Battlefield 3 Beta

[MYstIC G]

Don't give credit to origin!

 

[Ctuchik]

Don't give credit to origin!

I like Origin, it doesn't rape my wallet when i want to buy a game from it..

 

[Agell]

It isn't origin specific, but over here games are darned expensive $80 for BF3, 100 for ME3

 

[MYstIC G]

I like Origin, it doesn't rape my wallet when i want to buy a game from it..

Really? Example?

 

[Ctuchik]

Well, for example DA2 on origin (well EA download as it were) were at release ~400 SEK, on steam it would have costed me a tad over 550 SEK.

The exact same version.

Why? Because EA uses local currencies, Steam does not.

So ner....

 

[Mabs]

thats nothing to do with Valve tho
EA will tell them "sell DA2 at 100 SEK", while THEY sell it at 95SEK

publishers set the prices, not valve

 

[Ctuchik]

Sure, but ~£13 difference?

Now i don't mind Valve selling for a tad more, because after all it does cost them to run Steam and do all the work on it and stuff.

But it's not only origin versus Steam here, some of the games Steam sell are up to 60% more expensive then on other digital distribution sites like D2D or GamersGate... And that's without any sale campaigns.

But anyway, i've been comparing prices between Origin and Steam here for the past 10 minutes, and i haven't found a game that overpriced on Steam so far on EA's newer games, so maybe DA2 were an exception...

 

[DaGaffer]

thats nothing to do with Valve tho
EA will tell them "sell DA2 at 100 SEK", while THEY sell it at 95SEK

publishers set the prices, not valve

No they don't. Publishers set the buy price, Valve apply a margin and set the "retail" price. Steam isn't too bad if you're paying in Sterling but they rape you in Euros.

 

[Mabs]

well yes but i mean its not 100% valves fault, people think they are in 100% control of the pricing

and for some reason, they operate 1$ = 1euro

 

[DaGaffer]

well yes but i mean its not 100% valves fault, people think they are in 100% control of the pricing

and for some reason, they operate 1$ = 1euro

...which publishers don't do, so it is Valve's fault. The other issue is that Valve don't make any competitive allowance for local VAT rates (no sales tax for online products in the US), so when you apply a bad exchange rate to local VAT you make the situation worse.

 

[Embattle]

Battlefield 3 | Caspian Border Gameplay - YouTube

 

[Uncle Sick]

Battlefield 3 | Caspian Border Gameplay - YouTube

Just, just watched that full screen, 1080p... and cried a little. Origin or not, will buy it for sure.

 

[Deebs]

Wow, goosebumps just watching that.

 

[old.Tohtori]

...which publishers don't do, so it is Valve's fault. The other issue is that Valve don't make any competitive allowance for local VAT rates (no sales tax for online products in the US), so when you apply a bad exchange rate to local VAT you make the situation worse.

Then again, might be that the pricing in € is fine, but the $ get it cheaper.

It's all in your own perspective really, once you start thinking i "but he gets it for x", you are bound to get pissed.

 

[DaGaffer]

Wow, goosebumps just watching that.

It is looking rather nice isn't it?

Then again, might be that the pricing in € is fine, but the $ get it cheaper.

It's all in your own perspective really, once you start thinking i "but he gets it for x", you are bound to get pissed.

Except you already have the direct comparison of physical retail and Valve's Euro prices are high in comparison to those.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Except you already have the direct comparison of physical retail and Valve's Euro prices are high in comparison to those.

The point being that the only ripoff price is the one you feel is ripping you off.

Per example the Fallout; NV DLCs were 9.99€/pop. I felt it's fine and other regions getting it cheaper wouldn't bother me at all. HEll, even if US got the DLC for free, it wouldn't bother me as i only regard the price in comparison to my wallet.

 

[DaGaffer]

The point being that the only ripoff price is the one you feel is ripping you off.

Per example the Fallout; NV DLCs were 9.99€/pop. I felt it's fine and other regions getting it cheaper wouldn't bother me at all. HEll, even if US got the DLC for free, it wouldn't bother me as i only regard the price in comparison to my wallet.

No, you're missing the point. Steam prices inside the Eurozone are high compared to other sales channels inside the Eurozone. Its not just that they're a ripoff compared to UK and US Steam prices, they're a ripoff compared to walking down the road to your local GAME or Gamestop, and the % gap between Steam Euro prices and retail Euro prices is bigger than the gap between Steam Sterling prices and retail Sterling prices. Its not a matter of perspective, its a matter of absolute numbers; New release Steam in Euros is just about the most expensive way you could buy a PC game anywhere.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It also saves me the work of walking down(taking a 30min busride) to the city centre, find the shop that sells the product and then hiking back home, without any wait outside the minimal download.

Worth the extra buck or two.

But still it comes down to perspective; if you feel it's an ok price, it simply is. There's no universal price census.

 

[DaGaffer]

It also saves me the work of walking down(taking a 30min busride) to the city centre, find the shop that sells the product and then hiking back home, without any wait outside the minimal download.

Worth the extra buck or two.

But still it comes down to perspective; if you feel it's an ok price, it simply is. There's no universal price census.

Fine, but I have a UK credit card and an Irish (euro) credit card. Ain't no fuckin way I'm buying anything off Steam with the Euro one when all I need is a proxy server to use my UK card from Ireland (just for the payment; once done you don't need the proxy to do the actual d/l.) And I recommend to any foreign types, next time you're in the UK, pick up an O2 prepay credit card while you're there, load up some credit, and you'll never need to get ripped off by Steam again.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Good idea really, might pop in the UK this year so have to remember that

 

[Ctuchik]

Fine, but I have a UK credit card and an Irish (euro) credit card. Ain't no fuckin way I'm buying anything off Steam with the Euro one when all I need is a proxy server to use my UK card from Ireland (just for the payment; once done you don't need the proxy to do the actual d/l.) And I recommend to any foreign types, next time you're in the UK, pick up an O2 prepay credit card while you're there, load up some credit, and you'll never need to get ripped off by Steam again.

Only problem is if Valve finds out they will guaranteed ban your account.

And not just ban you from online play, they will nuke the account entirely.

How much will you save if that happens?

 

[DaGaffer]

Only problem is if Valve finds out they will guaranteed ban your account.

And not just ban you from online play, they will nuke the account entirely.

How much will you save if that happens?

No they won't. If they cared about that they'd lock down play as well as billing. Fact is, I'm perfectly entitled to pay in Sterling; I have a UK bank account, a UK address, and I'm from the UK, I just happen not to live there, but if I went 60KMs up the road and logged in, I'd be back in the UK. All I'm doing is exercising my rights as an EU citizen.

 

[Ctuchik]

If that were the case you'd have the option to pay in sterling or euro in the client, or it would not change as you still have the UK address registered on steam (i hope)..

It's where you currently are that matters, not where you are legally registered.

Alternatively:

can I buy from UK steam !? [Archive] - Steam Users' Forums

I'm speaking with experience (having lived abroad), so...

You cannot buy from the UK store, unless you are currently on holiday/living in the UK (and your credit card is set up to make international purchases).

By using a UK proxy server or VPN (to pretend that you're physically located in the UK), I'm fairly sure that you're breaking the Steam Subscriber Agreement and risk having your account disabled.

And you are not physically in the UK.

No clue what "and your credit card is set up to make international purchases" means tho...

all i know is that VPN's/Proxy's are not allowed no matter what.

I tried oogling over their EULA but i couldn't even get past half of it without getting a headache because of the horrible text/background color combination...

 

[megadave]

That trailer... I can't wait

 

[Mabs]

its easy to bypass the steam zone controls
so you pay in X or Y currency.. live in germany ? can get the full gore versions.. etc etc

just get someone in X or Y zone to gift it to you, you get "their" version at their price .

 

[DaGaffer]

its easy to bypass the steam zone controls
so you pay in X or Y currency.. live in germany ? can get the full gore versions.. etc etc

just get someone in X or Y zone to gift it to you, you get "their" version at their price .

Yeah, I've done it that way as well; got my brother to do it for me.

 

[Mabs]

looks like BF3 is getting more and more pish :/


The Escapist : News : PC Battlefield 3 Lacks Key FPS Feature

 

[Krazeh]

The server browser is such a ridiculous thing for people to be getting worked up about. It worked extremely well in the alpha and meant that I could be ingame and playing far quicker than I could be in BC2.

 

[Mabs]

normal game :
launch it... open server browser.. find server ...play.. open server browser.. find server... play.. quit

BF3:
launch origin...use it to open internet browser to find server.. find server.."play"..wait for BF3 to launch... actually play... quit ..open origin... use it to relaunch browser..find server... "play"..wait for BF3 to start up..


which is easier ?

 

[Krazeh]

normal game :
launch it... open server browser.. find server ...play.. open server browser.. find server... play.. quit

BF3:
launch origin...use it to open internet browser to find server.. find server.."play"..wait for BF3 to launch... actually play... quit ..open origin... use it to relaunch browser..find server... "play"..wait for BF3 to start up..


which is easier ?

You only need to load Origin if for some reason you've decided that it using a couple of meg of memory and no processor time is too "resource intensive" to have it running in teh background and you open a browser window and log into battlelog once at the start of your gaming session. Why would you close hte browser window down each time you connect to a server? BF3 loads from the browser into an actual playable state in the same sort of time as a game like BC2 loads from the ingame server browser and it quits back out in the same time as BC2 takes to disconnect and dump you back at the menu. You don't spend any extra time waiting and in fact probably spend less time between deciding you want to play and actually getting into a game.