Adding: why is it such an issue?

[Dorimor1]

A guildgroup should be good enough not to add, it is understandable if PuGs add. However this doesn't make it any more acceptable imo.

 

[Muylaetrix]

i don`t use irc.

i don`t use msn.

i hardly use TS.

i don`t even have vent installed.

75 % of the times i solo (not often, lol) and i get an add, i am glad a realmate saved my arse.
25 % of the time i am glad to SHARE rp with the person who provided some unneeded help.

I`ve never ever felt unhappy because a realmmate HELPED me a bit.

also, around bridges, it is often hard to make a quick estimate of how many people are actually involved.

a 1 on 1 with 3 people watching, can appear just as a free for all fight at first glance.

for me this is the game of adding and zerging. for me, they are game mechanics and sound strategies. to outnumber, outrun, out-RealmRank are all essential parts of the game, getting upset over it only tells me the person who got upset has `strange` expectations of a MMorpg based on large scale combat.

often i`ll just watch when i see a one vs one, but that doesn`t guarantee all people in my group will stand by idle and watch too.

if i see 2 enemies fighting one realm mate, i`ll probably try kill one of the two and see how things go from there.

it also depends on my mood.

it also depends upon who is involved. if is see kagato fighting a tank or stealher, i`ll probably just watch (unless he is fighting a bonedancer or something similar).

the ONLY thing that doesn`t fail to get me angry is people hurling abuse at me or dictating me how to (not) play the game, at which point i can become rather unreasonable.

 

[Accupuncture]

i don`t use irc.

i don`t use msn.

i hardly use TS.

i don`t even have vent installed.

75 % of the times i solo (not often, lol) and i get an add, i am glad a realmate saved my arse.
25 % of the time i am glad to SHARE rp with the person who provided some unneeded help.

I`ve never ever felt unhappy because a realmmate HELPED me a bit.

also, around bridges, it is often hard to make a quick estimate of how many people are actually involved.

a 1 on 1 with 3 people watching, can appear just as a free for all fight at first glance.

for me this is the game of adding and zerging. for me, they are game mechanics and sound strategies. to outnumber, outrun, out-RealmRank are all essential parts of the game, getting upset over it only tells me the person who got upset has `strange` expectations of a MMorpg based on large scale combat.

often i`ll just watch when i see a one vs one, but that doesn`t guarantee all people in my group will stand by idle and watch too.

if i see 2 enemies fighting one realm mate, i`ll probably try kill one of the two and see how things go from there.

it also depends on my mood.

it also depends upon who is involved. if is see kagato fighting a tank or stealher, i`ll probably just watch (unless he is fighting a bonedancer or something similar).

the ONLY thing that doesn`t fail to get me angry is people hurling abuse at me or dictating me how to (not) play the game, at which point i can become rather unreasonable.

Well said !!!!

 

[raid]

for me this is the game of adding and zerging. for me, they are game mechanics and sound strategies. to outnumber, outrun, out-RealmRank are all essential parts of the game, getting upset over it only tells me the person who got upset has `strange` expectations of a MMorpg based on large scale combat.

killing everything on sight can be fun too, especially if realm population is balanced - then everyone would get zerged and saved by realmmates as much by average. i think OF was much more like this, but these days it's usually clearly 1 realm dominating the numbers.

have to also remember that daoc players regardless of the realm form a kind of community, your enemies are real people behind fictional characters... by letting them have fair fights where they have chance to win makes game more fun for them. and having population in a certain rvr zone more balanced between realms results in better rvr for everyone.

 

[Muylaetrix]

killing everything on sight can be fun too, especially if realm population is balanced - then everyone would get zerged and saved by realmmates as much by average. i think OF was much more like this, but these days it's usually clearly 1 realm dominating the numbers.

realm population was never balanced, not in OF, not now. Albs always had superior numbers, mids have always been second when it comes to numbers, hibs have always been last.

have to also remember that daoc players regardless of the realm form a kind of community, your enemies are real people behind fictional characters...

yes, and it is, last time i checked at least, the concept of thegame is to further he cause of your own realm, which is generally achieved by killing those fictional characters belonging to players of a diff realm.

by letting them have fair fights where they have chance to win makes game more fun for them.

define fair fight. rr 10 vs rr 1, bonedancer/necro/(some other classes) vs a tank/stealher, pug vs optimised GG ?

there is no such thing as a fair fight in daoc imho.

 

[Light]

Don't think the intention of this thread was to have the same old justification of adding rant all over again.

Even think I saw the old "DAoC is Realm vs Realm meights!" argument again, or perhaps it is just burned into my eyes.

exactly my thoughts

 

[rvn]

I think I agree with most of this. The only thing is how much skill is involved in most DAOC fights? I know in 1on1 fights, a lot is down to who gets the first hit, but also a lot is down to what you have up at the time, timered abilities, resistances, templates etc.

yes well, 1on1 is alot of random factors and item timers, and have been for a while. (this is why i never can stand to solo more than 15min, as i know i can allways in some situation loose, whatever i do )

in group vs group, its skill, and teamwork, and most of the "opted" groups have simular templates, even if there ofcourse are several random factors in this game (cant even compare to quake games for example ).

and fighting zerg imo, is a very fun part of the game, even if you most of the time get zerged, but when you manage to pull the 8vs24 fights off, or in old frontiers when you could kill huge zergs (8vs 60 - 70) it was really an experience. Abit like serious sam coop ^^

oh and nothing is fair in life!

 

[ebenezer]

exactly my thoughts

my thoughts was...oh no...do we have to see the justification for abusing people again

 

[ambera]

90% of the posts in this thread are off topic. This is not about whether you add/don't add, or approve of adding or not, or who adds on you or whether you care. Those arguments have been done to death fgs. Read the original post, answer the question, or go start your own thread.

 

[Novamir]

I'm bored and apparently you people can't be trusted to start interesting/contoversial topics while im browsing at college so i thought id make one myself.

you can only make a topic as long as flim approves of its content.

 

[Soazak]

Playing games like CS, TFC, NS and other halflife mods, as well as other MMOs like Legend of Mir/Planetside, it is still possible to get added on, in the sense that you can be shooting/hitting someone, and another person can come up and start pileing into you as well. The only difference is; when it happens to me in the above games, i never seem to care.

dunno if its been said as i didnt read the thread...(winn0r)

but adding wouldnt be the same as shooting someone elses target, i think what you've described is assisting.

Adding would be the CS/HL/TFC equiv of playing a game 20 versus 10 etc.

in FPS u get WTJers (winning team joining) who will unbalance the numbers to play the team which is winning, which ppl cry about more than they do on daoc



i've also encountered it in Planetside, people will try cap a base with 1 squad, if another realm m8 turns up they leech your xp!

Personally, i hate it, as i prefer to play for fun, i like fights where either side has the chance to win, and personal effort makes more of a difference, rather than just outnumbering your opponent which is a bit Zzzzz

 

[Vodkafairy]

just wanna adress what you said about arumi earlier that made me think.
I have spoken to arumi a few times, and i read his posts many times. And im sure you have as well. He is a very decent and friendly bloke, never abuse anyone, and seems very mature. Now...can you tell me why i would have more respect for a guy i never met, and seems like a complete asshole from what i read on these boards, when im on my hero. I have tons of more respect for the way arumi acts and plays then for many of the soloers i met. No matter what he plays, cause i know he is a good guy. I dont get respect for a person just cause he spares me and not add...or cause he bows to me. That just makes me know we enjoy playing alike, but in my head im thinking...oh that guy...he is a complete asshole from what i read on the boards..or from what i have heard about his behaviour. Ofc there are many people i meet that i do like and that plays alike.
I just have a hard time hearing people here om these boards believing that playstyle have anything with how they are. And its extremly imature and narrowminded to believe such a thing. Its that kind of generalisation and thinking that starts racism and other discrimination( taken it to extreme).
Dividing people and abusing without even knowing them.
I think ur better then that vodka..
over and out..

last time i checked this forum is about daoc though, not about peoples RL personalities. if there would be a meet with every single one id gladly shake anyones hand or have a beer with them, no matter what they did ingame. infact its kinda fun to put everything in context and take the piss out of eachother in a friendly way for what they have done ingame, been there and done that

there is no add-whine or much add-frustration if you play daoc "the way its meant to be played", ie, in sieges. a fg steamrolling every single enemy trying to reach the keep under attack, nobody will really whine about. its basic tactics to intercept all of them.

but fact is sieges so rarely happen people find other things to do. some do this by finding a huge amount of challenge in 8v8, 1v1, some do this by blatant rpwhoring. this game wasnt designed for 8v8 or 1v1, unless the rare coincidental encounter, but nor was it for hundreds of people to camp around the bridge waiting to tear apart the poor soloer trying to be in the area.

people realised 8v8/1v1 can be so intense and so much fun that they seek for it almost all the time when they rvr, and when you finally have one of those fights, someone comes and fucks it up just because they want some rps.

"cause its an enemy". that excuse only works until you have actually been in one of those close fights. as censi said, most people who tried to solo on a melee char completely changed their playstyle and ditched their mages or atleast stopped adding with them. yet still there are some who knows what it is to have a good fight (ruined), and still they bring out their mages to intentionally fuck them up for as many he can find.

in the end everyone can play however they like, just as people are allowed to whine however they like. best was when i got whined at for "adding" when i killed a hunter on a keep wall, in a huge siege.

 

[Konah]

now its a little harder, as most of them are higher rr, and have caught up a bit in the "skill level" or what you call it.

what i call it is a more balanced game, note: more balanced, not balanced. coulda put 8 lightly-trained monkeys behind the keyboards in the stungard or pre-nerf zerk/savage days and won most fights.

 

[ebenezer]

"cause its an enemy". that excuse only works until you have actually been in one of those close fights. as censi said, most people who tried to solo on a melee char completely changed their playstyle and ditched their mages or atleast stopped adding with them. yet still there are some who knows what it is to have a good fight (ruined), and still they bring out their mages to intentionally fuck them up for as many he can find.

its good to hear that you can seperate real world from the game
But the above quote here also made me realise that you might have a deeper involvment then some poeple that plays it have. As you say some people had thos nice close encounters and happely relive them....but since they dont take the game so seriously maybe they dont feel as they are fucking up or making a grief for someone else when they after logg their caster and kills a soloer, basicly cause they dont feel so much frustration when it happends to them. And i think that is one of the keys to all the whine as i said before. People are so addicted to the game that they actually feel almost hostility when they get killed. And thats were it allready crossed the line...its like football hooligans that gets to blow over football^^ the casual play that still have as much fun while soloing or whatever just doesnt feel that anger cause they are not as involved^^
So from your point of view they are fucking up for someone.....but....from his point of view its just a game and thinks you should get over it after a few secs. see what i mean.?
And imo they have the more sane view of it...cause they never abuse someone over it. Im totally neutral in all this. i solo most of the time on sol, and love it. But whats making me debate it and finding me more on the adders side though i dont really agree at all times to the way the play, is that they most of the time have a less extreme view of the game...and dont abuse people the way the other side have.
Anyhow, i know you seem to have a bit more relaxed view of game.
And indeed its a forum about daoc ad not rl..but you and all others know that some words/abuse go a bit further then that^^ And thats when it has nothing to do with the game anymore
Bottom line...have fun(rant over).
over and out..

 

[Muylaetrix]

As you say some people had thos nice close encounters and happely relive them....but since they dont take the game so seriously maybe they dont feel as they are fucking up or making a grief for someone else when they after logg their caster and kills a soloer, basicly cause they dont feel so much frustration when it happends to them. And i think that is one of the keys to all the whine as i said before. People are so addicted to the game that they actually feel almost hostility when they get killed. And thats were it allready crossed the line...its like football hooligans that gets to blow over football^^ the casual play that still have as much fun while soloing or whatever just doesnt feel that anger cause they are not as involved^^
So from your point of view they are fucking up for someone.....but....from his point of view its just a game and thinks you should get over it after a few secs. see what i mean.?
And imo they have the more sane view of it...cause they never abuse someone over it. Im totally neutral in all this. i solo most of the time on sol, and love it. But whats making me debate it and finding me more on the adders side though i dont really agree at all times to the way the play, is that they most of the time have a less extreme view of the game...and dont abuse people the way the other side have.
Anyhow, i know you seem to have a bit more relaxed view of game.
And indeed its a forum about daoc ad not rl..but you and all others know that some words/abuse go a bit further then that^^ And thats when it has nothing to do with the game anymore
Bottom line...have fun(rant over).
over and out..

:worthy:

 

[Vodkafairy]

its good to hear that you can seperate real world from the game
But the above quote here also made me realise that you might have a deeper involvment then some poeple that plays it have. As you say some people had thos nice close encounters and happely relive them....but since they dont take the game so seriously maybe they dont feel as they are fucking up or making a grief for someone else when they after logg their caster and kills a soloer, basicly cause they dont feel so much frustration when it happends to them. And i think that is one of the keys to all the whine as i said before. People are so addicted to the game that they actually feel almost hostility when they get killed. And thats were it allready crossed the line...its like football hooligans that gets to blow over football^^ the casual play that still have as much fun while soloing or whatever just doesnt feel that anger cause they are not as involved^^
So from your point of view they are fucking up for someone.....but....from his point of view its just a game and thinks you should get over it after a few secs. see what i mean.?
And imo they have the more sane view of it...cause they never abuse someone over it. Im totally neutral in all this. i solo most of the time on sol, and love it. But whats making me debate it and finding me more on the adders side though i dont really agree at all times to the way the play, is that they most of the time have a less extreme view of the game...and dont abuse people the way the other side have.
Anyhow, i know you seem to have a bit more relaxed view of game.
And indeed its a forum about daoc ad not rl..but you and all others know that some words/abuse go a bit further then that^^ And thats when it has nothing to do with the game anymore
Bottom line...have fun(rant over).
over and out..

well yeah i get your point, when people start shouting die irl just because of something in daoc it gets completely out of control. a bit of hostility is just fine imo, aslong as people realise at the end of the day that daoc really isn't something to hold grudges over.

maybe it's just bad gamedesign, i think the majority of this whine could be prevented if all the "casuals" had something better to do in rvr then camp bridges.

if there is a siege pretty much all of them go there, leaving crau/bled/beno area free for true soloers.

the biggest problem with NF is that there are so few roads people actually travel. in OF it took a while to get from dl to emain, or from apk to amg, etc. there was a lot of room for people to solo and intercept people on their way to chokepoints. in NF you can port to crau, move 5 secs to the bridge, and there you are, with the safety of millions of other people, happy camping for your 1k rp/hr with extremely little to no challenge whatsoever.

 

[Arumos]

its good to hear that you can seperate real world from the game
But the above quote here also made me realise that you might have a deeper involvment then some poeple that plays it have. As you say some people had thos nice close encounters and happely relive them....but since they dont take the game so seriously maybe they dont feel as they are fucking up or making a grief for someone else when they after logg their caster and kills a soloer, basicly cause they dont feel so much frustration when it happends to them. And i think that is one of the keys to all the whine as i said before. People are so addicted to the game that they actually feel almost hostility when they get killed. And thats were it allready crossed the line...its like football hooligans that gets to blow over football^^ the casual play that still have as much fun while soloing or whatever just doesnt feel that anger cause they are not as involved^^
So from your point of view they are fucking up for someone.....but....from his point of view its just a game and thinks you should get over it after a few secs. see what i mean.?
And imo they have the more sane view of it...cause they never abuse someone over it. Im totally neutral in all this. i solo most of the time on sol, and love it. But whats making me debate it and finding me more on the adders side though i dont really agree at all times to the way the play, is that they most of the time have a less extreme view of the game...and dont abuse people the way the other side have.
Anyhow, i know you seem to have a bit more relaxed view of game.
And indeed its a forum about daoc ad not rl..but you and all others know that some words/abuse go a bit further then that^^ And thats when it has nothing to do with the game anymore
Bottom line...have fun(rant over).
over and out..

well said

 

[toxii]

Downtime and 4yrs of forum whine seem to have politised the whole issue into a grudgefest and given it a life of it's own.

No idea if these other games have the same lvl of forum aggro.

this post prolly explains it all tbh

Did u even play OF? it was a 100% zerg fest every1 and there dog added, all the elajt FGs added all soloers added. Today i find i get added on alot less then i used to ofc there are still alot of addedrs but not as many as b4

that sounds lot different than prydwen rvr in of at least, not saying there was nothing like it, but there use to be less adding at least :x

this game needs so much more playing, and alot less political whine/bs.

class !

have to also remember that daoc players regardless of the realm form a kind of community, your enemies are real people behind fictional characters... by letting them have fair fights where they have chance to win makes game more fun for them. and having population in a certain rvr zone more balanced between realms results in better rvr for everyone.

class !

after all we <3 you all, ok maybe not jjurra but all the rest ... !!1

game isnt fun without all this you see