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Think about this as an alternative ending. Neo destroys the matrix and the machines are forced to allow all 6 billion people to wake up. Now what?! Zion in ruins and there is not one ship to pick them up, most of those 6billion would die, so they are dependant on the machines and as people decide they want out they move to Zion
Think about this as an alternative ending. Neo destroys the matrix and the machines are forced to allow all 6 billion people to wake up. Now what?! Zion in ruins and there is not one ship to pick them up, most of those 6billion would die, so they are dependant on the machines and as people decide they want out they move to Zion
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isn't the point of it that it's a symbiotic relationship? The machines need the humans and (as said above the humans need the machines? Also would zion cope with all the world decamping to zion? I doubt it myself. Basically the matrix is a much better life than out of the matrix. Even if it isn't the truth.
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the human><machine mutual dependance is pointed out by the Councilmember to Neo in a rather heavy-handed fashion after N. gets to Zion. however, iirc the Architect tells Neo that the machines are -more or less- willing to do without humans after being accused that the machines need humans more than humans need machines.
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And the mutant Wookie eating Llama birds?
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Yup.
I thought it was excellent, better than Reloaded, and on a par at least with the first film.
*****SPOILERS FFS!*****
Trinity's death was a bit severe, and Neo's ultimate fate after the Smith fight is still hazy.
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Other than that I was most satisfied.