abuse of iraqi prisoners

[Karam_Gruul]

just wondering what peoples views on this crap are? im getting fed up with all these idiots complaining about us violating they're human rights, bollocks, they dont have human rights, they're basically terrorists. most of them arent even iraqi army, they're literally just people out there to kill us for a laugh. they aint human.

also, wtf is so bad about making them strip naked and laughing at them? sure it might be kinda embarrasing at the time, but its prolly a lil better than being raped up the arse by some hairy iraqi then having your hand chopped off. all these lefties and women going on about how disgusting it all is dont seem to understand the way they treat they're prisoners, even just journalists etc, which are people that havnt done anything wrong. would you catch us capturing an iraqi journalist and torturing him?!

a friend of mine is out in iraq at the moment, and was telling me the other day how much it disgusts him when he hears news like this. he personally hates the country, and hates every single person in it, he reckons they're among the most disgusting brutal barbaric people he's ever seen. APPPARENTLY he pulled up behind some pickup truck thing with an iraqi in it the other day, and this little guy got outta his car, ran to the side of the road, took a massive dump on the side, didnt wipe his arse, pulled up his trousers and carried on :| i mean seriously, what kind of person does that?

oh.. and anyway, i've got a proper, proper funny video of my friend and his squaddy mates ripping the piss outta a bunch of iraqi kids, absolutely classic, if the papers got they're hands on this.... jeeeesus christ there'd be such an uproar rofl.

and when people say, "these people shouldnt even be prisoners in the first place".... i actually agree, just shoot them when we see um

 

[Ormorof]

they dont have human rights

did you ever consider mistakes might have been made?

also neither you or your friend sound like very pleasant people, different people have different customs, one of the reasons iraq is so "barbaric" is because its been ripped off, plundered etc etc by the "western civilized society" again and again for the last like 1000 years

taking the piss out of kids..... thats kinda sad isnt it? i mean, does it make him feel big? strong? taking the piss out of some kid who probably doesnt even understand what he's saying?

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

a friend of mine is out in iraq at the moment, and was telling me the other day how much it disgusts him when he hears news like this. he personally hates the country, and hates every single person in it, he reckons they're among the most disgusting brutal barbaric people he's ever seen.

...and there lies the problem.

 

[Lord Flasheart]

hmm...ur friend is a dick and ur a dick. not much else left to say about ur post.

 

[Vladamir]

If you ask me its fucking sick. Yes they've been taken prisoner for a reason, but it's against human rights not to mention incredibly unethical to do such a thing. Try to empathise here, your friend's in iraq. Say he's captured, how would you feel if pictures were released showing him piled up upon other naked soldiers, or put on top of a box with a bag over his head, being told if he falls off the box he'll be electrocuted. I don't think you're going to say, "Oh its ok, he deserves it for fighting for his country and getting caught".

Thats my 2 cents, regardless of what they've done, they don't deserve such humiliation and grossly unethical treatment. American soldiers are doing near enough the same thing as the Iraqi soldiers are, remember that.

 

[Karam_Gruul]

did you ever consider mistakes might have been made?

also neither you or your friend sound like very pleasant people, different people have different customs, one of the reasons iraq is so "barbaric" is because its been ripped off, plundered etc etc by the "western civilized society" again and again for the last like 1000 years

taking the piss out of kids..... thats kinda sad isnt it? i mean, does it make him feel big? strong? taking the piss out of some kid who probably doesnt even understand what he's saying?

taking the piss out of children that dont understand what your saying is the height of good humour imho. i nearly cried watching this video, i cant repeat some of the stuff that was said cos some of the lefties on here might call it racist, but it was hillarious.

and, just because you live in a hot country does not mean you have to shit on the side of a road and not whipe your arse. its not a custom to be a grubby bastard, and its not a custom to be as violant and barbaric as these people can be.

i'd rather listen to what my friend has to say, because he actually has first hand experience of what it IS like there. all you lefty bastards listening to the guardian or whatever, that wanna ignore the fact of what its actually like, and blaim it on other countries for them being that way, your all twats. i know its the 'in' thing to be a lefty and generally fuck the system and all that shit, but seriously, i'd just love to see you lefties stuck out in iraq for 6 months, then come back and still have the same compassion for your fellow 'humans'. rofl.

 

[Karam_Gruul]

If you ask me its fucking sick. Yes they've been taken prisoner for a reason, but it's against human rights not to mention incredibly unethical to do such a thing. Try to empathise here, your friend's in iraq. Say he's captured, how would you feel if pictures were released showing him piled up upon other naked soldiers, or put on top of a box with a bag over his head, being told if he falls off the box he'll be electrocuted. I don't think you're going to say, "Oh its ok, he deserves it for fighting for his country and getting caught".

Thats my 2 cents, regardless of what they've done, they don't deserve such humiliation and grossly unethical treatment. American soldiers are doing near enough the same thing as the Iraqi soldiers are, remember that.

well for starters i'd probably go, well thank fuck they're not doing anything bad to him. then, i'd probably rip the piss out of him with all my friends about him being gay. then i'd probably tell him, you know they USUALLY have gay sex with you and cut your hands off, you got off light mate.

your talking crap.

/edit, i just read the very last bit of your post, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE?! dear god.... so mislead rofl. ok, firstly, no, the american soldiers arent acting the way these animals do. american soldiers arent capturing innocent people and threatening the country from where they came to execute them all unless they're demands are met.

sure, the americans may be a lil unproffesional SOMETIMES, but thats with any army, its impossible not to have it, simply because hte kind of people that would join the army are normally the kind of person that enjoys doing silly stuff. however, america does have organisation, humanity, and are far less barbaric than these fucks. did you see those american soldiers hanging from a bridge, dead? would you see iraqi prisoners doing that if the americans found them?

 

[Lord Flasheart]

seriously, it is people like you that are the problem in the world. ur totally intolerant of other peoples' customs and religions and then you wonder why they strap bombs to themselves and blow you to fuck. idiot.

 

[Ormorof]

taking the piss out of children that dont understand what your saying is the height of good humour imho. i nearly cried watching this video, i cant repeat some of the stuff that was said cos some of the lefties on here might call it racist, but it was hillarious.

and, just because you live in a hot country does not mean you have to shit on the side of a road and not whipe your arse. its not a custom to be a grubby bastard, and its not a custom to be as violant and barbaric as these people can be.

i'd rather listen to what my friend has to say, because he actually has first hand experience of what it IS like there. all you lefty bastards listening to the guardian or whatever, that wanna ignore the fact of what its actually like, and blaim it on other countries for them being that way, your all twats. i know its the 'in' thing to be a lefty and generally fuck the system and all that shit, but seriously, i'd just love to see you lefties stuck out in iraq for 6 months, then come back and still have the same compassion for your fellow 'humans'. rofl.

NOTHING gives anyone the right to torture people, NOTHING.

you call the iraqi's barbaric? and the stuff being done to those iraqi's isnt???

 

[Karam_Gruul]

NOTHING gives anyone the right to torture people, NOTHING.

you call the iraqi's barbaric? and the stuff being done to those iraqi's isnt???

if someone raped someone, i'd say that gives me the right to torture them. if they murder someone, i'd say it does, if they shop lift, i'd say it does.

what would you have done to people that do wrong? rehabilitation? thought so.

and thats why this country is in such an aweful, aweful state right now, because of people like YOU

and no, the stuff being to the prisoners isnt barbaric. its a bit of fun, i fail to see how being naked is torture. jesus christ, most british squaddies are naked 98% of the time, with they're friends, comparing the size of they're penises... they'd probably love that kinda 'torture', would be a right laugh.

 

[Ormorof]

if someone raped someone, i'd say that gives me the right to torture them. if they murder someone, i'd say it does, if they shop lift, i'd say it does.

what would you have done to people that do wrong? rehabilitation? thought so.

and thats why this country is in such an aweful, aweful state right now, because of people like YOU

its people like YOU and your friend who enjoy making other people miserable that make this country a shitty place (i assume you are from UK? )

because i feel sickened over what people enjoy doing to others im putting the country in a awful state?

because i dont enjoy hurting people, making fun of people im making the country a worse place? because i enjoy helping people?

 

[Ormorof]

on a side note being told i make the country into an awful state is nothing new to me being a foreigner in UK tbh

 

[Karam_Gruul]

on a side note being told i make the country into an awful state is nothing new to me being a foreigner in UK tbh

rofl, and i wonder why your views are the way they are?

 

[Ormorof]

rofl, and i wonder why your views are the way they are?

because i think things through?

because of the way i was brought up? who knows?

but to be honest views like yours make me sick

 

[Dillinja]

seriously, it is people like you that are the problem in the world. ur totally intolerant of other peoples' customs and religions and then you wonder why they strap bombs to themselves and blow you to fuck. idiot.

What?... Who is 'you'? Most people being blown up by these suicide bombers are people who have nothing against Muslims at all. Muslims have this thing about the western world - I won't go into it because I don't know much about it, but for some reason they think that we are their enemy and that we must be destroyed. Hence 9/11, thousands of innocent people, many of them probably never saying a bad word about a Muslim in their whole lives, being blown up by Muslim terrorists just because they come from the west. I'm not saying all Muslims are like this, but I reckon a fair few of them are especially after all this stuff about Iraq has come out.

 

[Ormorof]

What?... Who is 'you'? Most people being blown up by these suicide bombers are people who have nothing against Muslims at all. Muslims have this thing about the western world

you can hardly blame them for not liking america when they blow the crap out of a mosque with attack helicopters

you are also kinda over-generalising here arent you? SOME muslims are extremists, most are just normal people trying to get on with their lives

and about the

rofl, and i wonder why your views are the way they are?

comment, well i know alot of people who think like i do from the UK, who think this kinda thing is pretty sick, i honestly cant understand how you ended up with an attitude like that karam, everyone has extremists, hell even christianity has extremists (look at northern ireland for example) that doesnt mean everyone is extremists and deserves no human rights does it?

put yourself in their shoes, your country has been invaded because your leader supposedly had "weapons of mass destruction" these arent found, the people are just as oppresed as they were with saddam, these pictures of torture just show them not much has changed except now theyve got idiots who dont know the locals in charge and so they can get away with more

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

I hate all those Christians and their IRA, they have this thing against us all, bloody christians.

I'm not saying all Christians are like this, but I reckon a fair few of them are especially after all this stuff about Ireland has come out.



Uncivilised? - Mostly yes, the poor are incredibly poor, they live in utter povety. I think we can excuse them for not knowing which fork to use to eat their appetiser with.

Degrading Torture fun? - Erm... yeeahh...

 

[Jupitus]

Please don't feed the trolls. Karam: Behave!

 

[tris-]

this was up earlier

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/

it showed every picture out there, and its ermm horrible

and now its 'down' hmm

 

[cHodAX]

U.S. administration has publically admitted that over 70% of the people they have held in that prison were innocent and released after an average period of 2 months. You have made a very silly post karam, the law does not permit the prolonged detention of innocent people who have NOT even been charged with a crime. The U.S. is making more problems for itself by commiting human rights abuses, they are even still holding onto prisoners of war a full year after the war ended and they haven't charged them with a thing which is against the Geneva conventions. Please think before you post, if we treat them like criminals and terrorists then you can only expect a backlash. These heavy handed methods only further endanger our own people and alienate the Iraqi's.

 

[Harthai]

This is by far the sickest thing ive ever heard of.What makes you think you have the right to jugde people .You dont have the right ,afterall where all human and have no superiority over the other.If we did you could command any person to jump of a cliff and they would do it without hesitation.

To actually think that abusing a human being will make things ok is totally absurd.You believe Iraq is the problem ?NO! Its you,and your twisted sense of morale.Your lack of maturity is outstanding,have you even considered the pain you would feel if you were in theyre place.Hate will condemn you and so will probably everyone here whos read this.

Are you jewish? I ask this because I'm aware of the long standing rivalry between muslims and jews.I'm a muslim and would never EVER wish harm to anyone.Whatever religion or race you belong to you have no reason ,whatever it may be to wish such inhuman acts.

 

[tris-]

also what im about to say is not directly about the topic, its generaly. anyone who is found guilty of a serious crime, i then believe they should have no rights. i do not believe, however, that innocent people should be kept in prison for months and humiliated/tortured/other gross shit.

i just want to make it clear -i am not agreeing with what the soldiers are doing.

I hate all those Christians and their IRA, they have this thing against us all, bloody christians.

I'm not saying all Christians are like this, but I reckon a fair few of them are especially after all this stuff about Ireland has come out.

imo christianity is dangerous, and before someone goes off in a rage thats all im saying on the subject

oh 1 more edit america just recently (today or something) passed a law that alows mental torture on prisoners but their must be a doctor there at all times. NO PHYSICAL HARM is allowed to be used against them. examples of what they can do -

make them stand up for hours
make them live in light 24/7
play sounds 24/7
if the prisoner is on their own, they can make them stay naked. but NOT if their is more than 1 prisoner in a cell.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2004/05/10/2003154855

must also add this law only counts for camp xray

 

[mts]

abuse and torture of prisoners (of war) is not very new to warfare. it's been happening since achilles started burning them for fun. however, with all the technology these days, like the american soldiers in iraqi with 24/7 internet access and digital cameras this kind of exposure was just something waiting to happen.

and now people start acting like it's never happened before.. sheesh.

it's bad, yes. but new? no.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Are you jewish? I ask this because I'm aware of the long standing rivalry between muslims and jews.I'm a muslim and would never EVER wish harm to anyone.Whatever religion or race you belong to you have no reason ,whatever it may be to wish such inhuman acts.

You say you'd never ever wish harm to anyone, still asking the question: are you jewish really makes you seem abit hostile. You think everybody thinking like this are jews or what? I know rather alot jews, and not one of them has anything against muslims. Was there really a reason to say that, or did you just say it to point out, if you're jewish I don't have any tolerance for you.

 

[mts]

oh and that legal 'mental torture' like being forced to stand upstraight with a bag over your head and not being allowed to speak for hours ain't that bad. we went through that in basic infantry training when i was in the army (norwegian infantry).

 

[Ormorof]

You say you'd never ever wish harm to anyone, still asking the question: are you jewish really makes you seem abit hostile. You think everybody thinking like this are jews or what? I know rather alot jews, and not one of them has anything against muslims. Was there really a reason to say that, or did you just say it to point out, if you're jewish I don't have any tolerance for you.

i think he was wondering why he had such a negative attitude towards muslims

 

[mts]

abuse and torture of prisoners (of war) is not very new to warfare. it's been happening since achilles started burning them for fun. however, with all the technology these days, like the american soldiers in iraqi with 24/7 internet access and digital cameras this kind of exposure was just something waiting to happen.

and now people start acting like it's never happened before.. sheesh.

it's bad, yes. but new? no.

heh, i have to add something that i forgot.

after these 'incidents' halliburton has cut off the internet access for all the troops in iraq. big brother is watching

 

[Karam_Gruul]

but.... the people that were being 'tortured', even tho it so so isnt torture, but these people were in a military intelligence prison!!!!!! they were being interrogated!!!!!! you dont honestly beleive that theres no violance involved in interrogation? thats the entire point of it, beat the living daylights outta people until they tell the truth!

i mean, doesnt anyone wonder why theres been NOTHING said about saddam since his capture? no pictures, no news stories, nothing? he's most probably being kept in a jar somewhere after being scraped off some soldiers boot.

who gives a crap anyway, at the end of the day, its war, violance is funny, and i enjoy seeing people being tortured

 

[BlitheringIdiot]

It's not new but that doesnt make it any more acceptable. You cant start a war against a country claiming that its just and the lesser of two evils, and that you're liberating the innocent people of iraq, then be seen doing this.

When you went to basic training in the infantry, you knew you were perfectly safe, I cant (and frankly wont) comment on how easy/hard it would be to endure the torture that they have endured, I've avoided reading about it actually. Comparing a training exercise to being a prisoner of war with people who actually hate you (to the point at which they are risking their own lives to kill people like you) is hardly fair.

It annoys me how karams retarded threads always end in an actual discussion!

 

[Ala]

hmm...ur friend is a dick and ur a dick. not much else left to say about ur post.

Agree. STFU Karam you're wasting air meant for people who actually contribute to the world.